In a world without the BTN, does Rutgers get invited to the Big Ten?

buckEYEdr2B wrote:

NorfolkVaTiger wrote: In a world without the BTN, does Rutgers get invited to the Big Ten?

buckEYEdr2B wrote:

JMO as a College Football fan living in New Jersey most of my life. Yes, as long as there's reason for expansion, which is more than the BTN. Rutgers came very close to being invited in the late 80s with Penn State. BIG has had their eyes on Eastern expansion for many years due to demographics. The upcoming expiration, and negotiations of the B1G TV contract for Tier 1 rights with the TV Networks has more to do with shifting east than BTN. B1G needed to expand to the Middle Atlantic States for these negotiations and it will pay off because they're at the right place at the right time.
Rutgers is an obvious choice in this region.
- The population of B1G alumni in the Metropolitan area is very large and growing. When I went to College in the early-mid 80s, many NJ kids went to the Private Pennsylvania schools. Nowadays, the NJ kids are flocking to B1G schools.
- NJ High School football is very good. Not in the same league as Florida, Texas and California, however, it brings its share of lunch pail kids. Urban Meyer in the neighborhood a week ago, looking at a Wide Receiver from Manalapan, NJ. Showed up at the kid's gym.
- We all know nobody owns New York including the Yankees, however, NY media does occasionally pick up on Rutgers. I've seen an increase of articles in the WSJ, Post and Daily News over the past 2 months. There is definitely some media attention in the largest media area of the country.
- Institutionally, Rutgers is the right fit. Large land grant state university fits in and deals with similar issues as many of the other B1G schools. Rutgers current student population is 57,000 Undergraduate and Graduate students. The alumni base in the Metropolitan area grows each year. Its student section for the football games hold 11K - 12k and it was packed for most of the games this year. The fan base is growing.
This expansion was very much about the future and not the limited history of the Rutgers football team.

NJResident wrote:

NorfolkVaTiger wrote: In a world without the BTN, does Rutgers get invited to the Big Ten?

buckEYEdr2B wrote:

JMO as a College Football fan living in New Jersey most of my life. Yes, as long as there's reason for expansion, which is more than the BTN. Rutgers came very close to being invited in the late 80s with Penn State. BIG has had their eyes on Eastern expansion for many years due to demographics. The upcoming expiration, and negotiations of the B1G TV contract for Tier 1 rights with the TV Networks has more to do with shifting east than BTN. B1G needed to expand to the Middle Atlantic States for these negotiations and it will pay off because they're at the right place at the right time.
Rutgers is an obvious choice in this region.
- The population of B1G alumni in the Metropolitan area is very large and growing. When I went to College in the early-mid 80s, many NJ kids went to the Private Pennsylvania schools. Nowadays, the NJ kids are flocking to B1G schools.
- NJ High School football is very good. Not in the same league as Florida, Texas and California, however, it brings its share of lunch pail kids. Urban Meyer in the neighborhood a week ago, looking at a Wide Receiver from Manalapan, NJ. Showed up at the kid's gym.
- We all know nobody owns New York including the Yankees, however, NY media does occasionally pick up on Rutgers. I've seen an increase of articles in the WSJ, Post and Daily News over the past 2 months. There is definitely some media attention in the largest media area of the country.
- Institutionally, Rutgers is the right fit. Large land grant state university fits in and deals with similar issues as many of the other B1G schools. Rutgers current student population is 57,000 Undergraduate and Graduate students. The alumni base in the Metropolitan area grows each year. Its student section for the football games hold 11K - 12k and it was packed for most of the games this year. The fan base is growing.
This expansion was very much about the future and not the limited history of the Rutgers football team.

Wow logic!  I miss that.

VTech is supposedly on the list of candidates for the next AAU membership vote so its not entirely out of the question for them to join the B1G. NCST isn't exactly chopped liver either. They're both definitely 2nd fiddle to their in state big brothers and I don't know that the B1G would make a play for them unless UVA or UNC go somewhere else.

Thought I don't see the B1G doing this, there's always the possibility that the SEC makes a play for all four teams as a package.

