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hey coopcougar is texas imploding? harsin and maybe diaz now?
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- hoss2m
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Posted: 12/17/2012 9:43 PM
hey coopcougar is texas imploding? harsin and maybe diaz now?
first the oc and now diaz possibly moving on? these guys were the young studs that were supposed to turn the program over from davis and mucshamp. losing ricky seals jones to am and more players more than likely going to give am a look as seems ut stuck in the past and other schools moving forward.
Last edited 12/17/2012 10:29 PM by hoss2m
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Posted: 12/17/2012 11:06 PM
Re: hey coopcougar is texas imploding? harsin and maybe diaz
hoss2m wrote: first the oc and now diaz possibly moving on? these guys were the young studs that were supposed to turn the program over from davis and mucshamp. losing ricky seals jones to am and more players more than likely going to give am a look as seems ut stuck in the past and other schools moving forward. Texas is no closer to contending for NC than another storied, former champion program: Nebraska. cooper will just tell you how the Longhorns didn't want Manziel. Winning big is so last decade for Texas. |
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- narfa
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Posted: 12/17/2012 11:09 PM
Re: hey coopcougar is texas imploding? harsin and maybe diaz
 truebuckeye99 wrote:
Texas is no closer to contending for NC than another storied, former champion program: Nebraska. cooper will just tell you how the Longhorns didn't want Manziel.
Winning big is so last decade for Texas. "Columbus 'til I die."
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Posted: 12/17/2012 11:10 PM
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Have you seen Texas play? I don't think losing their coordinators is going to hurt much.
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Posted: 12/17/2012 11:32 PM
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otterbeinbuckeye wrote: Have you seen Texas play? I don't think losing their coordinators is going to hurt much. i think both of them are good coaches, and I think harsin was doing a pretty good job with the offense, all things considered. QB play has been very uneven in Texas since Colt graduated, suffice it to say. David Ash, Garrett Gilbert, the other McCoy kid....no studs in that bunch. I don't know who is doing the scouting for that team, because there sure have been some marvelous quarterbacks to come out of that state. Anyway, I am certain that cooper isn't going to come back too upset about old diaz. |
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Posted: 12/18/2012 7:00 AM
RE: hey coopcougar is texas imploding? harsin and maybe diaz now
Losing _iaz is not an implosion, it is addition by subtraction. Whatever the result of the bowl game, this season will have been a success if _iaz is no longer on the payroll at it's end.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 7:09 AM
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Texas can't be kept down. will b back soon
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Posted: 12/18/2012 7:54 AM
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SurfOhio wrote: Texas can't be kept down. will b back soon I agree. Too much talent in the state. They just need an electric QB (who doesn't) and to get their defense back up to par. Too many athletes in Texas not to. Coop, has recruiting been an issue? Obviously you are getting highly rated guys, but are a lot not panning out? or is it just scheme? |
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Posted: 12/18/2012 10:22 AM
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csmittybuck wrote: Coop, has recruiting been an issue? Obviously you are getting highly rated guys, but are a lot not panning out? or is it just scheme? Recruiting was an issue which is why we went 5-7 in 2010 and why history will probably ultimately judge this time period as a wasted 3 years. It was a huge issue from about 2006 until Muschamp got here and he had to fight for a while to fix the problems. The problem with recruiting during that time was two fold. One, we had a few arrests in the 2004-06 general area so Mack's reaction to that was to recruit choir boys. I have no problem factoring character VERY heavily into recruitment but we started recruiting kids who lacked toughness and we simply passed over risks. Johnny Manziel is maybe the best example I can give you. Mack pre-2006 probably recruits Manziel who grew up a big Texas fan, Mack post-2006 didn't even consider him because of character concerns. And the second problem was an aging staff that got lazy. Our OL coach (now Penn State's OL coach BTW) was notorious for not leaving the Austin area to recruit... literally. We loaded up on kids from Austin and the OL we took from other parts of the state were recruited by other coaches on staff. Most of those problems have changed with new staff and Mack being more flexible. Mack is still way too soft in his style and that is a problem in terms of development but we are recruiting tougher kids and that