cincydawg4 wrote:

OSUVB wrote:

 

No program- whether Texas, Ohio State, USC, ND, Alabama, Michigan, Oklahoma, or whoever- succeeds without the right head coach. Texas (or anyone else) could stay down a much longer time than most anyone would expect.

Who is the last "major program" to slide down and not get back at all?

Miami?  FSU seems to be quasi-back.  You can go back decades to Ole Miss and Minnesota, and perhaps Tennessee is on the slope of a longer term slide.  UCLA?  Washington?

It strikes me that if you are down for a long enough period, you don't really get "back".  I think Notre Dame was nearing that precipice.

BigDroppa wrote: The issue I see is getting blown out by OU two years in a row. You have to think its coaching,

There will always be misses on players n the state that go to other schools

I could imagine the reactions if OSU lost to MIch by 50 or 60 pts


Where Texas fans were wrong is thinking TAMU would be a flop in the SEC. How could they feel that way based on the past yearsin the BigXII.? If they didn't have Manziel, they might have been right. But now TAMU is pouring on the recruiting and the program and fanfare is at a fever pitch...nobody expected that, not even TAMU

OSUVB wrote:

Depends I guess on how you define a "major" program. Even the best of the best have gone through long droughts. Ohio State had no NCs from 1970 to 2002- but they were top five or nearly NC many times during that period. Alabama (1930 to 61) and USC (1978 to 2004) also had long periods without NCs.

I think it all comes down to whether or not the administration has a serious commitment to excellence, and the right HC.

cincydawg4 wrote:

OSUVB wrote:

Depends I guess on how you define a "major" program. Even the best of the best have gone through long droughts. Ohio State had no NCs from 1970 to 2002- but they were top five or nearly NC many times during that period. Alabama (1930 to 61) and USC (1978 to 2004) also had long periods without NCs...

OSU has really never had a bad run of seasons of any length.  A program can go a long period without an NC and still be a "major program" in my book.  I guess I'd say it is major if you finish top ten say 3 times in a decade for decade after decade.  Something like that.

That's true re OSU. It's probably the most consistent of the major programs in that respect. The only decade of the AP era that OSU didn't win or contend for the NC was the 80s, but they still had winning seasons throughout the decade.

I was just using NCs for shorthand, without going through top 5 or top 10 finishes. But the bottom line is even the top programs can have relatively long down periods, but they eventually come back.

RodionRaskolnikov wrote: Texas A&M seems to be the hot commodity in Texas right now.

Texas struggled to maintain "elite" status from the 1980's until Vince Young, so ti would not be a surprise to see them take a back seat to A&M for the next couple decades; especially in light of A&M's young up and coming coach and the move to the SEC.

The Big 12 looks like Texas, Oklahoma and a bunch of "other" schools with a bad TV contract.


Maybe it is karma...

buckeyemark wrote: Texas reminds me of Ohio State under John Cooper in 1999 and 2000.

There is talent there, like with Ohio State as evidenced by the fact that many players on those teams were the keystones of the 2002 National Championship team.

However, QB play - Ohio State had Steve Bellisari, Texas has David Ash AND Case McCoy, is often erratic.

Something just seems to be lacking within the program.

Ohio State found a new spark with Jim Tressel, and again with Urban Meyer. Maybe the time has come for Texas to change direction at head coach?

Even Bill Snyder at K-State was running out of steam after 2003 when he retired after 2005. He came back recharged in 2009 and rebuilt the program from 6-6, to 7-6, to 10-3, to 11-1.

buckeyemark wrote: Texas reminds me of Ohio State under John Cooper in 1999 and 2000.

There is talent there, like with Ohio State as evidenced by the fact that many players on those teams were the keystones of the 2002 National Championship team.

However, QB play - Ohio State had Steve Bellisari, Texas has David Ash AND Case McCoy, is often erratic.

Something just seems to be lacking within the program.

Ohio State found a new spark with Jim Tressel, and again with Urban Meyer. Maybe the time has come for Texas to change direction at head coach?

Even Bill Snyder at K-State was running out of steam after 2003 when he retired after 2005. He came back recharged in 2009 and rebuilt the program from 6-6, to 7-6, to 10-3, to 11-1.

hoss2m wrote:

buckeyemark wrote: Texas reminds me of Ohio State under John Cooper in 1999 and 2000.

There is talent there, like with Ohio State as evidenced by the fact that many players on those teams were the keystones of the 2002 National Championship team.

However, QB play - Ohio State had Steve Bellisari, Texas has David Ash AND Case McCoy, is often erratic.

Something just seems to be lacking within the program.

Ohio State found a new spark with Jim Tressel, and again with Urban Meyer. Maybe the time has come for Texas to change direction at head coach?

Even Bill Snyder at K-State was running out of steam after 2003 when he retired after 2005. He came back recharged in 2009 and rebuilt the program from 6-6, to 7-6, to 10-3, to 11-1.

i guess but that talent under mack to me never seems to be coached up properly. Vince was a dynamic player and basically dominated that season and won texas a championship. However look at all the talent they have gotten from a 4/5 star basis and not many have gone on and done anything at texas or the pros due to mack or staff coaching. you have some but for a program like texas and the talent they brought in like cooper did or uofmiami did you would think there would be better players at the next level.

cincydawg4 wrote: How would you guys compare the TALENT on the 2011 Buckeye team versus the 2012 edition?  

