lowiq wrote: vb they have been played in atlanta and dallas because those cities are in college football hotbeds...

the first week of the season have alabama play ohio state in chicago.

How about having Alabama (or whoever) play Ohio State in Columbus?

NO reason a B10-SEC game couldn't be played in Chicago? One reason might be they could play in Madison, or Columbus, or Ann Arbor, or Lincoln, or wherever.

OSUVB wrote:

lowiq wrote: vb they have been played in atlanta and dallas because those cities are in college football hotbeds...

the first week of the season have alabama play ohio state in chicago.

How about having Alabama (or whoever) play Ohio State in Columbus?

NO reason a B10-SEC game couldn't be played in Chicago? One reason might be they could play in Madison, or Columbus, or Ann Arbor, or Lincoln, or wherever.

Alabama would have to be invited.  Now has the invite been extended? 

TideFaninFl wrote:  It is funny, the SEC toughens it schedule to the extent that alot of SEC schools have the toughest schedule in the country...

The SEC "toughened" its schedule arguably by having more teams in its own conference higher in the polls, not by actually traveling that much. To repeat myself...

BigMen wrote: Actually, there has been rumor of Alabama playing Wisconsin in Chicago, but I'm sure that won't be good enough for some here.

We'll see if this "rumor" comes to pass. That'd be nice, but a game in Madison would be better.

vb i know for certain that a few years ago uga tried to set up a home and home with notre dame, michigan and penn state. none were accepted.

we got one worked out with ohio state but then the buckeyes cancelled and ended up scheduling boston college  instead.

there is only so much we can do.

not blameing anybody or complaining about it, just pointing out that we TRIED.

BigMen wrote: In the very recent past, Alabama had a home and home series cancelled by ND, followed by an agreement to reschedule, followed by an ND, no thanks. Va Tech next year in Atlanta and then WV in Atlanta and then Wisconsin in Dallas since USC declined that game. Georgia Tech cancelled a home and home series. We have played a highly rated Clemson in Atlanta and a highly rated Va Tech in Atlanta. We will be playing Michigan State in Michigan. We just played PSU in Pennsylvania. Michigan in Dallas. We have recently played FSU in Jacksonville which certainly isn't a home game for us. We just played Georgia in an extra SEC game in Atlanta, a game in which you guys have never played.  I'm sorry all this isn't good enough for you but I don't think we could do anything to please you. Oh, and we are about to play Notre Dame in Miami for all the marbles-again. I think we are doing things just fine thanks.

So, you actually played one game in the North, against PSU, a team with which Bama has a long relationship (nothing wrong with that).

Don't give me this "couldn't do anything to please you" silliness. The SEC has long had a reputation for not traveling much outside the South - and it still does. The media has mocked the SEC for it for years - and still does (note that the story I just reposted came from the Birgmingham News). Don't pretend it's just one fanbase or anything like that.

BigMen wrote: College football will have to drag your conference into the 21st century. It's your conference that has thwarted the playoff. Your conference will oppose the 8 team playoff.

I've never supported the B1G's opposition to a playoff - but Slive has supported it, I'm sure, because he believes it's in the SEC's best interest as well (and he didn't think it was, he might easily change his position).

All of the commissioners are just looking out for what they believe to be their conference's best interest, as they should (even if, IMHO, they aren't doing the right thing).

OSUVB wrote:

BigMen wrote: In the very recent past, Alabama had a home and home series cancelled by ND, followed by an agreement to reschedule, followed by an ND, no thanks. Va Tech next year in Atlanta and then WV in Atlanta and then Wisconsin in Dallas since USC declined that game. Georgia Tech cancelled a home and home series. We have played a highly rated Clemson in Atlanta and a highly rated Va Tech in Atlanta. We will be playing Michigan State in Michigan. We just played PSU in Pennsylvania. Michigan in Dallas. We have recently played FSU in Jacksonville which certainly isn't a home game for us. We just played Georgia in an extra SEC game in Atlanta, a game in which you guys have never played.  I'm sorry all this isn't good enough for you but I don't think we could do anything to please you. Oh, and we are about to play Notre Dame in Miami for all the marbles-again. I think we are doing things just fine thanks.

