lowiq wrote: the sec is the only conference that has no buy out clause, nobody has signed away their rights ect.

any team in the sec could leave tomorrow if they wanted with no penalty.

the only thing the conference has ever asked is all member schools be honest about their intentions.

if you want to leave let everyone know as soon as possible for scheduling purposes ect.

if missouri wanted to leave the sec for the big ten all they would have to do is contact everyone and let them know.

Anyone know if the B1G does have a buyout?

bank i dont know about a buyout with the big ten but have seen several posters talking about their granting of rights which commits them to the btn.

maybe kyle or someone knows about the exact situation.

i think there would be a considerable amount of backlash and bad pub for Mizzou and the B1G if a move were to happen. Mizzou appearing fickle and the sec war chanters would definitely call them chickens or not good enough for the sec but after the initial storm (which IMO would simply be an admission of the sec jealousy of B1G superiority) Mizzou would be happier in the B1G and would make a fine addition to our fine conference.

Needless to say, I hope it happens

sec fans would call missouri chickens if they left the sec for the big ten and IN YOUR OPINION that would simply be an admission of the sec jealousy of big superiority.

thats classic.

possibly the best thing i have ever seen on here.

im going to share that one but PROMISE to give you full credit.

great! Let me know if/when a B1G team defects for the sec

lowiq wrote: sec fans would call missouri chickens if they left the sec for the big ten and IN YOUR OPINION that would simply be an admission of the sec jealousy of big superiority.

thats classic.

possibly the best thing i have ever seen on here.

im going to share that one but PROMISE to give you full credit.

I'm not an expert, but I've read that the SEC is currently buying out the rights of the SEC teams so that they can have their own network, which is exactly what the B1G did. So I think the SEC's is now becoming the same as the B1G's as far as buyouts, Grants of Rights, etc.

lowiq wrote: bank i dont know about a buyout with the big ten but have seen several posters talking about their granting of rights which commits them to the btn.

maybe kyle or someone knows about the exact situation.

im sure they will have to do something if they are going to have the network with espn.

dont see anyway they would enter into something without some kind of legal protection.

will be interesting to see what they come up with since some of the teams third tier stuff is worth a lot more than others.

SUPPOSEDLY the thing is to start in 2014 so they will have to have things done fairly soon.

Mizzou thinking about moving to the Big Ten? Seriously?! This is the nonsense this thread has devolved into? I'm going back to following the WVU Twitter clowns. They make more sense.

B1G passed on Mizzou. That is not happening.

Kansas is higher on the pecking order if we are talking about a Plains school.

The Mizzou ship has sailed. They're in the SEC now, and likely pretty darn happy about it. Speculation about Mizzou is making the Dude of West Virginia guys seem like a genius.

Before Missouri went to the SEC, I did feel like Mizzou and KU would have been great fits for the Big Ten from the plains, with Rutgers and Syracuse from the Northeast. I'm sort of disappointed those pairings didn't happen. 

I suspect, and hope, that the Big Ten is taking a more deliberate look at demographic trends with prospective candidates. Population centers are shifting southeast, and states like Virginia and North Carolina will have a helluva lot more eyeballs in coming years.

I don't think it's a matter of protection. It's just necessary in order to be able to show the content on the BTN or the SEC Network. The schools have to give up their individual rights to broadcast the games in order for the network to be able to broadcast them. 

lowiq wrote: im sure they will have to do something if they are going to have the network with espn.

dont see anyway they would enter into something without some kind of legal protection.

will be interesting to see what they come up with since some of the teams third tier stuff is worth a lot more than others.

SUPPOSEDLY the thing is to start in 2014 so they will have to have things done fairly soon.

If I recall correctly,the B1G has had the GOR for quite some time.

Yes, Delany convinced the schools to grant their third tier TV rights to the conferences so that they could start the BTN.

WhatheBuck wrote: If I recall correctly,the B1G has had the GOR for quite some time.

WinchesterBUCK wrote: B1G passed on Mizzou. That is not happening.

Kansas is higher on the pecking order if we are talking about a Plains school.

Cincinnati is the only midwestern school the Big has a guaranteed shot at (from a BCS conference).  They obviously want Notre Dame.  They'll have to wait over a decade to attempt to pry Kansas loose, but by then the BIG 12 will already have a new tv contract on hand.

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WinchesterBUCK wrote: B1G passed on Mizzou. That is not happening.

Kansas is higher on the pecking order if we are talking about a Plains school.

Cincinnati is the only midwestern school the Big has a guaranteed shot at (from a BCS conference).  They obviously want Notre Dame.  They'll have to wait over a decade to attempt to pry Kansas loose, but by then the BIG 12 will already have a new tv contract on hand.

