My assumption is that the B1G is expanding to 16+ so that they can launch BTN2 with enough content to fill both channels.

Then they would get probably ~1.5X what they currently get per household plus the additional cable households from the added teams.

Buckifaithful wrote: My assumption is that the B1G is expanding to 16+ so that they can launch BTN2 with enough content to fill both channels.

Then they would get probably ~1.5X what they currently get per household plus the additional cable households from the added teams.

This is exactly their plan.
They have already came out and admitted that they are looking to "add content to the Big Ten Network".  And why else would they be wanting to add more content.  It's so it can validate the need (and demand) for a 2nd network that they can push down cable/satellite companies throats, with some help from Fox.

WOODY16111 wrote: Looks like the Big 12 is trying to compliment the WVU addition by going after other schools in the region. My thought is they could land Cincy, Pitt, Lousville to join WVU and maybe land big names like VaTech and FSU ?

That gets them to 16 teams, and a nice east west line up.

If you're going off what I said, know that it was just educated speculation on my part.  The Big XII has talked a lot about the value of rivalries and WVU/Pitt is a great rivalry.  Adding Pitt (or Cincy) also gives the conference really nice balance whether they want to go to two 8 team divisions or four 4 team pods.  Consider a divisional alignment like this (this is just speculation of course and for the sake of speculation we'll assume the Big Ten adds UVa and GaTech and the SEC adds UNC and Duke)...

West (the I-35 division)
Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU
Mobilhoma
Okie Lite
Kansas
Kansas State

East (the I-95 division)
Florida State
Miami
Clemson
NC State
VPI
WVU
Pitt
Iowa State

In that scenario you have a great balance with the state of Texas anchoring one division and the state of Florida anchoring the other.  You also have a nice mix of traditionally good football programs.

If you wanted to go with a pod alignment, you could do something like this...

Southwest
Texas
Tech
Baylor
TCU

Midwest
Mobilhoma
Okie Lite
Kansas
Kansas State

Southeast
Florida State
Miami
Clemson
NC State

Northeast
WVU
Pitt
VPI
Iowa State

Again, fairly balanced in terms of quality of the programs.  You would have to work out a scheduling system that would allow the North and East division teams plenty of games in the state of Texas and Florida respectively to maintain some recruiting and media exposure balance but I don't think it would be difficult.  I would probably favor a divisional alignment with 7 division games and either 2 cross-division games or 1 set cross-divisional rival and a 2nd rotating cross-division game.

ESPN hints at UNC and GTech while discussing the BEast:

"At this point, both schools have to stay in the Big East, but sources at Cincinnati and UConn are under the impression, even if it's not known to be true yet, that the Big Ten will raid the ACC for two more schools -- North Carolina and Georgia Tech."

http://espn.go.com/college-spo...ubbing-big-east

Pete Thamel also mentions UNC and GTech (and Virginia):



http://m.si.com/627787/whats-n...lic-7-big-east/

...and VT and NC State to the SEC.

winchester this is shaping up to be a really interesting next few months--that could play into next few years.

history shows when looking for fast moves you better concentrate on the independant schools, schools that are the only major player in a state or schools that are in a differant conference  than the other major player in the same state already.

big ten expansion--
penn state was an independant so no problem
maryland was the only major player so no problem
rutgers was the only major player so no problem

big 12-
west virginia was the only major player so no problem

sec-
arkansas was the only major player so no problem
south carolina was an independant so no problem
missouri was the only major player so no problem

texas a&m was in a state with other majors in the same conference and it took 20 years to finally get to the sec and there were still threats of lawsuits when it happened.

these are the schools that can move fairly easily--
clemson--other major is in a differant conference
fsu--other major is in a differant conference
ga tech--
wake forest-private
duke-private
miami-private
notre dame-private
boston college-private
uconn-only major

these are the 4 that SOMETHING is going to have to be done for the "other" school.

unc-nc state
uva-va tech

everyone has assumed that because of academics unc and uva went to the big ten and va tech and nc state went to the sec. almost everyone doing that assuming have been northern based sports writers or lazy southern ones that havent done any legwork.

i have no clue about virginia but the north carolina folks--alumni, fans, students ect have been overwhelmingly in favor of going to the sec IF a move HAS to be made. the unc athletic people have already came out and said they prefer the sec again IF a move HAS to be made.

there have been all kinds of guesses and theories/what ifs about who goes where but i can already tell you straight from a pretty close person involved NOTHING will happen with uva and unc unless a landing spot is made for va tech and nc state. to much political fall out otherwise.

