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How B-10 teams can lure SEC athletes awayfrom SEC schools....
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Posted: 12/19/2012 11:15 PM
How B-10 teams can lure SEC athletes awayfrom SEC schools....
Haha-trick title-they can't.
Seriously, for all the whining about how B-10 teams stink, etc,etc-how does anyone on here reasonably expect Purdue,MSU,Illinois,Wisky,Iowa,etc. to seriously go into Georgia,Louisiana,Alabama, and Florida and steal elite recruits away from SEC schools....... There's a certain kind of reassuring white rock....and some people do well with that.....
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Posted: 12/19/2012 11:16 PM
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Posted: 12/19/2012 11:30 PM
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Smerc wrote: win Good call. And in order to win, all they have to do is recruit better players. So they should probably start recruiting some of those athletes from down south. All they have to do is lure them away from the SEC schools... ...oh, crap... |
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Posted: 12/20/2012 12:14 AM
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stxbuck wrote:Haha-trick title-they can't.
Seriously, for all the whining about how B-10 teams stink, etc,etc-how does anyone on here reasonably expect Purdue,MSU,Illinois,Wisky,Iowa,etc. to seriously go into Georgia,Louisiana,Alabama, and Florida and steal elite recruits away from SEC schools....... The Big Ten can't even keep the top players in the Midwest, let alone land the top players in the south. #3 RB Ty Isaac from Illinois commited to USC #5 WR Robert Foster from Pennsylvania favoring Pitt #6 WR Laquon Teadwell from Illinois favoring Ole Miss and Oklahoma #4 OT Ethan Pocic from Illinois commited to LSU #3 C Cameron Dillard from Michigan commited to Florida #4 DE Elijah Daniel from Indiana favoring Florida #6 MLB Tim Kimbrough from Indiana commited to Georgia #1 OLB Jaylon Smith from Indiana commited to Notre Dame #3 OLB Alex Anzalone from Pennsylvania commited to Notre Dame As long as the Big Ten fails to recruit top players than the conference will continue to be awful. Is there any reason schools like Wisconsin, Michigan State, Nebraska, etc can't land the type of players listed above?
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Posted: 12/20/2012 2:11 AM
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stxbuck wrote:Haha-trick title-they can't.
Seriously, for all the whining about how B-10 teams stink, etc,etc-how does anyone on here reasonably expect Purdue,MSU,Illinois,Wisky,Iowa,etc. to seriously go into Georgia,Louisiana,Alabama, and Florida and steal elite recruits away from SEC schools....... Well that is pretty easy, fry some chicken, cut up some watermelon, and learn how to fix sweet tea, and you will be off to a fast strat.... Oh yea, get a bunch of freshly tanned chic's who workout on a stair climber for about a hour a day, to lead them on and off campus... |
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Posted: 12/20/2012 4:09 AM
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It' is a shame see so many blue chip players in Midwest go south. It hard to compete with schools who have summer like wether year round.
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Posted: 12/20/2012 6:35 AM
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Posted: 12/20/2012 7:05 AM
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I was listening to the Cowherd podcast this morning. I know how most of you feel about Cowherd (I like him but that's beside the point). He was talking about the talent disparity in the Big Ten and he said something that he credited to Athlon. He said 8 (I believe it was) of the 22 kids to make the All-Big Ten first team were 0-2 stars coming out of high school. The Big Ten placed more walk-ons on their all conference list than any other conference. He cited this as a sign of the overall drop in talent in the Big Ten while acknowledging that he expects Ohio State to remain an anomaly in the conference because of Meyer's recruiting prowess.
Is the all-conference stat an accurate depiction of Big Ten talent or does it say more about player development?
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Posted: 12/20/2012 8:30 AM
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coopercougar wrote: I was listening to the Cowherd podcast this morning. I know how most of you feel about Cowherd (I like him but that's beside the point). He was talking about the talent disparity in the Big Ten and he said something that he credited to Athlon. He said 8 (I believe it was) of the 22 kids to make the All-Big Ten first team were 0-2 stars coming out of high school. The Big Ten placed more walk-ons on their all conference list than any other conference. He cited this as a sign of the overall drop in talent in the Big Ten while acknowledging that he expects Ohio State to remain an anomaly in the conference because of Meyer's recruiting prowess.
Is the all-conference stat an accurate depiction of Big Ten talent or does it say more about player development?
Both!
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Posted: 12/20/2012 8:36 AM
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AceTommyBoy wrote:
stxbuck wrote:Haha-trick title-they can't.
