BuckyNut wrote: It's funny but this is the only site that I can find for expansion talk.  It seems like everybody else is just ignoring it, don't want to talk about it or complaining about it (North Carolina site - too funny).

Any updates from all you "in the know"?  Any new chatter?

WinchesterBUCK wrote:

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--- BuffaloLion wrote:

The "chatter" is that Delany has been a very busy boy today. 

North Carolina has jumped over Virginia as team number 15 because they prefer the Big 10's academics over the SEC. I'm sure their fans aren't happy to hear that. And truthfully, neither am I. I prefer Virginia. But they, and or Duke, would be 17 or 18. The SEC wants VTech.  

North Carolina would be paired with either GTech or............ Texas. Apparently, Texas has contacted Delany and "communicated interest". I have heard "rumors" that their GOR is written in a way that gives them an out. I have no idea if that's true, but even if it is, there is the LHN issue to work out.

FOX is guiding Delany during the expansion process, and it would be interesting to see if they would be willing to somehow take over ESPN's money losing LHN contract, and work it into a BTN 2.

Anyway, that's a nutshell overview as we speak (subject to change of course). 

BuckyNut wrote: It's funny but this is the only site that I can find for expansion talk.  It seems like everybody else is just ignoring it, don't want to talk about it or complaining about it (North Carolina site - too funny).

Any updates from all you "in the know"?  Any new chatter?

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This is what I've been hearing and reading as well. UNC and GT are next, and soon. UVA will get invite once another ACC team leaves for another conference and ND wants in.

BuckyNut wrote: I've stopped in on the Hive but didn't find a whole lot unless it was under the Big 12 expansion thread? The last page was a little off topic to say the least...lol.

KyleSLamb wrote:

WinchesterBUCK wrote:

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--- BuffaloLion wrote:

The "chatter" is that Delany has been a very busy boy today. 

North Carolina has jumped over Virginia as team number 15 because they prefer the Big 10's academics over the SEC. I'm sure their fans aren't happy to hear that. And truthfully, neither am I. I prefer Virginia. But they, and or Duke, would be 17 or 18. The SEC wants VTech.  

North Carolina would be paired with either GTech or............ Texas. Apparently, Texas has contacted Delany and "communicated interest". I have heard "rumors" that their GOR is written in a way that gives them an out. I have no idea if that's true, but even if it is, there is the LHN issue to work out.

FOX is guiding Delany during the expansion process, and it would be interesting to see if they would be willing to somehow take over ESPN's money losing LHN contract, and work it into a BTN 2.

Anyway, that's a nutshell overview as we speak (subject to change of course). 

BuckyNut wrote: It's funny but this is the only site that I can find for expansion talk.  It seems like everybody else is just ignoring it, don't want to talk about it or complaining about it (North Carolina site - too funny).

Any updates from all you "in the know"?  Any new chatter?

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This is what I've been hearing and reading as well. UNC and GT are next, and soon. UVA will get invite once another ACC team leaves for another conference and ND wants in.

Where are these things being posted today? 

I still don't believe for a second that UNC will be the first to jump. I've no doubt they'll prefer the Big Ten over the SEC at some point, but I don't believe they'll leave before Virginia or Georgia Tech.

KyleSLamb wrote: I am asking everyone a favor... please do not bring anything MHVer3 says over to this board. If he says it, immediately discredit it and don't bother posting it here. He's swung and miss literally hundreds of times already. It's time to stop using his 'info.'

And if for some reason you feel compelled to use him as a source, at least give full disclosure that's where it is coming from so everyone else can immediately choose to ignore it.

KyleSLamb wrote: I am asking everyone a favor... please do not bring anything MHVer3 says over to this board. If he says it, immediately discredit it and don't bother posting it here. He's swung and miss literally hundreds of times already. It's time to stop using his 'info.'

And if for some reason you feel compelled to use him as a source, at least give full disclosure that's where it is coming from so everyone else can immediately choose to ignore it.

BuffaloLion wrote: Kyle. What sold me on MHVer3 was his detailed financial breakdown of the 4 team playoff/bowl distribution payouts and percentages before they went public last spring/summer. He was amazingly spot on. He was spot on predicting the Penn State lawsuit last week and that it might be the beginning of the end of the NCAA's control of the FBS.