I'd still prefer UVa and UNC, but I agree, it's going to be an interesting few months.

lowiq wrote:
these are the schools that can move fairly easily--
clemson--other major is in a differant conference
fsu--other major is in a differant conference
ga tech--
wake forest-private
duke-private
miami-private
notre dame-private
boston college-private
uconn-only major

 
Cincinnati -- other major is in a different conference
Pitt -- other major is in a different conference
Louisville -- other major is in a different conference
Syracuse -- only major

You have some great points/observations.

With that theory, one would have to think GT. I think VT would easily land in the SEC, so I don't see the problem with Virginia to the B1G.

I think of the B1G were to land GT and Virginia first, UNC would come aboard. Conferences don't listen to fans or Boise St would have been added to a BCS years ago. Fans are very short sighted.

I personally believe the B1G and SEC want to be at 16 in time for the 2014 season. This will also coincide with the SEC network. I then think if the B1G want to go to 18 or 20, that will be in time for the 2017 season. The B1G wants the BTN to compete with ESPN. This will require a BTN2 and more content, bigger footprint, and flagship schools (or ND).

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--- lowiq wrote:

winchester this is shaping up to be a really interesting next few months--that could play into next few years.

history shows when looking for fast moves you better concentrate on the independant schools, schools that are the only major player in a state or schools that are in a differant conference  than the other major player in the same state already.

big ten expansion--
penn state was an independant so no problem
maryland was the only major player so no problem
rutgers was the only major player so no problem

big 12-
west virginia was the only major player so no problem

sec-
arkansas was the only major player so no problem
south carolina was an independant so no problem
missouri was the only major player so no problem

texas a&m was in a state with other majors in the same conference and it took 20 years to finally get to the sec and there were still threats of lawsuits when it happened.

these are the schools that can move fairly easily--
clemson--other major is in a differant conference
fsu--other major is in a differant conference
ga tech--
wake forest-private
duke-private
miami-private
notre dame-private
boston college-private
uconn-only major

these are the 4 that SOMETHING is going to have to be done for the "other" school.

unc-nc state
uva-va tech

everyone has assumed that because of academics unc and uva went to the big ten and va tech and nc state went to the sec. almost everyone doing that assuming have been northern based sports writers or lazy southern ones that havent done any legwork.

i have no clue about virginia but the north carolina folks--alumni, fans, students ect have been overwhelmingly in favor of going to the sec IF a move HAS to be made. the unc athletic people have already came out and said they prefer the sec again IF a move HAS to be made.

there have been all kinds of guesses and theories/what ifs about who goes where but i can already tell you straight from a pretty close person involved NOTHING will happen with uva and unc unless a landing spot is made for va tech and nc state. to much political fall out otherwise.

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thanks for filling in the blanks va.

i was going off the top of my head while trying to explain to my 2 year old grand daughter why fish eat worms.

yall arent the only ones that depend on me for wisdom and knowledge.

lowiq wrote: winchester this is shaping up to be a really interesting next few months--that could play into next few years.

history shows when looking for fast moves you better concentrate on the independant schools, schools that are the only major player in a state or schools that are in a differant conference  than the other major player in the same state already.

big ten expansion--
penn state was an independant so no problem
maryland was the only major player so no problem
rutgers was the only major player so no problem

big 12-
west virginia was the only major player so no problem

sec-
arkansas was the only major player so no problem
south carolina was an independant so no problem
missouri was the only major player so no problem

texas a&m was in a state with other majors in the same conference and it took 20 years to finally get to the sec and there were still threats of lawsuits when it happened.

these are the schools that can move fairly easily--
clemson--other major is in a differant conference
fsu--other major is in a differant conference
ga tech--
wake forest-private
duke-private
miami-private
notre dame-private
boston college-private
uconn-only major

these are the 4 that SOMETHING is going to have to be done for the "other" school.

unc-nc state
uva-va tech

everyone has assumed that because of academics unc and uva went to the big ten and va tech and nc state went to the sec. almost everyone doing that assuming have been northern based sports writers or lazy southern ones that havent done any legwork.

i have no clue about virginia but the north carolina folks--alumni, fans, students ect have been overwhelmingly in favor of going to the sec IF a move HAS to be made. the unc athletic people have already came out and said they prefer the sec again IF a move HAS to be made.

there have been all kinds of guesses and theories/what ifs about who goes where but i can already tell you straight from a pretty close person involved NOTHING will happen with uva and unc unless a landing spot is made for va tech and nc state. to much political fall out otherwise.