 

OriginalDCBuck wrote:

Nice post low, you are correct in that it is going to be interesting.  The connected schools and merging differences is going to be the key, I have no doubt the administration of UNC prefers the B10 but they have to listen to fans, alumni etc.  The SEC would probably take NC State to get UNC, no way would the B10 do that.  I think the B10 is more likely to take VT Tech, especially to get UVA which I believe would be a better fit and more beneficial to the B10 than taking UNC.  I think the B10 would take Duke to get UNC and the attractiveness of the B10 basketball over the SEC could help. 

Personally I would take UVA and VT Tech gladly over any of the NC schools, academically Duke and UNC to the B10 would be a slam dunk and the best fit but probably not culturally.

NJResident wrote:

NorfolkVaTiger wrote: In a world without the BTN, does Rutgers get invited to the Big Ten?

buckEYEdr2B wrote:

JMO as a College Football fan living in New Jersey most of my life. Yes, as long as there's reason for expansion, which is more than the BTN. Rutgers came very close to being invited in the late 80s with Penn State. BIG has had their eyes on Eastern expansion for many years due to demographics. The upcoming expiration, and negotiations of the B1G TV contract for Tier 1 rights with the TV Networks has more to do with shifting east than BTN. B1G needed to expand to the Middle Atlantic States for these negotiations and it will pay off because they're at the right place at the right time.
Rutgers is an obvious choice in this region.
- The population of B1G alumni in the Metropolitan area is very large and growing. When I went to College in the early-mid 80s, many NJ kids went to the Private Pennsylvania schools. Nowadays, the NJ kids are flocking to B1G schools.
- NJ High School football is very good. Not in the same league as Florida, Texas and California, however, it brings its share of lunch pail kids. Urban Meyer in the neighborhood a week ago, looking at a Wide Receiver from Manalapan, NJ. Showed up at the kid's gym.
- We all know nobody owns New York including the Yankees, however, NY media does occasionally pick up on Rutgers. I've seen an increase of articles in the WSJ, Post and Daily News over the past 2 months. There is definitely some media attention in the largest media area of the country.
- Institutionally, Rutgers is the right fit. Large land grant state university fits in and deals with similar issues as many of the other B1G schools. Rutgers current student population is 57,000 Undergraduate and Graduate students. The alumni base in the Metropolitan area grows each year. Its student section for the football games hold 11K - 12k and it was packed for most of the games this year. The fan base is growing.
This expansion was very much about the future and not the limited history of the Rutgers football team.

Thanks for the coherent reply.

Im curious to hear how the Yankees do not own New York. I thought it was widely considered the Yankees own NYC and Lakers own LA. Mets and Clippers can wish and dream and even sometimes succeed but they will never usurp the dominant teams.

NJResident wrote:

NorfolkVaTiger wrote: In a world without the BTN, does Rutgers get invited to the Big Ten?

buckEYEdr2B wrote:

JMO as a College Football fan living in New Jersey most of my life. Yes, as long as there's reason for expansion, which is more than the BTN. Rutgers came very close to being invited in the late 80s with Penn State. BIG has had their eyes on Eastern expansion for many years due to demographics. The upcoming expiration, and negotiations of the B1G TV contract for Tier 1 rights with the TV Networks has more to do with shifting east than BTN. B1G needed to expand to the Middle Atlantic States for these negotiations and it will pay off because they're at the right place at the right time.
Rutgers is an obvious choice in this region.
- The population of B1G alumni in the Metropolitan area is very large and growing. When I went to College in the early-mid 80s, many NJ kids went to the Private Pennsylvania schools. Nowadays, the NJ kids are flocking to B1G schools.
- NJ High School football is very good. Not in the same league as Florida, Texas and California, however, it brings its share of lunch pail kids. Urban Meyer in the neighborhood a week ago, looking at a Wide Receiver from Manalapan, NJ. Showed up at the kid's gym.
- We all know nobody owns New York including the Yankees, however, NY media does occasionally pick up on Rutgers. I've seen an increase of articles in the WSJ, Post and Daily News over the past 2 months. There is definitely some media attention in the largest media area of the country.
- Institutionally, Rutgers is the right fit. Large land grant state university fits in and deals with similar issues as many of the other B1G schools. Rutgers current student population is 57,000 Undergraduate and Graduate students. The alumni base in the Metropolitan area grows each year. Its student section for the football games hold 11K - 12k and it was packed for most of the games this year. The fan base is growing.
This expansion was very much about the future and not the limited history of the Rutgers football team.

