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RE: All New Expansion Discussion HERE (Part 2)

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Posted: 2/1/2013 2:32 PM

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BuckyNut wrote: I have to say, this "Dude" guy is hilarious. Every other week the schools that have committed to joining the B1G changes. Although he's been pretty consistent with UVA...lol!
This is probably the 18th Monday something significant is supposed to happen with the Big Ten and an ACC team.

Posted: 2/1/2013 4:41 PM

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Yep, both finished 5-3 in conference, beating the bad teams they played and losing to the good teams.

Northwestern was a pretty good team last year.  Vandy wasn't bad either.  I do think Vandy got better as the year went on, and later might have given a better game to Northwestern, but as it stands the Big Ten won that matchup in 2012.
87falcon44 wrote: What's your point exactly? They both had the same conference record yet one was supposed to have come from a far superior conference and the other from a conference bottom dweller. Yet we are all supposed to be overwhelmed beyond all believe of SCar last second victory over scUM, both of which had the same conference record. So what is your point with your comment?

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Posted: 2/1/2013 6:37 PM

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KyleSLamb wrote: 
This is probably the 18th Monday something significant is supposed to happen with the Big Ten and an ACC team.
$1,000 says he has the Big Ten raiding the Pac 12 for Stanford and UCLA long before any other team actually moves.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 6:39 PM

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ragu18 wrote:
teeduck wrote: The Dude of WV @ theDudeofWV

@ ddamarketing It's FSU despite the lack of AAU membership. More on Monday.




FSU and UVA to B1G  per Dude, when Maryland case settles.





FSU isn't going to come to the Big 10 and be on an island.  The only way it works for them is to bring along a few more regional partners.  This would mean going to 18 or 20.  As a fan of them, I wouldn't want them to move unless a Southern pod is formed.
Well couldn't Rutgers Maryland UVA and Florida st be considered
a eastern pod? Or maybe Penn St FSU then 2 of Maryland UVA and Rutgers ? Moving the other to the Pod that would contain the Buckeyes just a thoughtnoidea

Posted: 2/1/2013 7:38 PM

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tim that would handicap fsu when they were recruiting.

if they were playing ohio state, michigan, nebraska, penn st every year that wouldnt be so bad to southern kids but sitting in a pod with rutgers, maryland and uva would be rough to get kids down here excited about.

with the big tens scheduling patterns it would end the last game of the year fsu-florida game and if the gators then dropped them from the schedule it would be tough for them to overcome.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 9:14 PM

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lowiq wrote:

if they were playing ohio state, michigan, nebraska, penn st every year that wouldnt be so bad to southern kids but sitting in a pod with rutgers, maryland and uva would be rough to get kids down here excited about.

 Please explain how that would be less exciting than FSU's current ACC Atlantic division opponents of Boston College, Maryland, and Wake Forest.


Posted: 2/1/2013 9:54 PM

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their recruiting area is florida, georgia, south carolina and north carolina mainly. probably 95% of their players are from those states.

they currently are in a conference with miami, georgia tech, clemson, unc, nc state and wake forest. they also play florida every season.

full saturation in their area.

right now they can recruit a kid from north carolina and tell them their family can drive easily to at least 2 games in north carolina and close by clemson and ga tech every other year. same with a kid from south carolina or north georgia.

will be a little harder sell telling mom she can drive up to virginia and maryland once every other year to see her baby.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 10:58 PM

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coopercougar wrote:
KyleSLamb wrote: 
This is probably the 18th Monday something significant is supposed to happen with the Big Ten and an ACC team.
$1,000 says he has the Big Ten raiding the Pac 12 for Stanford and UCLA long before any other team actually moves.
I think he'll stick with the ACC much in the way if you stick with heads, you're bound to get one right after 20 flips of the coin.

Posted: 2/1/2013 11:26 PM

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Since you guys are interested in FSU.

An interesting view from an FSU guy.  Have a look.

http://www.tomahawknation.com/2013/1/31/3936958/co nference-realignment-roundup

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Posted: 2/1/2013 11:42 PM

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What a load of crap this is. I just checked Florida State's official roster, and they have only one player from North Carolina and two from South Carolina on their roster. Meanwhile, they have five from New Jersey, one from Pennsylvania, one from Ohio, one from Minnesota, one from Maryland, and one from DC. 