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Really? What does the GoR say? What are the terms?

DugHol wrote: Yes, Delany convinced the schools to grant their third tier TV rights to the conferences so that they could start the BTN.

WhatheBuck wrote: If I recall correctly,the B1G has had the GOR for quite some time.

Yep, Basically any inventory falls to the BTN that does not get picked up by the Networks the Big Ten has relationships with.  In the Big 12 their GOR was made so that they could get a deal with FOX.  One would assume since the schools still retain full "Tier 3" individual rights to anything that does not get picked up by the conference's contracts, that would mean that a school could leave the Big 12 and still bring whatever content to that conference that the Big 12's network partners do not take advantage of.  BIG difference between the Big 12's GoR and the Big Ten's. 

Basically a school like Kansas which does not get it's home football games played all that often on the Networks would be great for the Big Ten because Kansas home games would end up on the BTN quite often.  I am sure Kansas fans would love seeing their team play for once.  Usually they only see them on SportsCenter.  

A school like Texas though, their Home football games are very valuable and would hardly ever make it on the Big Ten Network.  That is the jist of how the Big 12's GoR is more affective upon some of the schools than some of the others. 

I am not very well educated on what Network contracts the Big 12 has for basketball but there are more games in basketball and I am sure the Big Ten would love to have available for it's contracts the games where Kansas visits the other Big Ten teams. 

Until SOMEONE can bring the Big 12 GoR forward and show that there is ANY punitive measures in it what so ever, then the above is all possible because it is just a tit for tat GoR contract where the Big 12 has Kansas's home game rights for their network contracts but any inventory of such that those networks do not use would then revert back to Kansas in Tier 3 fashion and sell in whatever way they wish.

The Big 12 has no Exit Fee so technically they could leave the Big 12 with very little cost. 

Don't try to start that debate with Big 12 folks though....oh my god they will lose it.  Their Belief in their GoR rivals most religions.

lowiq wrote: bank i dont know about a buyout with the big ten but have seen several posters talking about their granting of rights which commits them to the btn.

maybe kyle or someone knows about the exact situation.

The Big Ten also has a grant of rights, but I don't know the terms.

The Big XII contract guarantees only 1 home football game and 8 home men's basketball games. More can be added but that is all that is guaranteed. The problem is that the GOR would forbid (as I understand it) a defecting team from showing any of their games on a Big XII network partner and since the Big XII is signed on with Disney and Fox, that would take away all ABC/ESPiN networks and all Fox networks, perhaps including the BTN in whom Fox has an ownership stake.

Regardless, Kansas makes their money off their basketball program. No way in hell they change conferences so their basketball games could only be shown on their tier 3 network and maybe the BTN. That is program suicide.

coopercougar wrote: The Big XII contract guarantees only 1 home football game and 8 home men's basketball games. More can be added but that is all that is guaranteed. The problem is that the GOR would forbid (as I understand it) a defecting team from showing any of their games on a Big XII network partner and since the Big XII is signed on with Disney and Fox, that would take away all ABC/ESPiN networks and all Fox networks, perhaps including the BTN in whom Fox has an ownership stake.

Regardless, Kansas makes their money off their basketball program. No way in hell they change conferences so their basketball games could only be shown on their tier 3 network and maybe the BTN. That is program suicide.

First off, it is called away games.  That makes your second paragraph absolutely false.  Plenty of Kansas away games at other Big Ten locations would get Kansas games shown. 

Secondly there is no way there is such a punitive exit fee aspect to the GoR.  You say "as you understand it", have you read it or is that just what you were told?  Who told you then?  Been seeing a whole lot of "blind talk" about the Big 12 GoR and what it does and yet it is not free for anyone to read over.  In fact it is quite hard to get a hold of in order to read over.  If it was really that binding, why not let it be seen?  Why not come right out and say how it has an Exit Fee involved? 

The conference pays the school for their rights and in turn the conference sold it's overall value to the networks.  If a school leaves, that conference still has to PAY the school for the rights whether they use those rights or not.  If they choose to never televise any Kansas games then they may very well have a lawsuit on their hands for damages to the school.

Without a punitive back end to the GoR such as an exit fee, then it simply is a tit for tat contract where the schools gave their rights to the conference in order for it to get the best deal possible from the networks.  That does not suggest any kind of punitive action.

A conference network is too hard to pull of without a GOR.

If at anytime the B1G wanted Mizzou the B1G could have had Mizzou.
They were begging to get in even after the got the SEC invite.

The B1G doesn't want Mizzou.