Nice post low, you are correct in that it is going to be interesting.  The connected schools and merging differences is going to be the key, I have no doubt the administration of UNC prefers the B10 but they have to listen to fans, alumni etc.  The SEC would probably take NC State to get UNC, no way would the B10 do that.  I think the B10 is more likely to take VT Tech, especially to get UVA which I believe would be a better fit and more beneficial to the B10 than taking UNC.  I think the B10 would take Duke to get UNC and the attractiveness of the B10 basketball over the SEC could help. 

Personally I would take UVA and VT Tech gladly over any of the NC schools, academically Duke and UNC to the B10 would be a slam dunk and the best fit but probably not culturally.

I too have thought that the B1G would end up whiffing on UNC for several reasons. I like the idea of UVa and VT. Solidifies academics, football, lacrosse and locks up the entire state of Va which is demographically very desirable
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--- OriginalDCBuck wrote:

lowiq wrote: winchester this is shaping up to be a really interesting next few months--that could play into next few years.

history shows when looking for fast moves you better concentrate on the independant schools, schools that are the only major player in a state or schools that are in a differant conference  than the other major player in the same state already.

big ten expansion--
penn state was an independant so no problem
maryland was the only major player so no problem
rutgers was the only major player so no problem

big 12-
west virginia was the only major player so no problem

sec-
arkansas was the only major player so no problem
south carolina was an independant so no problem
missouri was the only major player so no problem

texas a&m was in a state with other majors in the same conference and it took 20 years to finally get to the sec and there were still threats of lawsuits when it happened.

these are the schools that can move fairly easily--
clemson--other major is in a differant conference
fsu--other major is in a differant conference
ga tech--
wake forest-private
duke-private
miami-private
notre dame-private
boston college-private
uconn-only major

these are the 4 that SOMETHING is going to have to be done for the "other" school.

unc-nc state
uva-va tech

everyone has assumed that because of academics unc and uva went to the big ten and va tech and nc state went to the sec. almost everyone doing that assuming have been northern based sports writers or lazy southern ones that havent done any legwork.

i have no clue about virginia but the north carolina folks--alumni, fans, students ect have been overwhelmingly in favor of going to the sec IF a move HAS to be made. the unc athletic people have already came out and said they prefer the sec again IF a move HAS to be made.

there have been all kinds of guesses and theories/what ifs about who goes where but i can already tell you straight from a pretty close person involved NOTHING will happen with uva and unc unless a landing spot is made for va tech and nc state. to much political fall out otherwise.

Nice post low, you are correct in that it is going to be interesting.  The connected schools and merging differences is going to be the key, I have no doubt the administration of UNC prefers the B10 but they have to listen to fans, alumni etc.  The SEC would probably take NC State to get UNC, no way would the B10 do that.  I think the B10 is more likely to take VT Tech, especially to get UVA which I believe would be a better fit and more beneficial to the B10 than taking UNC.  I think the B10 would take Duke to get UNC and the attractiveness of the B10 basketball over the SEC could help. 

Personally I would take UVA and VT Tech gladly over any of the NC schools, academically Duke and UNC to the B10 would be a slam dunk and the best fit but probably not culturally.