So, you actually played one game in the North, against PSU, a team with which Bama has a long relationship (nothing wrong with that).

Don't give me this "couldn't do anything to please you" silliness. The SEC has long had a reputation for not traveling much outside the South - and it still does. The media has mocked the SEC for it for years - and still does (note that the story I just reposted came from the Birgmingham News). Don't pretend it's just one fanbase or anything like that.

It's not that you don't have ANY point, it's just that what tiny bit of a point you have is moronic, just like the "if you played us when it was cold, you would lose" thing. That is the #1 most idiotic line of discussion, and yours is #2.

TideFaninFl wrote:

OSUVB wrote: How about having Alabama (or whoever) play Ohio State in Columbus?

NO reason a B10-SEC game couldn't be played in Chicago? One reason might be they could play in Madison, or Columbus, or Ann Arbor, or Lincoln, or wherever.

Alabama would have to be invited.  Now has the invite been extended? 

Now that's a legitimate question, and I don't know the answer. One poster here I believe said OSU wanted an H&H, but Bama wanted a "neutral site" game instead, which OSU didn't.

Of course, it works both ways - Bama could offer an H&H with OSU.

Bama fans may have to google to find out what Chicago is, or where it is.
Tide fans would roll in by train, old cars and trucks, and old busses into Chicago, like the Green Acres crew rolling into a big city.  Hooterville transplanted in Chicago for a weekend.
That might be priceless to see these southern hicks, minus teeth, jobs, insurance and other things so typical to most parts of the country, wallowing around Michigan Avenue and the Chicago area in bibs and cover alls amongst the Windy City regulars.
Watching old fat Tide fans in coverall's and pants with holes, yelling Roll Tide through missing teeth on Michigan Avenue might be worth the price of a trip to see Green Acres and Hooterville roll into Chicago for a weekend.
Sort of like stepping back 40 years backwards into a time machine.

OSUVB wrote:

BigMen wrote: Actually, there has been rumor of Alabama playing Wisconsin in Chicago, but I'm sure that won't be good enough for some here.

We'll see if this "rumor" comes to pass. That'd be nice, but a game in Madison would be better.

lowiq wrote: vb i know for certain that a few years ago uga tried to set up a home and home with notre dame, michigan and penn state. none were accepted.

we got one worked out with ohio state but then the buckeyes cancelled and ended up scheduling boston college  instead.

there is only so much we can do.

not blameing anybody or complaining about it, just pointing out that we TRIED.

Well, you know why OSU cancelled with UGA, because of that "Pac12 Challenge," which thankfully has gone away.

As I've said, I don't know why OSU picked up BC instead of going back w/ UGA again. I could make a guess (it might have to do with the B1G expansion), but it'd just be a guess.

And I'm sure UGA has tried - but my recommendation would be to keep trying. Major OOC H&Hs can take time to set up in some cases. Where there's a will...

OSUVB wrote:

TideFaninFl wrote:  It is funny, the SEC toughens it schedule to the extent that alot of SEC schools have the toughest schedule in the country...

The SEC "toughened" its schedule arguably by having more teams in its own conference higher in the polls, not by actually traveling that much. To repeat myself...

SEC should avoid opening football season with road games

Birmingham News/Wednesday, September 03, 2008

Tennessee became Exhibit A Monday night. By embarrassingly losing in Los Angeles to UCLA and its string of reserves one year after getting trounced at Cal, Tennessee represents the latest excuse for the SEC to avoid testing itself on the road.

Why fly 2,200 miles to lose when you can pay several hundred thousand dollars for a win - and collect millions in gate revenue - at your place?

The SEC has gotten better in scheduling. Besides UT at UCLA, this year also brings Arkansas at Texas, Georgia at Arizona State, Auburn at West Virginia and Florida at Florida State.