helps. We've had some defections from the 2013 class and some Texas fans are freaking out, I'm not. The only one I consider a big loss right now is Durham Smythe, a big TE out of Belton. We lost him the day Harsin took the Arkie Lite head job. Harsin runs a very TE heavy offense and we have no TEs to speak of so he would have been starting from day one. If Major keeps most of Harsin's offense in tact, we may be able to get Smythe back but Stanford is his favorite now and nobody is doing a better job with TEs right now than Stanford. As for losing RS-J, I told you guys a long time ago, when he was still committed to us that his AAU coach was showing up a lot and trying to convince the kid he has a legit basketball future. I told you when he decommitted that if the AAU coach left the picture and RS-J came to his senses and realized there isn't a big market for 6'5 PFs, we may get him back. None of that happened and so we lost him. He's a WR/TE and tweener and there is no position Mack has had a harder time with than that (see Dan Buckner who was kicked off the team a couple of years ago, went to Arizona and caught 61 passes this year... more than he caught in two years here). The other two losses are fantastic athletes that you never want to lose, but they are pretty easy to fill positions (DE and APB). Cliff notes... The 2011 and 2012 classes both had very strong, immediate impacts. We're simply recruiting better football players and we have a a great core of talent for the next couple of years. 2013 was always going to be a very small class and we knew that a long time ago. No defection is good but I'm not worried about any of them except for Smythe because we're so weak at the TE position already and good, complete TEs are hard to come by. I really like what we're doing for 2014. Recruiting is one of our strengths again. Mack getting out of the way and letting the coaches develop talent is an issue.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 10:44 AM
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SurfOhio wrote: Texas can't be kept down. will b back soon yep to big to fail. |
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Posted: 12/18/2012 10:51 AM
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The issue I see is getting blown out by OU two years in a row. You have to think its coaching,
There will always be misses on players n the state that go to other schools
I could imagine the reactions if OSU lost to MIch by 50 or 60 pts
Where Texas fans were wrong is thinking TAMU would be a flop in the SEC. How could they feel that way based on the past yearsin the BigXII.? If they didn't have Manziel, they might have been right. But now TAMU is pouring on the recruiting and the program and fanfare is at a fever pitch...nobody expected that, not even TAMU
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Posted: 12/18/2012 11:09 AM
RE: hey coopcougar is texas imploding? harsin and maybe diaz now
droppa i figured there would be "some" pick up in a&m recruiting from kids wanting to play in the sec but nobody saw this season coming for texas a&m.
sumlin is a known commodity in texas--having been at houston he understands east texas high school football--then the renewed enthusiasm from joining a brand new conference coupled with johnny football fever has them as the hot team right now.
texas will be fine but some of the big 12 teams that rely on texas players may lose a couple of key kids every year.
kids that might have ended up at oklahoma st, texas tech, baylor, kansas st might now end up at arkansas, miss st. or missouri.
diaz did a great job improving miss st defense and people forget last year he had texas first in the big 12 in pass defense, rush defense and of course total defense.
one bad thing about getting all those early commits every year is some of those kids dont develop quite as well as projected and you also dont have room for the late blooming kids that are on an upward trajectory.
from a coach that was on texas staff and isnt now the "texas got lazy in recruiting" might be pretty close to right.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 11:21 AM
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SurfOhio wrote: Texas can't be kept down. will b back soon No program- whether Texas, Ohio State, USC, ND, Alabama, Michigan, Oklahoma, or whoever- succeeds without the right head coach. Texas (or anyone else) could stay down a much longer time than most anyone would expect. |
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Posted: 12/18/2012 11:21 AM
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lowiq wrote: droppa i figured there would be "some" pick up in a&m recruiting from kids wanting to play in the sec but nobody saw this season coming for texas a&m.
sumlin is a known commodity in texas--having been at houston he understands east texas high school football--then the renewed enthusiasm from joining a brand new conference coupled with johnny football fever has them as the hot team right now.
texas will be fine but some of the big 12 teams that rely on texas players may lose a couple of key kids every year.
kids that might have ended up at oklahoma st, texas tech, baylor, kansas st might now end up at arkansas, miss st. or missouri.