Seriously, for all the whining about how B-10 teams stink, etc,etc-how does anyone on here reasonably expect Purdue,MSU,Illinois,Wisky,Iowa,etc. to seriously go into Georgia,Louisiana,Alabama, and Florida and steal elite recruits away from SEC schools.......
The Big Ten can't even keep the top players in the Midwest, let alone land the top players in the south.
#3 RB Ty Isaac from Illinois commited to USC
#5 WR Robert Foster from Pennsylvania favoring Pitt
#6 WR Laquon Teadwell from Illinois favoring Ole Miss and Oklahoma
#4 OT Ethan Pocic from Illinois commited to LSU
#3 C Cameron Dillard from Michigan commited to Florida
#4 DE Elijah Daniel from Indiana favoring Florida
#6 MLB Tim Kimbrough from Indiana commited to Georgia
#1 OLB Jaylon Smith from Indiana commited to Notre Dame
#3 OLB Alex Anzalone from Pennsylvania commited to Notre Dame
As long as the Big Ten fails to recruit top players than the conference will continue to be awful.
Is there any reason schools like Wisconsin, Michigan State, Nebraska, etc can't land the type of players listed above? A-If kid from Pittsburgh favors Pitt, or a midwest/Indiana kid selects ND, that is still home cooking. Not in the B-10, but the kids are staying home in the north. B-Some kids from the north do go the SEC. Those kids also transfer quite a bit or don't pan out. I have no idea why Treadwell would like Ole Miss over tOSU or scUM, and won't argue about the fact that B-10 schools need to do a better job locking up Illinois. There's a certain kind of reassuring white rock....and some people do well with that.....
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Posted: 12/20/2012 8:45 AM
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coopercougar wrote: I was listening to the Cowherd podcast this morning. I know how most of you feel about Cowherd (I like him but that's beside the point). He was talking about the talent disparity in the Big Ten and he said something that he credited to Athlon. He said 8 (I believe it was) of the 22 kids to make the All-Big Ten first team were 0-2 stars coming out of high school.
Is the all-conference stat an accurate depiction of Big Ten talent or does it say more about player development? B-10 schools do a better job of developing walk-ons AND get a better quality of walk-on. A small town HS star from Indiana or Iowa won't get any major scholly offers, but is still a great athlete. He isn't thrilled at his one offer from Eastern Michigan. His parents can afford to foot the bill or he can get loans, and he walks on to Purdue or Iowa b/c it is the hometown school. 2 years later-wow-here's Jim Leonhart. In the South-small town HS star doesn't get offers from SEC powers or B-10 schools. Mama can't afford to support him-he signs at Central Arkansas or Bethune-Cookman. There's a certain kind of reassuring white rock....and some people do well with that.....
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Posted: 12/20/2012 8:59 AM
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stx i have mentioned it before and a few posters like daveyboy have similar thoughts i think. if i was a big ten program in a poor high school talent state my 4 ooc games would be against teams from texas, florida, georgia or ohio. california is 2000 miles away. if im nebraska my ooc schedule reads houston, smu, rice and maybe one of the big 12 texas schools. you can play the big 12 school in a home and home. if im purdue im playing florida atlantic, central florida, florida international and maybe miami in a home and home. if im iowa im playing houston, louisiana layfette, one more east texas school and maybe tulane.target one general area and MAKE yourself well known there. then you can tell a kid from that area the locals will be able to see him or keep up with him every year because we will be playing there or playing teams from there every year. iowa played northern illinois, iowa st, northern iowa and central michigan???? what the heck. you already cover those areas in the big ten. indiana played ball st and indiana st???? there is nothing wrong with playing an instate school if your state turns out enough players to support a powerful program. michigan played an sec school IN dallas texas. thats the kind of exposure you want. tressel played usc home and home. texas home and home. miami home and home.....thats los angeles/ east texas and south florida. hello? you can still play winnable ooc games AND get exposure in hot prospect areas. you dont have to play florida, texas and usc to get local news coverage and newspaper space in those areas. florida atlantic, san jose st and smu arent the same star power but will have local high school coaches and players at least discussing you. if you want to eat well tonight you better go where the fish are today. the sun may be in your eyes on the other side of the pond but if thats where the fish are biting thats where you go.  |
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Posted: 12/20/2012 9:16 AM
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lowiq wrote: stx i have mentioned it before and a few posters like daveyboy have similar thoughts i think.
if i was a big ten program in a poor high school talent state my 4 ooc games would be against teams from texas, florida, georgia or ohio.