They only have four from Alabama, three from Texas, and three from Mississippi. The rest are all from Georgia and Florida, (except one from Cal and one from Conn) but I doubt the B1G would take FSU without taking Georgia Tech.


lowiq wrote: their recruiting area is florida, georgia, south carolina and north carolina mainly. probably 95% of their players are from those states.

they currently are in a conference with miami, georgia tech, clemson, unc, nc state and wake forest. they also play florida every season.

full saturation in their area.

right now they can recruit a kid from north carolina and tell them their family can drive easily to at least 2 games in north carolina and close by clemson and ga tech every other year. same with a kid from south carolina or north georgia.

will be a little harder sell telling mom she can drive up to virginia and maryland once every other year to see her baby.

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Posted: 2/2/2013 8:42 AM

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doug the last few years they have had a good bit of turn over on their coaching staff and often new coaches will have some contacts where they came from and be able to bring in a few kids from that area.

ohio state might hire a coach from west texas that brings in some kids from there for a few years. that doesnt make it their natural recruiting area.

over the last 30 years fsu has focused on the 4 state area i mentioned.

with fisher they have worked alabama a little harder.

most of the time if they recruit a kid from outside of that area its because he initaited contact, came to a jr day ect.
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Posted: 2/2/2013 10:04 AM

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Here we go again: Probably!!

 

Sorry lowiq !! However I’m not going back 30 years (remember you telling me, this is a whole new different time frame) but I will go back eleven years and I agree that different coaches from different areas can effect recruiting areas as well.

 

So far this year not done yet; Florida St. has 18.

13 from Florida , 2-Alabama, 1 each, LA., VA., NY.

This is as close as to 95% they will get with 72% now and one or two more from the States lowiq mentioned they could reach 85%.

 

Since 2002 through 2012: Florida 262 recruits;

Florida : 147 (56%)

Georgia : 32 (12.2%)

North Carolina : 5 (2%)

South Carolina ; 5 (2%)

 

Total four States: 189 (72%) that’s not 95% but not bad, however only 3.8% come from South Carolina and North Carolina .

 

The above is who signed LOI on recruiting day; don’t know how many didn’t qualify or no shows plus walk-ons and transfers.

 

I could easily give you the number from each State, but that’s not the question, however, Texas with 10 and Alabama with 9 is Florida States biggest recruiting area other than Fl. and Georgia since 2002.

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Posted: 2/2/2013 10:44 AM

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va1bucksfan1 wrote:
lowiq wrote:

if they were playing ohio state, michigan, nebraska, penn st every year that wouldnt be so bad to southern kids but sitting in a pod with rutgers, maryland and uva would be rough to get kids down here excited about.

 Please explain how that would be less exciting than FSU's current ACC Atlantic division opponents of Boston College, Maryland, and Wake Forest.
Maryland is moving on for Louisville after one year.  That is a good Southern opponent.  Clemson and Miami in conference play plus NC State are others.  And they would have opportunity for crossovers with teams like Georgia Tech and North Carolina.  It is definitely better to play those teams and to be in a more Southern conference. 

As for the talk of recruiting grounds, FSU seems to go into Virginia/DC a lot more than the Carolinas.  The guy bringing up the grounds was just guessing rather than actually knowing anything.  Florida, Georgia and Alabama are probably the top 3 target states though.

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Posted: 2/2/2013 10:47 AM

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KyleSLamb wrote: 
I think he'll stick with the ACC much in the way if you stick with heads, you're bound to get one right after 20 flips of the coin.
Oh come on, you know Delaney has to be drooling over the California market.  That would get him LA and San Fran and make the Rose Bowl a Big Ten stadium.  Delaney doesn't even have to pop a little blue pill to get excited about that.

Posted: 2/2/2013 11:16 AM

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These are your words, LowIQ: 

lowiq wrote: their recruiting area is florida, georgia, south carolina and north carolina mainly. probably 95% of their players are from those states.