If someone on your Expansion Thread makes a request to be informed of any "chatter" that's out there like BuckyNut did, I don't see how you can NOT include MHVer3 as a possible source. After all, he's asking about "chatter", not confirmed facts. I think most of us take most of what we read on these Boards with a grain of salt. But I DO think MHVer3 has more contacts and access to interesting info than most. Much of what he has said has checked out.

I guess we can agree to disagree on him (plus, the guy cracks me up sometimes).    

KyleSLamb wrote: I am asking everyone a favor... please do not bring anything MHVer3 says over to this board. If he says it, immediately discredit it and don't bother posting it here. He's swung and miss literally hundreds of times already. It's time to stop using his 'info.'

And if for some reason you feel compelled to use him as a source, at least give full disclosure that's where it is coming from so everyone else can immediately choose to ignore it.

coopercougar wrote: This.  The "Texas talking to the Big Ten" rumors are being propagated by these idiots.  These WVU clowns are still buzzing off the New Year's moonshine and just going full retard on the Twitters.

BuffaloLion wrote: Actually, MHver3 said the Texas to Big 10 rumor was bunk. And I agree. That doesn't mean that Dodds didn't make a call.

There are too many issues to be ironed out with Texas (LHN Contract, GOR, etc.). Even if Dodds DID communicate interest, that's a LOOOONG way from joining.

Stuff has leaked out of Kansas that the GOR can be worked out. Only people with access to the actual contract can answer that question. We know one thing for sure. Delany will never, EVER challange it. He has one of his own to protect. I doubt we will be adding any Big 12 teams in the near future. 

bankone wrote: Expansion is not happening in a vacuum..
I think the O'bannon case and the PA. lawsuit vs. NCAA will hasten this process.  The NCAA will learn it cannot make money off of the images of athletes and find out they overstepped their Boundaries with PSU (not saying PSU not guilty but far from it) and the Big football schools will pull out of the NCAAand form their own super conferences and forcing them all to make their own rules re: scholarships, cheating etc.  It may be under an umbrella of sorts of the NCAA to keep their "amatuer status" but they will have to enforce their own rules.

BigMen wrote:

BuffaloLion wrote: The "chatter" is that Delany has been a very busy boy today. 

North Carolina has jumped over Virginia as team number 15 because they prefer the Big 10's academics over the SEC. I'm sure their fans aren't happy to hear that. And truthfully, neither am I. I prefer Virginia. But they, and or Duke, would be 17 or 18. The SEC wants VTech.  

North Carolina would be paired with either GTech or............ Texas. Apparently, Texas has contacted Delany and "communicated interest". I have heard "rumors" that their GOR is written in a way that gives them an out. I have no idea if that's true, but even if it is, there is the LHN issue to work out.

FOX is guiding Delany during the expansion process, and it would be interesting to see if they would be willing to somehow take over ESPN's money losing LHN contract, and work it into a BTN 2.

Anyway, that's a nutshell overview as we speak (subject to change of course). 

BuckyNut wrote: It's funny but this is the only site that I can find for expansion talk.  It seems like everybody else is just ignoring it, don't want to talk about it or complaining about it (North Carolina site - too funny).

Any updates from all you "in the know"?  Any new chatter?

Take this to the bank. Texas is next followed by Notre dame and then USC will be number 18. I also just heard that Jesus has called and begged to join; we told him that we will get back to him when we get good and ready. God would crawl on his hands and knees to be number 20, but the Big 10 has a couple of problems with God being admitted. He is not a member of the AAU, and he actually created the south where that lowly, cheating, backwards SEC resides. It's bad enough that he created the SEC but then he let's them beat our ass every year, so he's probably out.

I have 0 practical knowledge about expansion. But if enough people leave the ACC - does the exit fee become null and void? 

Or I've also heard the exit fees are impractical in the sense that the conference has to prove damages. If the ACC keeps replacing exiting ACC teams with Big East teams (especially if the Big collapses/dissolves) than isn't it a stretch for any one single team to get pegged down for any damages? 

Ollangger wrote: Meh..... still think everything hinges on the Maryland exit fee..


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--- Neilliam2 wrote:

This is unconfirmed but I was told last night the Big 10 has settled on UNC & UVA and will move to invite them both in a few days.


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crzykillernut wrote:

I have 0 practical knowledge about expansion. But if enough people leave the ACC - does the exit fee become null and void? 