california is 2000 miles away.
if im nebraska my ooc schedule reads houston, smu, rice and maybe one of the big 12 texas schools. you can play the big 12 school in a home and home.
if im purdue im playing florida atlantic, central florida, florida international and maybe miami in a home and home.
if im iowa im playing houston, louisiana layfette, one more east texas school and maybe tulane.target one general area and MAKE yourself well known there.
then you can tell a kid from that area the locals will be able to see him or keep up with him every year because we will be playing there or playing teams from there every year.
iowa played northern illinois, iowa st, northern iowa and central michigan???? what the heck. you already cover those areas in the big ten.
indiana played ball st and indiana st???? there is nothing wrong with playing an instate school if your state turns out enough players to support a powerful program.
michigan played an sec school IN dallas texas. thats the kind of exposure you want.
tressel played usc home and home. texas home and home. miami home and home.....thats los angeles/ east texas and south florida. hello?
you can still play winnable ooc games AND get exposure in hot prospect areas. you dont have to play florida, texas and usc to get local news coverage and newspaper space in those areas. florida atlantic, san jose st and smu arent the same star power but will have local high school coaches and players at least discussing you.
if you want to eat well tonight you better go where the fish are today. the sun may be in your eyes on the other side of the pond but if thats where the fish are biting thats where you go. yeah, but this just goes back to the, umm, let us call it frugal nature of most of these big ten programs. As we've already established in some detail, most big ten schools aren't willing to pay for coaches/assistant coaches or facilities. similarly, they don't want to pay the costs to travel to regions far afield to play a game. furthermore, to get some schools from out of region to come in, schools have to generously compensate those schools. iowa, indiana etc won't do this either, and would rather arrange less expensive payouts for regional opponents. talent is the biggest problem facing big ten schools. however, institutional desire to be competitive in football is a very close second. many schools simply don't care enough about football like OSU and the SEC schools do. |
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Posted: 12/20/2012 9:28 AM
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I would say that 3 of your 9 will remain in the Midwest (Pitt, and Notre Dame). 5 of the 6 of your others are from Illinois and Indiana where there aren't strong loyalties / desires to play for Illinois, Northwestern, Indiana, or Purdue. Not many people would select those schools over USC, Oklahoma, LSU, Florida, and Georgia. AceTommyBoy wrote:
stxbuck wrote: Haha-trick title-they can't.
Seriously, for all the whining about how B-10 teams stink, etc,etc-how does anyone on here reasonably expect Purdue,MSU,Illinois,Wisky,Iowa,etc. to seriously go into Georgia,Louisiana,Alabama, and Florida and steal elite recruits away from SEC schools.......
The Big Ten can't even keep the top players in the Midwest, let alone land the top players in the south.
#3 RB Ty Isaac from Illinois commited to USC
#5 WR Robert Foster from Pennsylvania favoring Pitt
#6 WR Laquon Teadwell from Illinois favoring Ole Miss and Oklahoma
#4 OT Ethan Pocic from Illinois commited to LSU
#3 C Cameron Dillard from Michigan commited to Florida
#4 DE Elijah Daniel from Indiana favoring Florida
#6 MLB Tim Kimbrough from Indiana commited to Georgia
#1 OLB Jaylon Smith from Indiana commited to Notre Dame
#3 OLB Alex Anzalone from Pennsylvania commited to Notre Dame
As long as the Big Ten fails to recruit top players than the conference will continue to be awful.
Is there any reason schools like Wisconsin, Michigan State, Nebraska, etc can't land the type of players listed above? |
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Posted: 12/20/2012 9:35 AM
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lowiq wrote: stx i have mentioned it before and a few posters like daveyboy have similar thoughts i think.
if i was a big ten program in a poor high school talent state my 4 ooc games would be against teams from texas, florida, georgia or ohio.
california is 2000 miles away.
if im nebraska my ooc schedule reads houston, smu, rice and maybe one of the big 12 texas schools. you can play the big 12 school in a home and home.
if im purdue im playing florida atlantic, central florida, florida international and maybe miami in a home and home.
if im iowa im playing houston, louisiana layfette, one more east texas school and maybe tulane.target one general area and MAKE yourself well known there.
then you can tell a kid from that area the locals will be able to see him or keep up with him every year because we will be playing there or playing teams from there every year.
iowa played northern illinois, iowa st, northern iowa and central michigan???? what the heck. you already cover those areas in the big ten.