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OriginalDCBuck wrote:

lowiq wrote: winchester this is shaping up to be a really interesting next few months--that could play into next few years.

history shows when looking for fast moves you better concentrate on the independant schools, schools that are the only major player in a state or schools that are in a differant conference  than the other major player in the same state already.

big ten expansion--
penn state was an independant so no problem
maryland was the only major player so no problem
rutgers was the only major player so no problem

big 12-
west virginia was the only major player so no problem

sec-
arkansas was the only major player so no problem
south carolina was an independant so no problem
missouri was the only major player so no problem

texas a&m was in a state with other majors in the same conference and it took 20 years to finally get to the sec and there were still threats of lawsuits when it happened.

these are the schools that can move fairly easily--
clemson--other major is in a differant conference
fsu--other major is in a differant conference
ga tech--
wake forest-private
duke-private
miami-private
notre dame-private
boston college-private
uconn-only major

these are the 4 that SOMETHING is going to have to be done for the "other" school.

unc-nc state
uva-va tech

everyone has assumed that because of academics unc and uva went to the big ten and va tech and nc state went to the sec. almost everyone doing that assuming have been northern based sports writers or lazy southern ones that havent done any legwork.

i have no clue about virginia but the north carolina folks--alumni, fans, students ect have been overwhelmingly in favor of going to the sec IF a move HAS to be made. the unc athletic people have already came out and said they prefer the sec again IF a move HAS to be made.

there have been all kinds of guesses and theories/what ifs about who goes where but i can already tell you straight from a pretty close person involved NOTHING will happen with uva and unc unless a landing spot is made for va tech and nc state. to much political fall out otherwise.

Nice post low, you are correct in that it is going to be interesting.  The connected schools and merging differences is going to be the key, I have no doubt the administration of UNC prefers the B10 but they have to listen to fans, alumni etc.  The SEC would probably take NC State to get UNC, no way would the B10 do that.  I think the B10 is more likely to take VT Tech, especially to get UVA which I believe would be a better fit and more beneficial to the B10 than taking UNC.  I think the B10 would take Duke to get UNC and the attractiveness of the B10 basketball over the SEC could help. 

Personally I would take UVA and VT Tech gladly over any of the NC schools, academically Duke and UNC to the B10 would be a slam dunk and the best fit but probably not culturally.

The dollars from areas outside of football and basketball from alliance with the B1G dwarf those from an alliance with the $EC.

lowiq wrote: winchester this is shaping up to be a really interesting next few months--that could play into next few years.

history shows when looking for fast moves you better concentrate on the independant schools, schools that are the only major player in a state or schools that are in a differant conference  than the other major player in the same state already.

big ten expansion--
penn state was an independant so no problem
maryland was the only major player so no problem
rutgers was the only major player so no problem

big 12-
west virginia was the only major player so no problem

sec-
arkansas was the only major player so no problem
south carolina was an independant so no problem
missouri was the only major player so no problem

texas a&m was in a state with other majors in the same conference and it took 20 years to finally get to the sec and there were still threats of lawsuits when it happened.

these are the schools that can move fairly easily--
clemson--other major is in a differant conference
fsu--other major is in a differant conference
ga tech--
wake forest-private
duke-private
miami-private
notre dame-private
boston college-private
uconn-only major

these are the 4 that SOMETHING is going to have to be done for the "other" school.

unc-nc state
uva-va tech

everyone has assumed that because of academics unc and uva went to the big ten and va tech and nc state went to the sec. almost everyone doing that assuming have been northern based sports writers or lazy southern ones that havent done any legwork.

i have no clue about virginia but the north carolina folks--alumni, fans, students ect have been overwhelmingly in favor of going to the sec IF a move HAS to be made. the unc athletic people have already came out and said they prefer the sec again IF a move HAS to be made.

there have been all kinds of guesses and theories/what ifs about who goes where but i can already tell you straight from a pretty close person involved NOTHING will happen with uva and unc unless a landing spot is made for va tech and nc state. to much political fall out otherwise.

only 1 school per state, because a 2nd school in a state wouldn't increase BTN revenues any more than the first, so you'd be giving out 2 shares instead of one, for the same revenue increase from that state.

and the statehouse will be unhappy if you took one public school from a state and not the other from the same conference.

as for a landing spot for the 2nd school, that would depend on the landing spot, though i'm not sure even providing a landing spot would placate the statehouse if the schools were originally in the same conference. 

you try to separate UNC and NC State, landing spot or no landing spot, hard to see the statehouse being good with that.


regardless, all the schools being mentioned will still result in net financial losses for the legacy schools for every school added. the math doesn't lie.