new York roots for whoever is winning. In the mid 80s when the Mets were winning with Gooden, Strawberry and Keith Shea Stadium attendance exploded. You could not find anyone on the streets wearing a Yankee hat. problem is other than 2006 the Mets have been terrible. So many sports teams in New York. They take turns. Now the Knicks are becoming a big deal. The fans are packing MSG again. Note that Yankees were not selling out this past post season which at one time was unheard of. Yanks are expected to win and some of their fans are getting tired, coupled with high priced seats.

NJResident wrote:

NorfolkVaTiger wrote: In a world without the BTN, does Rutgers get invited to the Big Ten?

buckEYEdr2B wrote:

JMO as a College Football fan living in New Jersey most of my life. Yes, as long as there's reason for expansion, which is more than the BTN. Rutgers came very close to being invited in the late 80s with Penn State. BIG has had their eyes on Eastern expansion for many years due to demographics. The upcoming expiration, and negotiations of the B1G TV contract for Tier 1 rights with the TV Networks has more to do with shifting east than BTN. B1G needed to expand to the Middle Atlantic States for these negotiations and it will pay off because they're at the right place at the right time.
Rutgers is an obvious choice in this region.
- The population of B1G alumni in the Metropolitan area is very large and growing. When I went to College in the early-mid 80s, many NJ kids went to the Private Pennsylvania schools. Nowadays, the NJ kids are flocking to B1G schools.
- NJ High School football is very good. Not in the same league as Florida, Texas and California, however, it brings its share of lunch pail kids. Urban Meyer in the neighborhood a week ago, looking at a Wide Receiver from Manalapan, NJ. Showed up at the kid's gym.
- We all know nobody owns New York including the Yankees, however, NY media does occasionally pick up on Rutgers. I've seen an increase of articles in the WSJ, Post and Daily News over the past 2 months. There is definitely some media attention in the largest media area of the country.
- Institutionally, Rutgers is the right fit. Large land grant state university fits in and deals with similar issues as many of the other B1G schools. Rutgers current student population is 57,000 Undergraduate and Graduate students. The alumni base in the Metropolitan area grows each year. Its student section for the football games hold 11K - 12k and it was packed for most of the games this year. The fan base is growing.
This expansion was very much about the future and not the limited history of the Rutgers football team.

I agree with this generally.  Rutgers getting an B1G invitation is about much more than the BTN and likely would have occurred with the changes in football/playoffs even if the BTN didn't exist.

Lowiq---I have a general idea regarding what you said regarding VA, VT, UNC & NC State---thanks.

From what you know, how much of an 'uproar' would there be if the two VA schools & the two NC schools did not wind up in the same conference?

Also does the SEC have a decided preference in selecting any two of the four schools over the other two?

Blacksburg is an easy 3 1/2 hour drive from Knoxville, so if the SEC has VTech #1 on their list for expansion, that makes a ton of sense.

UCLAMarv wrote: Lowiq---I have a general idea regarding what you said regarding VA, VT, UNC & NC State---thanks.

From what you know, how much of an 'uproar' would their be if the two VA schools & the two NC schools did not wind up in the same conference?

UNC fan here.  If I may comment...

As long as UNC and NCSU were to end up with spots in power conferences, I believe that the NC General Assembly would be fine with them being in separate conferences.  They will not allow one to be in a prosperous league, while the other is in a gutted and irrelevant ACC.

I am an optimist, and, I believe that the ACC will survive going forward, as is.  Clemson's FB coach has come out and said that it made no sense for them to go to the Big 12.  That the kids they were recruiting were not interested in playing in a league so far away.

Also does the SEC have a decided preference in selecting any two of the four schools over the other two?