indiana played ball st and indiana st???? there is nothing wrong with playing an instate school if your state turns out enough players to support a powerful program.
michigan played an sec school IN dallas texas. thats the kind of exposure you want.
tressel played usc home and home. texas home and home. miami home and home.....thats los angeles/ east texas and south florida. hello?
you can still play winnable ooc games AND get exposure in hot prospect areas. you dont have to play florida, texas and usc to get local news coverage and newspaper space in those areas. florida atlantic, san jose st and smu arent the same star power but will have local high school coaches and players at least discussing you.
if you want to eat well tonight you better go where the fish are today. the sun may be in your eyes on the other side of the pond but if thats where the fish are biting thats where you go. good stuff. your should forward this post to every AD in the bigten.
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Posted: 12/20/2012 9:38 AM
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All this talk of scheduling FAU or Rice to get access to Houston/Florida kids is all well and good, but the fact remains that local schools will get the majority of elite local kids. Purdue might be able to beat out UCF for some Florida kids, or Troy for some Alabama kids, but the top SEC level kids will stay local-you are not going to see any B-10 school besides tOSU occasionally, beating out SEC schools for local kids. ND and Stanford can do that, but I don't see any B-10 schools rising to their levels soon-and it isn't something that can be done in 5 years. It isn't horribly difficult for a competetent coach to get a program to a consistent level of 7-8 wins a year if he is given time. Indiana can recruit kids that are every bit as good as those at 2nd tier ACC/SEC schools, but they aren'ty going to get the kind of players that will consistently win/seriously compete for championships.
Building a program that can beat tOSU,Bama,Oklahoma,LSU regularly-and NOT have it considered an upset-much,much harder-and something that fanboys/ESPNheads just don't understand,IMO.
There's a certain kind of reassuring white rock....and some people do well with that.....
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Posted: 12/20/2012 10:07 AM
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piddylolo wrote:
Smerc wrote: win
Good call. And in order to win, all they have to do is recruit better players. So they should probably start recruiting some of those athletes from down south. All they have to do is lure them away from the SEC schools...
...oh, crap... Uh-huh. Toledo, Ohio -- Since 1835, defending our northern border against the Heathen Masses of the North. |
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Posted: 12/20/2012 12:27 PM
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st its really a matter of level.
no purdue wont beat out the top sec schools for the top southern kids.
in the end it comes down to numbers though.
there are 9 big ten states currently.
8 of them--pennsylvania, illinois, michigan, minnesota, iowa, wisconsin, nebraska and indiana COMBINED to have 273 kids sign d1 scholarships last year.
florida by itself produced 344.
texas by itself produced 345
if florida, fsu and miami all signed 25 kids from florida that would leave 269 kids that will have to go someplace else to play in a bcs conference. i think last year around 50 signed with sec schools. that leaves 219.
hire a coach that can convince a kid its better to play in the big ten than it is to play in the acc or big east and get 5-6 kids per year from down there to supplement the best 15-16 you can get from your home area.
you may not win a national championship like that but best case you arent losing to ball st, navy, central michigan and ohio at least. the goal should be to try and get better and come as close as possible to YOUR ceiling.
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Posted: 12/20/2012 12:35 PM
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buckeyemark wrote: I would say that 3 of your 9 will remain in the Midwest (Pitt, and Notre Dame).
5 of the 6 of your others are from Illinois and Indiana where there aren't strong loyalties / desires to play for Illinois, Northwestern, Indiana, or Purdue. Not many people would select those schools over USC, Oklahoma, LSU, Florida, and Georgia. Who cares if a player stays in the Midwest? This isn't a debate about keeping good players in the north, it is a debate about keeping good players in the Big Ten. For so many elite Midwestern players to spurn the Big Ten is an embarassment. The Big Ten is already at a disadvantage because there is less talent in the north than in the south. But if we can't even keep the talent we do have in our region then what hope is there for the conference? Why can't successful Big Ten schools like Wisconsin, Nebraska, and Michigan State land some of these players? Are schools like Ole Miss and Pitt really that much more attractive? Then again, when the best coaches in the conference (Brett Bielema) don't want to coach here why are we surprised when the best players want to leave as well. The Big Ten is in serious trouble. |
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Posted: 12/20/2012 12:37 PM
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No one is saying that Indiana, Purdue, or Minnesota should land these elite players.
But why can't Wisconsin, Michigan State, or Nebraska? Is Ole Miss really a better program than those schools? Are those Big Ten schools even attempting to recruit these elite players?
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