If enough teams left, I'd imagine the league would simply dissolve, and, there'd be nobody left to collect the fees.

Or I've also heard the exit fees are impractical in the sense that the conference has to prove damages. If the ACC keeps replacing exiting ACC teams with Big East teams (especially if the Big collapses/dissolves) than isn't it a stretch for any one single team to get pegged down for any damages? 

Pedigree part of pitch for Fox Sports 1

By John Ourand, Staff Writer

Published November 26, 2012, Page 1

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Fox Sports actively is positioning Fox Sports 1 to sports industry insiders, and the message is clear: We have the pedigree to compete with ESPN where others do not. 

Network officials have been showing league and conference executives a “sizzle reel” that offers detailed plans about the company’s forthcoming all-sports channel.

Sources who have seen the five- to 10-minute-long video describe it as slickly produced and say it provides the clearest sign yet that Fox plans to rebrand its motorsports channel Speed, which is in 81 million homes, into Fox Sports 1 and launch by August.

Fox executives have not formally announced its plans around the channel.

But the promotional piece shows that Fox is far along in its planning for the channel, which it is positioning as a potential competitor to ESPN. The main theme is that, unlike others, Fox has the background to compete against the sports behemoth. Among examples: It highlights Fox as the company that broke the ABC/CBS/NBC broadcast TV monopoly in 1986 to launch its own TV network. It also points to Fox News, which launched in 1996 against a dominant CNN.

To underscore the notion that Fox Sports 1 plans to compete with ESPN, sources say the video includes a focus group of mostly men talking about their desire to have a competitor to ESPN. They complain about its perceived East Coast bias and programming like the ESPYs, sources say. When asked which network is best suited to offer competition, each answers “Fox.”


Sources say the video focuses on the channel’s live-game programming, which will come from rights deals with MLB, NASCAR, college basketball and football, soccer and UFC.

In addition to live games, the video talks about studio programming, mentioning a potential show hosted by Jay Glazer and another one described as a late-night alternative to “SportsCenter.”

League executives were especially intrigued by a plan that would run in-game advertising as part of a “double box” — an ad that runs in a box on-screen alongside the event footage, even during timeouts and other stoppages. When a game goes to commercial, a second box will pop up showing the ads, with video from the stadium or arena in a smaller box still on the screen.

League executives were told the channel will launch in August, but they expect its big coming-out party to be the following January, the week before Super Bowl XLVIII in New York.

Fox Sports holds the rights to that game and the video says Fox Sports 1 plans to carry several New York-based events in the run-up to the game. It’s impossible to confirm the events so far in advance, but the sizzle reel specifically mentions college basketball games, a U.S. women’s national soccer team game from Yankee Stadium and a UFC event from the Prudential Center, sources said.

At a sports media conference in New York this month, Fox Sports co-President Eric Shanks said Fox had no plans to formally announce the channel any time soon. “The leadership at Fox, Chase [Carey] and Rupert [Murdoch], have been big believers in sports driving value for a really long time,” he said. “We have conversations all the time about what’s the best mix of programming and the portfolio, the names of channels. Still, I think that we’re in that process of deciding what’s the best thing to do.”

SCUMbuster wrote: Wasn't initially sold on the idea of GaTech joining the B1G but am warming up to it. Any combination of UVa, UNC, GaTech would be good. FSU needs to up their academics to be a good fit but we took UNeb last year so who's to say Delany & Co. won't make a similar exception for FSU? Good all-around athletic department. If we get all four can you imagine the B1G going up and down the Eastern seaboard?? Crazy!!

While those additions sound nice and all, color me skeptical. None of those teams drew consistently large crowds (outside of FSU) by B1G standards, and I don't think throwing them into a B1G stew is going to fix that problem.

Yes, having OSU/Michigan/Penn State/Nebraska visiting them will help drive audiences, but I don't see anyone from the rest of the B1G (including Rutgers & Maryland) doing much to add enthusiasm for seeing these games. Ditto for adding UVA and UNC. Yes, they add TV sets and AAU memberships, but they don't bring a great deal of anything else. There is a reason that the ACC has a really bad TV contract, and a lot of it has to do with the lack of local enthusiasm (compared to the SEC and the B1G fan bases).

Of course I could be 200% wrong, and will be glad to be if it means these ACC schools find B1G/SEC-style fan enthusiasm, but IMO, cultural changes don't just happen like that.