The talk here in NC is that Mike Slive wants UNC and UVA.  There are three main reasons.  First, it gets the league into NC and VA, two of the 12 largest states, population-wise.  Second, both schools are top-rated academic institutions, and, as such, would help improve the overall academic image of the SEC.  And lastly, taking UNC-UVA would shut the Big 10 out of the NC-VA region altogether.  It is believed that the B10 would not invite either VPI or NCSU.

Blacksburg is an easy 3 1/2 hour drive from Knoxville, so if the SEC has VTech #1 on their list for expansion, that makes a ton of sense.

Thoughts from Buckeye Nation?

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Thoughts from Buckeye Nation?

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UVA will not join the SEC.... Next.

UCLAMarv wrote: Lowiq---I have a general idea regarding what you said regarding VA, VT, UNC & NC State---thanks.

From what you know, how much of an 'uproar' would their be if the two VA schools & the two NC schools did not wind up in the same conference?

Also does the SEC have a decided preference in selecting any two of the four schools over the other two?

Blacksburg is an easy 3 1/2 hour drive from Knoxville, so if the SEC has VTech #1 on their list for expansion, that makes a ton of sense.

This is interesting because VA and VA Tech have only been in the same conference for about ten years, they were in separate conferences for a much longer time than they were together.  The idea that schools from the same state have to be in the same conference seems odd because they only play once a year, (unless they are in different  divisions and could meet in a CCG) they could always schedule an OOC game every year.  I'm not denying it exists but I don't understand why being in different athletic conferences would matter.

it isnt a matter of them being in the same conference.

when va tech was in the big east it was before the big tv money contracts started rolling in.

with the new tv money, conference tie ins with bowl games, the playoffs coming ect things are a LOT differant than they were even 5 years ago.

va tech and virginia can stay in the acc if it stays solvent and it will be fine.

they can both go to the big ten and it will be fine.

they can both go to the sec and it will be fine.

one can go to the big ten and the other go to the sec and it will be fine...doesnt matter which goes where.

what WONT be fine is IF the acc sinks and ONE of the schools goes to either the big ten or sec and the other gets left hanging out.

as long as BOTH state schools end up in a solid conference there is no problem. same conference or not isnt that big of a deal really.

i know the sec wanted to add two more fairly quickly because of scheduling conflicts and the target date for starting the sec network is coming up. im sure espn wants to know for sure who they are paying for.

lowiq wrote: it isnt a matter of them being in the same conference.

when va tech was in the big east it was before the big tv money contracts started rolling in.

with the new tv money, conference tie ins with bowl games, the playoffs coming ect things are a LOT differant than they were even 5 years ago.

va tech and virginia can stay in the acc if it stays solvent and it will be fine.

they can both go to the big ten and it will be fine.

they can both go to the sec and it will be fine.

one can go to the big ten and the other go to the sec and it will be fine...doesnt matter which goes where.

what WONT be fine is IF the acc sinks and ONE of the schools goes to either the big ten or sec and the other gets left hanging out.

as long as BOTH state schools end up in a solid conference there is no problem. same conference or not isnt that big of a deal really.

i know the sec wanted to add two more fairly quickly because of scheduling conflicts and the target date for starting the sec network is coming up. im sure espn wants to know for sure who they are paying for.

That makes sense low, thanks.

low is right. UVa pulled a lot of strings with the ACC and in Richmond to get VPI in the ACC so the only thing all parties want is an assurance both schools will be given a relatively equal chance at success. The two schools are by no means tied together.

Chatter starting to pick up about movement by the B1G after the bowls.

Targets are now said to be: FSU, GT, UNC, UVA, ND, Kansas/BC. B1G will move to 20 with right schools.

WinchesterBUCK wrote: Chatter starting to pick up about movement by the B1G after the bowls.

 
Chatter by anyone who matters?