the league having it's own network was a good idea, but it's no longer the league's network.

it's now a network with it's own league, and the network now fully controls the league, instead of vice versa, even to the extent of the network now dictating what schools can and can't be in the league.

what a colossal failure of leadership at all levels.

and the question no one has even considered yet, is what happens when this whole fiasco all goes south.

rocknhoops wrote:

and the question no one has even considered yet, is what happens when this whole fiasco all goes south.

what fiasco?

rocknhoops wrote:


...the league having it's own network was a good idea, but it's no longer the league's network.

it's now a network with it's own league, and the network now fully controls the league, instead of vice versa, even to the extent of the network now dictating what schools can and can't be in the league...

That's a very interesting way to put it.

Well if VA & VTech did go to different conferences, why would the folks at the statehouse in Charlottesville go ballistic, and especially if they immediately agreed to play each other every year?

Also, if one of those schools went to the Big Ten & the other chose the SEC, wouldn't an annual game between Maryland & the school choosing the SEC be a no-brainer if for no other reason than for the boatloads of recruits throughout both states contemplating whether to play in the Big Ten or the SEC?

Just wonderin'......

marv if uva and unc went to the big ten and va tech and nc state went to the sec there would be no problem.

if the acc was to fall apart the problem would be what if uva and unc went to the sec and the big ten didnt want va tech and nc state---thats a major problem.

or if uva and unc went to the big ten and the sec decided they wouldnt take nc state and va tech---again thats a major problem.

i dont think its that big of a deal they stay together.

i dont think its that big a deal WHICH conference which school ends up in.

the problem is making sure that if one goes somewhere else the other doesnt get hung out to dry.

the big ten would prefer uva and unc.

it appears the sec would prefer them also.

the next question is would either the big ten or sec take the other two? i honestly dont know.

if the uva and unc decide they would rather go to the big ten does the sec tell them they dont want the other two? again i dont know.

would the state politicians stop uva and unc from leaving if the sec wont take va tech and nc state?

would espn rather the acc stay together than risk losing uva and unc to the btn?

this goes a lot deeper than just we want them so lets take them.

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--- NorfolkVaTiger wrote:

rocknhoops wrote:


...the league having it's own network was a good idea, but it's no longer the league's network.

it's now a network with it's own league, and the network now fully controls the league, instead of vice versa, even to the extent of the network now dictating what schools can and can't be in the league...

That's a very interesting way to put it.

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Agreed, it is interesting.... But it is WRONG!

TV sets delivered to the BTN is only one piece to the pie!

If people believe the only reason Rutgers was added was for NJ/NY television sets... They are morons!

The public outcry for a true Division 1 playoff system gained too much steam... The "big boys" of CFB rightfully got upset that the sport/profits they built up over the past century, would now be cut into much smaller pieces and re-distributed to the "new kids on the block" who make the playoffs. One way to prevent a true playoff (like March madness) is to turn the regular season into a playoff. Super conferences whose conference championship game is a defacto quarterfinal, with the winner moving on to play in a semifinal (against the other conference champions). With 64 to 80 teams able to win the NC every year and a playoff (grant it, only including the 4 superconferences), the public would be happy and the current presidents of the top CFB universities would be too (keeping the money in house).

Now, the issue is who to invite into your conference? Rutgers is a land grant university, the flagship university of NJ, a TOP notch university, a HIGHLY ranked APR every year, in a state contiguous with the B1G, etc, etc, etc... And NJ is a densely populated state with a reach into NY City... Maryland - see above, add DC.

ALL universities that get added to the B1G will be similar to our recent additions (minus Nebraska's academics, plenty were upset about it, but culturally couldn't turn them away). PSU, Nebraska, Rutgers, Maryland... Whether or not small minds want to admit it, those are GREAT additions to a conference!!!

If we can add UNC and UVA, we will be DONE! If ND then comes begging (won't be begging publicly, but they may see the writing on the wall), we could add 3 more universities and stop at 20!

The BTN is only a PIECE of the puzzle! It is a large piece, but smaller than national reputation, academic achievement, AAU status, etc. NO other university with fringe academic qualities (like Nebraska... by the way, I LOVE that they're in the B1G) will be invited to the B1G!!!

A university has to be the entire package to get an invite!