diaz did a great job improving miss st defense and people forget last year he had texas first in the big 12 in pass defense, rush defense and of course total defense.
one bad thing about getting all those early commits every year is some of those kids dont develop quite as well as projected and you also dont have room for the late blooming kids that are on an upward trajectory.
from a coach that was on texas staff and isnt now the "texas got lazy in recruiting" might be pretty close to right. Yep, second to last statement is right on, but you have realize to Texas is in a sticky mess in recruiting if you ask me, If they don't offer these top Jrs early then they may lose them, and if they do they may not develop.. I think UGA and Texas sometimes have the same problem, all the instate recruits are ready to commit but are the schools, really. I think they are pressured in some ways, if they don't offer, it may put other schools in the driver seat... |
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Posted: 12/18/2012 11:23 AM
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BigDroppa wrote: The issue I see is getting blown out by OU two years in a row. You have to think its coaching, It's preparation on the part of the head coach. One coach goes into that game having prepared his team to rip the heart out of the opponent, the other prepares his team to not lose. Who do you think is going to win? When we have won that game, it's because we had the leadership on the field to overcome Mack's piss poor approach to that game. We're too young to have that right now and Ash, as good as he is physically and mentally capable of being (and that is very good) isn't that kind of boisterous leader. That said, you could have put together an all-star team of Texas offensive talent and I don't know if we could have won that game this year because the defensive scheming and play calling was so bad. It was seriously the single worst performance I have ever seen from a defensive coordinator in one game. It's one thing for a player to be out of position or to miss a tackle. It's something entirely different when your DC calls blitzes and formations that not only play to the offense's strengths but schematically expose your own defense's weaknesses. I would have fired _iaz after that game, it was so bad. |
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Posted: 12/18/2012 12:41 PM
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OSUVB wrote:
SurfOhio wrote: Texas can't be kept down. will b back soon
No program- whether Texas, Ohio State, USC, ND, Alabama, Michigan, Oklahoma, or whoever- succeeds without the right head coach. Texas (or anyone else) could stay down a much longer time than most anyone would expect. And just as easily be back as quick as those schools. ala ND. |
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Posted: 12/18/2012 12:52 PM
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Texas A&M seems to be the hot commodity in Texas right now.
Texas struggled to maintain "elite" status from the 1980's until Vince Young, so ti would not be a surprise to see them take a back seat to A&M for the next couple decades; especially in light of A&M's young up and coming coach and the move to the SEC.
The Big 12 looks like Texas, Oklahoma and a bunch of "other" schools with a bad TV contract.
Maybe it is karma...
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Posted: 12/18/2012 1:04 PM
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ChiTownOSUnut wrote:
OSUVB wrote:
SurfOhio wrote: Texas can't be kept down. will b back soon
No program- whether Texas, Ohio State, USC, ND, Alabama, Michigan, Oklahoma, or whoever- succeeds without the right head coach. Texas (or anyone else) could stay down a much longer time than most anyone would expect. And just as easily be back as quick as those schools. ala ND. Definitely. Same with Carroll at USC, Stoops at OU, etc. The HC is the dominant factor. |
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Posted: 12/18/2012 1:08 PM
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OSUVB wrote:
No program- whether Texas, Ohio State, USC, ND, Alabama, Michigan, Oklahoma, or whoever- succeeds without the right head coach. Texas (or anyone else) could stay down a much longer time than most anyone would expect. Who is the last "major program" to slide down and not get back at all? Miami? FSU seems to be quasi-back. You can go back decades to Ole Miss and Minnesota, and perhaps Tennessee is on the slope of a longer term slide. UCLA? Washington? It strikes me that if you are down for a long enough period, you don't really get "back". I think Notre Dame was nearing that precipice. "Perfection is the enemy of good enough."
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Posted: 12/18/2012 1:11 PM
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RodionRaskolnikov wrote: The Big 12 looks like Texas, Oklahoma and a bunch of "other" schools with a bad TV contract.
Maybe it is karma... Ummm... what? You do realize that the Big XII has the most lucrative signed TV contracts in college football, don't you? |
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