But it shouldn't be pulling teeth to play these games. Not when you're typically the best conference in the country - and never miss a chance to say so. Not when you've got more than a billion dollars tied up in unprecedented exposure on CBS and ESPN.

The inconvenient truth about conference supremacy is that it runs in cycles. Games that dominant SEC teams don't want to play today could be ones they need in the future for credibility and national championship hopes.

MapGameDay.com put together a fascinating study of non-conference games by charting the number of miles each conference traveled between 1998 and 2007. The SEC finished dead last among the 11 Division I-A conferences, at 42,141 miles.

Among BCS conferences, the Pac-10 traveled the farthest (152,802 miles), followed by the Big Ten (107,881), Big 12 (73,183), Big East (69,777) and ACC (60,865). The SEC had seven of the bottom eight teams in mileage traveled.

Georgia has traveled 358 miles in a decade - the equivalent of a day trip from Birmingham to Nashville. Kentucky, Florida, South Carolina, Arkansas, Mississippi and Auburn have nothing to be proud of, either.

The SEC isn't simply staying in the Southeast for road games. No conference played fewer nonconference games away from home in the past decade than the SEC.

Auburn was the worst in the country with only three of its 34 nonconference games on the road. Alabama had just four, joining Arkansas, LSU, Florida, Georgia and Tennessee in the bottom top 12, according to a study by The NationalChampionshipIssue.blogspot.com.

Besides losing a payday, leaving home means this harsh reality for the SEC: It's pretty mediocre on the road. Since 1998, the SEC is 40-39 in nonconference road games. That mark drops to 24-31 at schools from BCS conferences.

The Pac-10, which SEC fans conveniently shoo aside, is now 10-6 this decade against the SEC. Whereas the SEC is 1-6 at Pac-10 schools, the Pac-10 has gone 4-5 at SEC stadiums.

The SEC takes its most important 2008 road trip on Sept. 20, when Georgia travels to Arizona State for its first trip west of the Mississippi since 1964. That traces back to Uga I, if you're counting in dawg years.

Yes, a loss in Tempe could doom Georgia's national championship hopes. But the opposite is also true. Georgia may eventually need an impressive nonconference win for its resume.

Whether it cares to admit this or not, the SEC might one day need the rest of the country, too

http://www.al.com/sports/birminghamnews/index.ssf? /base/sports/1220429779325250.xml&coll=2

Notice the date, 2008..... things have changed.... Alabama started scheduling neutral site games, and got "Big Boy" OOC games back on track (after ND and PSU backed out in 2003-2005)


as I have posted form 2000 to about 2005, the SEC had 4 years where it's SOS was 4th or lower, since 2006 the SEC has been 1st or 2nd

DeepSthBoy wrote: It's not that you don't have ANY point, it's just that what tiny bit of a point you have is moronic, just like the "if you played us when it was cold, you would lose" thing. That is the #1 most idiotic line of discussion, and yours is #2.

Darn.

TideFaninFl wrote: Notice the date, 2008..... things have changed.... Alabama started scheduling neutral site games, and got "Big Boy" OOC games back on track (after ND and PSU backed out in 2003-2005)


as I have posted form 2000 to about 2005, the SEC had 4 years where it's SOS was 4th or lower, since 2006 the SEC has been 1st or 2nd

I do notice the date- I have pointed it out myself. But Bama has only played one OOC road game against a major power since then, at PSU, and that was certainly scheduled before his story came out.

Also, yet again, you keep saying PSU backed out of the 2004 series, but others have long said Bama backed out.

As for SoS, A) that's subjective, and, yet again, B) highly likely simply due to the rise of SEC teams in the polls, and not from travel.

OSUVB wrote:

TideFaninFl wrote: Notice the date, 2008..... things have changed.... Alabama started scheduling neutral site games, and got "Big Boy" OOC games back on track (after ND and PSU backed out in 2003-2005)


as I have posted form 2000 to about 2005, the SEC had 4 years where it's SOS was 4th or lower, since 2006 the SEC has been 1st or 2nd

I do notice the date- I have pointed it out myself. But Bama has only played one OOC road game against a major power since then, at PSU, and that was certainly scheduled before his story came out.