In fact, less than 2% of their players are from South Caroliina, and less than 1% are from North Carolina. Meanwhile, New Jersey alone has nearly 5% of their players. Thirteen states   (not including Georgia or Florida) each have as many FSU players as North Carolina does, and one of them is Minnesota. The Carolinas combine for about 3% of their players while those thirteen states not named Florida and Georgia combine for nearly 24% of their recruits. Nearly 13% of FSU players are from states north of the Carolinas, while only 3% are from the Carolinas.




lowiq wrote: their recruiting area is florida, georgia, south carolina and north carolina mainly. probably 95% of their players are from those states.

they currently are in a conference with miami, georgia tech, clemson, unc, nc state and wake forest. they also play florida every season.

full saturation in their area.

right now they can recruit a kid from north carolina and tell them their family can drive easily to at least 2 games in north carolina and close by clemson and ga tech every other year. same with a kid from south carolina or north georgia.

will be a little harder sell telling mom she can drive up to virginia and maryland once every other year to see her baby.

Posted: 2/2/2013 11:47 AM

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I'm beginning to think that B1G Network content, and strengthening the existing conference members are at the top of Delaney's to do list, well above moving into the southern states.  Virginia, along with Rutgers and Maryland, bring PSU's historical recruiting grounds into the conference.  Exposure in these states will help PSU rebound sooner rather than later, a big win for the conference (while gaining exposure for the rest of the B1G, also).  The move could also help to resurrect Virginia's football program, with more high-profile games and national exposure than they've ever had in the ACC. 

A school like Missouri would strengthen the rivalry with Illinois, and bring a traditional opponent of Nebraska into the conference (a plus for all 3 programs).  Would Missouri jump ship from the SEC, though, so soon after joining?  I think it's very possible.  The B1G Network is head and shoulders above any other network that's followed it, and the additional content would mean more live games and the accompanying advertising $$.  After 1 season in the SEC, it's clear that Missouri is a fish out of water.

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Posted: 2/2/2013 6:17 PM

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rayb678 wrote: I'm beginning to think that B1G Network content, and strengthening the existing conference members are at the top of Delaney's to do list, well above moving into the southern states.  Virginia, along with Rutgers and Maryland, bring PSU's historical recruiting grounds into the conference.  Exposure in these states will help PSU rebound sooner rather than later, a big win for the conference (while gaining exposure for the rest of the B1G, also).  The move could also help to resurrect Virginia's football program, with more high-profile games and national exposure than they've ever had in the ACC. 

A school like Missouri would strengthen the rivalry with Illinois, and bring a traditional opponent of Nebraska into the conference (a plus for all 3 programs).  Would Missouri jump ship from the SEC, though, so soon after joining?  I think it's very possible.  The B1G Network is head and shoulders above any other network that's followed it, and the additional content would mean more live games and the accompanying advertising $$.  After 1 season in the SEC, it's clear that Missouri is a fish out of water.
I don't think Missouri would jump. Not after being over looked when the Big brought in Nebraska, they thought for sure they would get an invite back than!!

They have played Big-Ten teams 109 times not including the 106 times they played Nebraska.

Posted: 2/2/2013 7:27 PM

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I think Missouri would strongly consider the B1G, IMO they're a much better cultural fit with the B1G.

All dealings would have to be back room, defcon level 5, secret handshake, retinal scan entry, ghost protocol level stuff that it would NEVER happen... Because the moment it got leaked to the SEC front offices, watch out!

Posted: 2/2/2013 7:37 PM

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buckEYEdr2B wrote: I think Missouri would strongly consider the B1G, IMO they're a much better cultural fit with the B1G.

All dealings would have to be back room, defcon level 5, secret handshake, retinal scan entry, ghost protocol level stuff that it would NEVER happen... Because the moment it got leaked to the SEC front offices, watch out!
What could the SEC do to the B1G??  Allow oversigning to go unchecked with existing members to win football games?  Unethical recruiting?  Let's hope that stuff never happens.  cool

Posted: 2/2/2013 7:43 PM

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the sec is the only conference that has no buy out clause, nobody has signed away their rights ect.

any team in the sec could leave tomorrow if they wanted with no penalty.

the only thing the conference has ever asked is all member schools be honest about their intentions.

if you want to leave let everyone know as soon as possible for scheduling purposes ect.

if missouri wanted to leave the sec for the big ten all they would have to do is contact everyone and let them know.noidea
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