34011 wrote:

buhkeiz wrote: looking forward to his next graduate transfer.  dont know arkansas' scholastics, but might be a bit tougher to find fake grad programs to hide these guys in, as opposed to Madison which was a giant school.

We do not allow that practice in the SEC, Grad transfers allowed... I think is kind of dumb, but the coaches and presidents stopped it....

Well Barry Alvarez paid Ron Dayne's family off and got his brother a job at a Wisconsin Walmart as a manager.

Ibetonart wrote:

Well Barry Alvarez paid Ron Dayne's family off and got his brother a job at a Wisconsin Walmart as a manager.

buckeyemark wrote: Coffeyville (Kan.) CC (JUCO) linebacker Martrell Spaight committed to Kansas State, but all indications now are he has / will be flipped to Arkansas by Razorback coach Bret Beilema.

So, he flips a home state native who's committed to an out of state program to his in state program. Sound familiar!?

At this point Bret Beilema makes Bobby Petrino look like a quality human being! what a clownish statement!

Wisconsin did well to lose Beilema and to replace him with Gary Anderson.

truebuckeye99 wrote:

buckeyemark wrote: Coffeyville (Kan.) CC (JUCO) linebacker Martrell Spaight committed to Kansas State, but all indications now are he has / will be flipped to Arkansas by Razorback coach Bret Beilema.

So, he flips a home state native who's committed to an out of state program to his in state program. Sound familiar!?

At this point Bret Beilema makes Bobby Petrino look like a quality human being! what a clownish statement!

Wisconsin did well to lose Beilema and to replace him with Gary Anderson.

Nothing wrong with this at all. Until a player signs in February, they are open game. Ohio State does the same thing. So what? That's life in major college football. If he doesn't sign with the original team he said "I do" to, I guess he really wasn't committed afterall.

And your assessment about Andersen and Bielema is foolish, Mark. Andersen was like the fourth or fifth choice for Wisconsin. And if Andersen was so great, why didn't Arkansas come after him? Bielema is a good coach, whether or not you like him.

MrBuckeye2004 wrote:

Depriest wrote: I think it will be intersting because Ark can be good. You almost have to win every battle in sec like that.

Bielema will have mediocre teams in the SEC. His style of football does not work well in the SEC. I fully expect him to be canned after posting records slightly better than John L. Smith.

hashmarken34 wrote:

truebuckeye99 wrote:

buckeyemark wrote: Coffeyville (Kan.) CC (JUCO) linebacker Martrell Spaight committed to Kansas State, but all indications now are he has / will be flipped to Arkansas by Razorback coach Bret Beilema.

So, he flips a home state native who's committed to an out of state program to his in state program. Sound familiar!?

At this point Bret Beilema makes Bobby Petrino look like a quality human being! what a clownish statement!

Wisconsin did well to lose Beilema and to replace him with Gary Anderson.

Nothing wrong with this at all. Until a player signs in February, they are open game. Ohio State does the same thing. So what? That's life in major college football. If he doesn't sign with the original team he said "I do" to, I guess he really wasn't committed afterall.

And your assessment about Andersen and Bielema is foolish, Mark. Andersen was like the fourth or fifth choice for Wisconsin. And if Andersen was so great, why didn't Arkansas come after him? Bielema is a good coach, whether or not you like him.

Badger fans are still but hurt over losing a great coach and having to replace him with a no named WAC coach with a 500% overall coaching record. BB is a damn good recruiter, a damn good coach at putting together a damn good coaching staff, and makes a lot of other teams "hate" him because he is tough to beat. 

The realization of the new Badgers coaching staff being made up of WAC coaches is starting to become the light of reality to them.

hashmarken34 wrote:

truebuckeye99 wrote:

buckeyemark wrote: Coffeyville (Kan.) CC (JUCO) linebacker Martrell Spaight committed to Kansas State, but all indications now are he has / will be flipped to Arkansas by Razorback coach Bret Beilema.

So, he flips a home state native who's committed to an out of state program to his in state program. Sound familiar!?

At this point Bret Beilema makes Bobby Petrino look like a quality human being! what a clownish statement!

Wisconsin did well to lose Beilema and to replace him with Gary Anderson.

Nothing wrong with this at all. Until a player signs in February, they are open game. Ohio State does the same thing. So what? That's life in major college football. If he doesn't sign with the original team he said "I do" to, I guess he really wasn't committed afterall.

And your assessment about Andersen and Bielema is foolish, Mark. Andersen was like the fourth or fifth choice for Wisconsin. And if Andersen was so great, why didn't Arkansas come after him? Bielema is a good coach, whether or not you like him.

Badger fans are still but hurt over losing a great coach and having to replace him with a no named WAC coach with a 500% overall coaching record. BB is a damn good recruiter, a damn good coach at putting together a damn good coaching staff, and makes a lot of other teams "hate" him because he is tough to beat. 

The realization of the new Badgers coaching staff being made up of WAC coaches is starting to become the light of reality to them.