Similar?

hoss2m wrote:

buckeyemark wrote: Texas reminds me of Ohio State under John Cooper in 1999 and 2000.

There is talent there, like with Ohio State as evidenced by the fact that many players on those teams were the keystones of the 2002 National Championship team.

However, QB play - Ohio State had Steve Bellisari, Texas has David Ash AND Case McCoy, is often erratic.

Something just seems to be lacking within the program.

Ohio State found a new spark with Jim Tressel, and again with Urban Meyer. Maybe the time has come for Texas to change direction at head coach?

Even Bill Snyder at K-State was running out of steam after 2003 when he retired after 2005. He came back recharged in 2009 and rebuilt the program from 6-6, to 7-6, to 10-3, to 11-1.

i guess but that talent under mack to me never seems to be coached up properly. Vince was a dynamic player and basically dominated that season and won texas a championship. However look at all the talent they have gotten from a 4/5 star basis and not many have gone on and done anything at texas or the pros due to mack or staff coaching. you have some but for a program like texas and the talent they brought in like cooper did or uofmiami did you would think there would be better players at the next level.

34011 wrote:

hoss2m wrote:

buckeyemark wrote: Texas reminds me of Ohio State under John Cooper in 1999 and 2000.

There is talent there, like with Ohio State as evidenced by the fact that many players on those teams were the keystones of the 2002 National Championship team.

However, QB play - Ohio State had Steve Bellisari, Texas has David Ash AND Case McCoy, is often erratic.

Something just seems to be lacking within the program.

Ohio State found a new spark with Jim Tressel, and again with Urban Meyer. Maybe the time has come for Texas to change direction at head coach?

Even Bill Snyder at K-State was running out of steam after 2003 when he retired after 2005. He came back recharged in 2009 and rebuilt the program from 6-6, to 7-6, to 10-3, to 11-1.

i guess but that talent under mack to me never seems to be coached up properly. Vince was a dynamic player and basically dominated that season and won texas a championship. However look at all the talent they have gotten from a 4/5 star basis and not many have gone on and done anything at texas or the pros due to mack or staff coaching. you have some but for a program like texas and the talent they brought in like cooper did or uofmiami did you would think there would be better players at the next level.

They are not a well coached team and they lack toughness, which has to be instilled  by the head coach... Hard for a coach to be hard on his players in Austin the liberal holyland of the south or southwest...

calibuckeyefan wrote:

34011 wrote:

hoss2m wrote:

buckeyemark wrote: Texas reminds me of Ohio State under John Cooper in 1999 and 2000.

There is talent there, like with Ohio State as evidenced by the fact that many players on those teams were the keystones of the 2002 National Championship team.

However, QB play - Ohio State had Steve Bellisari, Texas has David Ash AND Case McCoy, is often erratic.

Something just seems to be lacking within the program.

Ohio State found a new spark with Jim Tressel, and again with Urban Meyer. Maybe the time has come for Texas to change direction at head coach?

Even Bill Snyder at K-State was running out of steam after 2003 when he retired after 2005. He came back recharged in 2009 and rebuilt the program from 6-6, to 7-6, to 10-3, to 11-1.

i guess but that talent under mack to me never seems to be coached up properly. Vince was a dynamic player and basically dominated that season and won texas a championship. However look at all the talent they have gotten from a 4/5 star basis and not many have gone on and done anything at texas or the pros due to mack or staff coaching. you have some but for a program like texas and the talent they brought in like cooper did or uofmiami did you would think there would be better players at the next level.

They are not a well coached team and they lack toughness, which has to be instilled  by the head coach... Hard for a coach to be hard on his players in Austin the liberal holyland of the south or southwest...

so Texas isnt tough in football right now cuz Austin is liberal...
 wow..   

coopercougar wrote:

RodionRaskolnikov wrote: The Big 12 looks like Texas, Oklahoma and a bunch of "other" schools with a bad TV contract.


Maybe it is karma...

Ummm... what?  You do realize that the Big XII has the most lucrative signed TV contracts in college football, don't you?

ChiTownOSUnut wrote:

buckeyemark wrote: Texas reminds me of Ohio State under John Cooper in 1999 and 2000.

There is talent there, like with Ohio State as evidenced by the fact that many players on those teams were the keystones of the 2002 National Championship team.

However, QB play - Ohio State had Steve Bellisari, Texas has David Ash AND Case McCoy, is often erratic.

Something just seems to be lacking within the program.

Ohio State found a new spark with Jim Tressel, and again with Urban Meyer. Maybe the time has come for Texas to change direction at head coach?

Even Bill Snyder at K-State was running out of steam after 2003 when he retired after 2005. He came back recharged in 2009 and rebuilt the program from 6-6, to 7-6, to 10-3, to 11-1.

Only Mack has a NC.

Something only 6 other active coaches have.

Only three active coaches have won one more recently.

BuckeyeRob wrote: 
Nope... it would be the B1G with the BTN.... sorry but thems the facts (as they say)

lowiq wrote:one bad thing about getting all those early commits every year is some of those kids dont develop quite as well as projected and you also dont have room for the late blooming kids that are on an upward trajectory.