NiTrane wrote: Global warming?

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AceTommyBoy wrote: No one is saying that Indiana, Purdue, or Minnesota should land these elite players.

But why can't Wisconsin, Michigan State, or Nebraska? Is Ole Miss really a better program than those schools? Are those Big Ten schools even attempting to recruit these elite players?

Wisky,MSU, and Nebraska have all had far better programs over the last 10 years, not to mention the 90s for Nebraska-than Arkansas,OleMiss, and Misssissippi State. The Mississippi schools don't get many top recruits from outside the state but get enough JUCOs and in-state guys to remain competetive, if not serious title contenders.
Bama,LSU,Florida, and Georgia dominate recruiting in the South and have enough national pull to get kids from outside the region also. MSU,Wisky, and Nebraska don't have the local recruiting pools like the aforementioned SEC schools. And yes, B-10 schools trying to recruit Mississippi is a waste of time. Bama and LSU have to work like the dickens to pull kids out of that state.

Is it true that Big Ten football players are expected to ATTEND CLASS and are not given good grades for just signing up?

If so, there in lies the problem.

cincydawg4 wrote: Is it true that Big Ten football players are expected to ATTEND CLASS

Not according to Maurice Clarett or Charles Woodson.

34011 wrote:

stxbuck wrote:

Haha-trick title-they can't.
Seriously, for all the whining about how B-10 teams stink, etc,etc-how does anyone on here reasonably expect Purdue,MSU,Illinois,Wisky,Iowa,etc. to seriously go into Georgia,Louisiana,Alabama, and Florida and steal elite recruits away from SEC schools.......

Well that is pretty easy, fry some chicken, cut up some watermelon, and learn how to fix sweet tea, and you will be off to a fast strat.... Oh yea, get a bunch of freshly tanned chic's who workout on a stair climber for about a hour a day, to lead them on and off campus...

This post is useless without pictures.

just a little short term look to see what the 3 main great lakes states teams are doing--

in the current recruiting cycle michigan is going heavily after big ten state players. they have 24 commits and 20 are from current big ten states.

last year they signed  25 kids and 19 were from big ten states.

the year before they signed 19 and 14 were from big ten states.

its pretty clear hoke is going to try and build his program around big ten state kids--mainly michigan and ohio.

in the current cycle notre dame has 21 commits and only 9 are from big ten states.

last year they signed 17 and only 5 were from big ten states.

the year before they signed 23 and only 9 were from big ten states.

out of the 61 players only 23 are from big ten states. its pretty clear kelly prefers out of area players.

ohio state is harder to gauge because of the coaching change.

right now they have 19 commits and 10 are from in big ten states. they are waiting on 2 players from georgia, one from texas and one from kentucky that im sure of.

last year with the coaching change they signed 25 and 19 were from the big ten.

the year before they signed 23 and 17 were from the big ten.

will need another year or two to get a good read on meyer since this years class should end up close to 50-50.

its clear kelly is targeting kids from out of the area, hoke is targeting kids in the big ten area and meyer LOOKS to be split.

if notre dame and ohio state target a lot of out of area kids that will be good news for michigan and nebraska. maybe to a lesser extent michigan st, wisconsin and the other big ten schools.

cincydawg4 wrote: Is it true that Big Ten football players are expected to ATTEND CLASS and are not given good grades for just signing up?

If so, there in lies the problem.

This probably isn't as far from the truth as we might think.  Much more scrutiny in the BIG.

osurox wrote:

34011 wrote:

stxbuck wrote:

Haha-trick title-they can't.
Seriously, for all the whining about how B-10 teams stink, etc,etc-how does anyone on here reasonably expect Purdue,MSU,Illinois,Wisky,Iowa,etc. to seriously go into Georgia,Louisiana,Alabama, and Florida and steal elite recruits away from SEC schools.......

Well that is pretty easy, fry some chicken, cut up some watermelon, and learn how to fix sweet tea, and you will be off to a fast strat.... Oh yea, get a bunch of freshly tanned chic's who workout on a stair climber for about a hour a day, to lead them on and off campus...

This post is useless without pictures.

I tried to take photos of them with my Iphone it melted in the process, they were so hot... Them girls don't sweat, they glessen... Plus, those girls are kept off the radar...

CLTBUCKEYE wrote:

Yep.  SECheat pays both the coaches and the players much more.

Iowig that was some really good stuff. I was also listening on xm today and they said per capita Louisiana produces the most NFL football players. Really amazing stuff but football is king in the south and these high schools. I agree completely though the money being spetn on facilities and coaches I just don't know how the rest of the big 10 comes back in that arms race. I know tosu can compete but I have been saying for years tosu cant be the only power in the conference or eventually and I think we are there it is just laughable as a conference. If we run through undefeated next year and get crushed by an SEC power in title game again watch the following year for the playoff. The backlash will be 1 loss no way undefeated again there will be an agruement against tosu participating in 4 team playoff.

Power will shift back to the BIG sooner or later. We will be a power conference and then fall off again for a few years.  It's like a never ending cycle.  This SEC thing won't last forever.....have faith brothers.

Power will shift back to the BIG sooner or later. We will be a power conference and then fall off again for a few years.  It's like a never ending cycle.  This SEC thing won't last forever.....have faith brothers.