BuckeyeRob wrote:

MrBuckeye2004 wrote:

Depriest wrote: I think it will be intersting because Ark can be good. You almost have to win every battle in sec like that.

Bielema will have mediocre teams in the SEC. His style of football does not work well in the SEC. I fully expect him to be canned after posting records slightly better than John L. Smith.

LOL  His style does work?  Seriously?  Its the same style that Alabama plays... they dominated in the SEC

TinweaselJones wrote: The trick will be recruiting to Fayetteville, and with the assistant coaching hires so far, it looks like BB realizes this.  The coaches he has brought all seem to be dynamic recruiters.  One thing the UofA has always struggled with is misconceptions and misinformation.  It's never surprising to see the comments of an athlete finishing a visit to campus and see how surprised they are with the overall facilities, athletic and scholastic both.  If we get them on campus, they generally are excited about the visit.  We still face the problem of being at least 2 hours from any major metro area and some kids and their families just aren't comfortable with that.

As far as flipping recruits, I don't see what the problem is.  This is a decision that every athlete has to make, and make for themselves.  If an Arkansas recruit decides to switch, that's his right.  We're signing maybe the best TE in the country this year in Hunter Henry.  I am sure that Nick Saban and staff are still in contact with the young man, and if he switched it would be understandable.  Hog fans wouldn't like it, but this a is decision that molds his future, and it is his to make.  Until the LOI is signed, these athletes are free to do as they please.  Because they are free, all coaches are free to continue to make a case for their schools and that school's best interest.

buckeyemark wrote: At this point most people don't care anymore!

The one exception seemed to be Wisconsin Head Coach Bret Bielema who was opposed to Urban Meyer using SEC tactics in the Big 10.

I guess Arkansas Head Coach Bret Bielema favors using SEC tactics now that he is in the SEC.

TinweaselJones wrote: The trick will be recruiting to Fayetteville, and with the assistant coaching hires so far, it looks like BB realizes this.  The coaches he has brought all seem to be dynamic recruiters.  One thing the UofA has always struggled with is misconceptions and misinformation.  It's never surprising to see the comments of an athlete finishing a visit to campus and see how surprised they are with the overall facilities, athletic and scholastic both.  If we get them on campus, they generally are excited about the visit.  We still face the problem of being at least 2 hours from any major metro area and some kids and their families just aren't comfortable with that.

As far as flipping recruits, I don't see what the problem is.  This is a decision that every athlete has to make, and make for themselves.  If an Arkansas recruit decides to switch, that's his right.  We're signing maybe the best TE in the country this year in Hunter Henry.  I am sure that Nick Saban and staff are still in contact with the young man, and if he switched it would be understandable.  Hog fans wouldn't like it, but this a is decision that molds his future, and it is his to make.  Until the LOI is signed, these athletes are free to do as they please.  Because they are free, all coaches are free to continue to make a case for their schools and that school's best interest.

RJSimmons wrote:

Ibetonart wrote:

Well Barry Alvarez paid Ron Dayne's family off and got his brother a job at a Wisconsin Walmart as a manager.

??? Where did you get this info?

TinweaselJones wrote: I guess I don't understand what "SEC tactics" involve here.  New coach at new school has new things to offer.  Just because talented player likes what one school has over the old coaching staff, that has nothing to do with what a new coach offers instead.

Why would any coach with short time to recruit limit himself to only recruiting players who had not given a verbal commitment?  That usually includes the less talented players.  Why force yourself to go after less talented players?  This is a terrible tactic.  And for what gain?  A coach that refuses to recruit players who have given a verbal can say that they played really nice with coaches they are competing against.  Hurray!  Coach gets a participation award.  And less talented players.  

buckeyemark wrote: At this point most people don't care anymore!

The one exception seemed to be Wisconsin Head Coach Bret Bielema who was opposed to Urban Meyer using SEC tactics in the Big 10.

I guess Arkansas Head Coach Bret Bielema favors using SEC tactics now that he is in the SEC.

TinweaselJones wrote: The trick will be recruiting to Fayetteville, and with the assistant coaching hires so far, it looks like BB realizes this.  The coaches he has brought all seem to be dynamic recruiters.  One thing the UofA has always struggled with is misconceptions and misinformation.  It's never surprising to see the comments of an athlete finishing a visit to campus and see how surprised they are with the overall facilities, athletic and scholastic both.  If we get them on campus, they generally are excited about the visit.  We still face the problem of being at least 2 hours from any major metro area and some kids and their families just aren't comfortable with that.

As far as flipping recruits, I don't see what the problem is.  This is a decision that every athlete has to make, and make for themselves.  If an Arkansas recruit decides to switch, that's his right.  We're signing maybe the best TE in the country this year in Hunter Henry.  I am sure that Nick Saban and staff are still in contact with the young man, and if he switched it would be understandable.  Hog fans wouldn't like it, but this a is decision that molds his future, and it is his to make.  Until the LOI is signed, these athletes are free to do as they please.  Because they are free, all coaches are free to continue to make a case for their schools and that school's best interest.