If you go to www.mrsec.com, you will find that Mr. SEC posted Part #3 of his continuing article on super conference expansion. He addresses all the major conferences, but I've limited my post to the section addressing the B1G:

Big Ten Conference

Current Status:  Maryland and Rutgers are scheduled to join the conference.  The Big Ten — along with the SEC — remains in the strongest position of all the remaining “Big Five” conferences.  No league boasts bigger schools and, therefore, bigger fanbases and alumni chapters.  No league can match the Big Ten top-to-bottom in terms of academic reputation as all but one Big Ten member (Nebraska) is a member of the AAU, a collection of the continent’s biggest-spending research institutions.  When Maryland and Rutgers enter, the Big Ten will feature 14 schools total.

Outlook/Goal:  The Big Ten’s outlook is strong.  Jim Delany’s league makes money hand over fist and most Big Ten schools have about 50,000 students.  With that many grads, interest in the Big Ten will remain high for many years to come.  However, as Delany himself has explained, population shifts are making it necessary for his league to try and reach farther south, to where state populations are still growing.  The Big Ten wants to guarantee that it remains cash rich by adding cable households for its Big Ten Network and that it maintains it’s academic reputation by adding well-respected schools.  (Nebraska was an AAU member, too, when the Big Ten lured them from the Big XII.)

Possible Moves/Rumored Interests:

*  It has been rumored for more than a year now that both Georgia Tech and Virginia are on the Big Ten’s radar.  Both are AAU schools.  Both would provide more television markets and more cable households for the league’s network.  Both would help the league extend its brand into the South.  That kind of advertising — Big Ten football and basketball games getting more exposure and carrying more weight in Southern markets — should drive more students from the South to the league’s Midwestern schools.  More than one source from inside the SEC and another source from inside the college athletics industry has told us that Virginia and Georgia Tech are believed to be done deals to the Big Ten, with the only hold-up being Maryland’s court battle to get out of the ACC.  Reportedly, Virginia and Georgia Tech officials want to know the cost of switching leagues before actually doing so.  Now, we’re not big on stories of “done deals,” because deals can fall through.  Last year, a rumor that Florida State and Clemson were jumping to the Big XII never amounted to anything.  So we want to make it clear — very clear — that we’re hearing from multiple sources that they believe Virginia and Georgia Tech will someday soon be the Big Ten’s 15th and 16 schools.  That isn’t our view.  We’re just passing along what we’ve heard from multiple sources.

*  But even if those schools do move at some point, that does not mean that the Big Ten will slam the brakes on expansion.  As we’ve discussed in previous pieces, leagues are making money off of their brand names and their content.  The more good games to sell (content), the more television money to be made.  For that reason, we firmly believe the rumblings we’ve heard about the Big Ten having an interest in Duke and North Carolina.  Currently, the Big Ten’s schools are all located in contiguous states.  If Georgia Tech is a target for the Big Ten and if form holds, the league will need to somehow connect the state of Virginia to the state of Georgia.  We don’t expect an SEC school — Vanderbilt — to be on the Big Ten’s list of invitees, so that leaves the state of North Carolina as the other option.  It just so happens that the crown jewels of the ACC in terms of name brands are located in the Tarheel State.  While the Big Ten is rumored to be eyeballing Virginia and Georgia Tech, don’t be surprised if Delany and company don’t attempt to add four more schools, all from the ACC — Virginia, Georgia Tech, North Carolina and Duke.  All are AAU members.  The addition of all four would bring the league’s total number of schools to 18 and greatly increase the Big Ten’s area of influence.  The Big Ten Network would stretch from Nebraska, Iowa and Minnesota all the way into New York and then down the Eastern seaboard and into the SEC’s biggest natural TV market: Atlanta.  In addition, the more ACC schools the Big Ten goes after at once, the easier the sell might be for each school as it exits its old conference.  The administrators and fans of Virginia, Georgia Tech, North Carolina and Duke might be more likely to move if they knew they’d still be seeing plenty of familiar faces in their new home.  And Maryland would already be waiting for them.

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WinchesterBUCK wrote: Chatter starting to pick up about movement by the B1G after the bowls.

Targets are now said to be: FSU, GT, UNC, UVA, ND, Kansas/BC. B1G will move to 20 with right schools.

I'm looking forward to BTN-2.

va1bucksfan1 wrote: Chatter by anyone who matters?

No.  Anybody mentioning Kansas with a straight face is either lying or exceedingly stupid.