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--- stxbuck wrote:

Haha-trick title-they can't.
Seriously, for all the whining about how B-10 teams stink, etc,etc-how does anyone on here reasonably expect Purdue,MSU,Illinois,Wisky,Iowa,etc. to seriously go into Georgia,Louisiana,Alabama, and Florida and steal elite recruits away from SEC schools.......



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It is tough, SEC pays well. SEC=Ridin' Dirty

Some random thoughts:

This year, Ohio State has recruited Joey Bosa, Johnny Townsend, J.T. Barrett, Michael Hill, and Ezekiel Elliott from states that are represented by SEC schools.

I'm still curious as to what happened with Tim Kimbrough... supposedly, he was very interested in Ohio State, but we never offered - peculiar, given that we certainly need to continue upgrading our talent at LB. I really had hoped that we might land Ethan Pocic as well.

As to the point about more 0-2 star athletes being represented on all-Big Ten teams than other conferences - we do need to consider the fact that sometimes, recruiting rankings are affected by the school to which a recruit commits. In other words, a highly-rated Indiana kid that commits to Alabama will likely see his recruiting rank rise; if he commits to Indiana, his ranking will likely fall. I'm not saying that this represents a complete explanation, but this phenomenon does exist.

Overall, though, the fact of the matter is that most of the Big Ten simply doesn't recruit very well. Just looking at the rankings this year, here are the current numbers of 4-star and 5-star athletes that have given verbal commitments to Big Ten schools:

Michigan - 3 5-stars, 15 4-stars
Ohio State - 2 5-stars, 12 4-stars
Nebraska - 8 4-stars
Penn State - 1 5-star, 3 4-stars
Michigan State - 3 4-stars
Wisconsin - 3 4-stars
Indiana - 3 4-stars
Illinois - 1 4-star
Northwestern - 1 4-star
Iowa - none
Purdue - none
Minnesota - none

And just for kicks...
Rutgers - 2 4-stars
Maryland - 1 4-star

So, yeah. We're probably going to have more 0-stars to 2-stars making all Big-Ten teams than other conferences, because that's what most of our conference recruits.

Only Ohio State and now Michigan are recruiting at a level in which we can be considered elite teams. Because of this recruiting gap, any time that Ohio State or Michigan loses in the Big Ten, it should be regarded as a major upset... except to maybe Nebraska. It is also telling that Penn State is still probably going to land the fourth-best class in the Big Ten, even with their current sanctions.

The overall recruitment in the Big Ten has to get better, somehow.

I know your title is meant for giggles...but just the notion of becoming SEC affiliated remind me of something my mother preached: be careful when choosing your enemies b/c you'll become them...welcome SEC brethren...

Stratbuck wrote:

CLTBUCKEYE wrote:

Yep.  SECheat pays both the coaches and the players much more.

These two replies were to yummy to pass up...picture reminds me of recent good times at the shoe when TP, Vest and tat gang brought the house down......the irony is priceless.

Cam Newton?

Saint4L4 wrote:

Stratbuck wrote:

CLTBUCKEYE wrote:

Yep.  SECheat pays both the coaches and the players much more.

These two replies were to yummy to pass up...picture reminds me of recent good times at the shoe when TP, Vest and tat gang brought the house down......the irony is priceless.

just a theory and i dont have enough knowledge of the great lakes states to be sure---

one reason you have more "late bloomers" in the big ten states is the differances in the high school rules and weather restrictions.

having spring practice down here gives a high school player 4 more years of intense TEACHING/COACHING at a time when there is no game planning/preperation going on. the coaches can concentrate 100% on working with the kids on technique and individual skills.

how many times have you heard college coaches mention the most important thing to them about bowl prep is the 17? practices where they can work a lot with the younger players that get ignored or are scout team during the regular season?

well because of spring practice southern kids get that for 4 years while northern kids dont.

another thing i have mentioned on here before as a theory is having the big kids running track. most of the top programs down here MAKE the big kids stay busy all year around.

lots of the best football programs in the south will have a "fat boy" relay team on the track team. they arent competitive with the sprinters but you will be suprised how much they will compete with the other big kids. they dont want to be the slowest fat boy and spend 2-3 months running wind sprints every afternoon during track practice while the big kids in other parts on the country are playing xbox.

they also MAKE tham either wrestle, play basketball or be on the competiton weight lifting teams that are really big in florida and georgia.

if they arent the starting heavyweight on the wrestling team so what? they are spending another 2 months working their tails off in the practice room.

basically the average dl from the south will spend the off season wrestling/playing basketball, then running track/spring football then all summer long team work outs and camps/workouts. folks in other areas act shocked they seem more athletic????? they arent sitting on a couch all winter and spring.

a kid from a state that doesnt have spring football and great weather to work outside all year around gets to a college program and suddenly they do have year around strength and conditioning and they do have spring football and BOOM-its a miracle-the kids improves and starts reaching his potential.

you look at it as a big ten coaching staff "developing" a player better. i look at it as a big ten player finally getting the same advantadges in college that the sec kid got in high school and catching up. that 4 year head start and work ethic /competitiveness for the sec bigs gives them a lead.

Well you also in that vein have to think of the practices tosu are missing right now because no bowl game this year. That hurts the young players. Doesn't really hurt team as much as it would if it was a power conference. I really expect tosu to roll through b10 no matter what next season.