Also, yet again, you keep saying PSU backed out of the 2004 series, but others have long said Bama backed out.

As for SoS, A) that's subjective, and, yet again, B) highly likely simply due to the rise of SEC teams in the polls, and not from travel.

So now a neutral site game isn't a road game? Wow. Just when I thought it was impossible for you to get any denser.

DeepSthBoy wrote:

OSUVB wrote: ... But Bama has only played one OOC road game against a major power since then, at PSU, and that was certainly scheduled before his story came out...

So now a neutral site game isn't a road game? Wow. Just when I thought it was impossible for you to get any denser.

As I have said repeatedly, the issue is road games on an opponent's home field. Sorry I failed to write those "home field" words in that particular post.

OSUVB wrote:

lowiq wrote: vb they have been played in atlanta and dallas because those cities are in college football hotbeds...

the first week of the season have alabama play ohio state in chicago.

How about having Alabama (or whoever) play Ohio State in Columbus?

NO reason a B10-SEC game couldn't be played in Chicago? One reason might be they could play in Madison, or Columbus, or Ann Arbor, or Lincoln, or wherever.

We have been to Lincolon but never incited to Columbus. Why don't you get us an invitation. Would love to come and I would like our chances. We play very well on the road in big games in front of hostile crowds.

It's really a hard concept to grasp for someone as challenged as yourself.

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OSUVB wrote:

TideFaninFl wrote: Notice the date, 2008..... things have changed.... Alabama started scheduling neutral site games, and got "Big Boy" OOC games back on track (after ND and PSU backed out in 2003-2005)


as I have posted form 2000 to about 2005, the SEC had 4 years where it's SOS was 4th or lower, since 2006 the SEC has been 1st or 2nd

I do notice the date- I have pointed it out myself. But Bama has only played one OOC road game against a major power since then, at PSU, and that was certainly scheduled before his story came out.

Also, yet again, you keep saying PSU backed out of the 2004 series, but others have long said Bama backed out.

As for SoS, A) that's subjective, and, yet again, B) highly likely simply due to the rise of SEC teams in the polls, and not from travel.

So now a neutral site game isn't a road game? Wow. Just when I thought it was impossible for you to get any denser.

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brutus79 wrote: Bama fans may have to google to find out what Chicago is, or where it is.
Tide fans would roll in by train, old cars and trucks, and old busses into Chicago, like the Green Acres crew rolling into a big city.  Hooterville transplanted in Chicago for a weekend.
That might be priceless to see these southern hicks, minus teeth, jobs, insurance and other things so typical to most parts of the country, wallowing around Michigan Avenue and the Chicago area in bibs and cover alls amongst the Windy City regulars.
Watching old fat Tide fans in coverall's and pants with holes, yelling Roll Tide through missing teeth on Michigan Avenue might be worth the price of a trip to see Green Acres and Hooterville roll into Chicago for a weekend.
Sort of like stepping back 40 years backwards into a time machine.

OSUVB wrote:

BigMen wrote: Actually, there has been rumor of Alabama playing Wisconsin in Chicago, but I'm sure that won't be good enough for some here.

We'll see if this "rumor" comes to pass. That'd be nice, but a game in Madison would be better.

Grow up would you please.

Your ignorance really is mind boggling.

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OSUVB wrote:

DeepSthBoy wrote: Where was that 1986 Kickoff Classic game played? Hmmm. I wonder if it would be possible to look this up somewhere?

Hmmm... one whole game (2 if you count OSU vs Miami in 1999).

So that's two games acrosss a period of 13 years as opposed to year after year after year after year in the South for Bama. Yep, real comparable.

You are just being colossally obtuse. Your argument for why Bama's games against Va Tech, Clemson, and Michigan are no big deal is that they are played in the South? In September? Are your effing KIDDING? 

You are hellbent on trying to find SOME way, somehow, to rate Ohio State's program higher than the undeniably dynastic Bama team. You are flailing. Miserably.

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