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All New Expansion Discussion HERE (Part 2)
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Posted: 12/12/2012 2:49 PM
All New Expansion Discussion HERE (Part 2)
All New Expansion Discussion HERE Part 1 can be found: HERE
Last edited 12/12/2012 2:51 PM by andmichiganstillsucks
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Posted: 12/12/2012 3:06 PM
Re: All New Expansion Discussion HERE (Part 2)
In b4 someone reference Purple Blue Cat
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Posted: 12/12/2012 3:08 PM
RE: All New Expansion Discussion HERE (Part 2)
Good news, Rutgers and Maryland fans, your schools will be joining the Big Ten in 2014, bringing a nice influx of that cold hard cash into your athletic departments. It's just too bad you might not be able to watch all of their games once they've joined the Big Ten.
Yes, that's right, according to the Sports Business Journal, the Big Ten is considering keeping Maryland and Rutgers games -- both football and basketball -- off of its own Big Ten Network in an effort to get local cable companies to place the network on their basic tiers.
Just another reminder that conferene realignment is about nothing more than eyeballs staring at televisions, which produces money whether those eyeballs know it or not.
At the moment the Big Ten Network is available in the home markets of both Maryland and Rutgers, but it's located on sports tiers that are optional to cable subscribers. However, at the moment cable subscribers outside the Big Ten market are paying about 15 cents a month for the network. Once the network hits the basic package and the markets are in the Big Ten's market, that jumps up to 80 cents a month.
So that means for every million cable subscribers in those markets -- subscribers, not people actually watching the Big Ten Network, just those with cable -- the Big Ten will make an additional $650,000 a month, or $7.8 million a year.
Between New York City, New Jersey, Baltimore and Washington D.C. there are roughly 18.1 million people. If only 50% of those people have cable that's nearly $5.9 million a month for the Big Ten Network.
So if you still had any questions about why the Big Ten would choose Rutgers and Maryland, it's probably a bit clearer now.
Also, this is not the first time the Big Ten has used such tactics, as it threatened to do the same thing with Nebraska before it joined the conference as well. Of course, there wasn't much resistance from the cable companies in Nebraska as their customer base would not have been happy without their Cornhusker games available on television.
However, it will be pretty interesting to see whether or not New York cable companies even bat an eye when threatened with the possibility of losing Rutgers games.
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Posted: 12/12/2012 3:13 PM
RE: All New Expansion Discussion HERE (Part 2)
WinchesterBUCK wrote: Good news, Rutgers and Maryland fans, your schools will be joining the Big Ten in 2014, bringing a nice influx of that cold hard cash into your athletic departments. It's just too bad you might not be able to watch all of their games once they've joined the Big Ten.
Yes, that's right, according to the Sports Business Journal, the Big Ten is considering keeping Maryland and Rutgers games -- both football and basketball -- off of its own Big Ten Network in an effort to get local cable companies to place the network on their basic tiers.
Just another reminder that conferene realignment is about nothing more than eyeballs staring at televisions, which produces money whether those eyeballs know it or not.
At the moment the Big Ten Network is available in the home markets of both Maryland and Rutgers, but it's located on sports tiers that are optional to cable subscribers. However, at the moment cable subscribers outside the Big Ten market are paying about 15 cents a month for the network. Once the network hits the basic package and the markets are in the Big Ten's market, that jumps up to 80 cents a month.
So that means for every million cable subscribers in those markets -- subscribers, not people actually watching the Big Ten Network, just those with cable -- the Big Ten will make an additional $650,000 a month, or $7.8 million a year.
Between New York City, New Jersey, Baltimore and Washington D.C. there are roughly 18.1 million people. If only 50% of those people have cable that's nearly $5.9 million a month for the Big Ten Network.
So if you still had any questions about why the Big Ten would choose Rutgers and Maryland, it's probably a bit clearer now.
Also, this is not the first time the Big Ten has used such tactics, as it threatened to do the same thing with Nebraska before it joined the conference as well. Of course, there wasn't much resistance from the cable companies in Nebraska as their customer base would not have been happy without their Cornhusker games available on television.
However, it will be pretty interesting to see whether or not New York cable companies even bat an eye when threatened with the possibility of losing Rutgers games. Considering that Fox owns both the BTN and the YES (Yankees) network, Im guessing a bundle would pretty much guarantee they are added quickly.
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Posted: 12/12/2012 3:13 PM
RE: All New Expansion Discussion HERE (Part 2)
You could at least credit the source that your post came directly from.... www.cbssports.com/collegefootb...and-off-network--------------------------------------------- --- WinchesterBUCK wrote: Good news, Rutgers and Maryland fans, your schools will be joining the Big Ten in 2014, bringing a nice influx of that cold hard cash into your athletic departments. It's just too bad you might not be able to watch all of their games once they've joined the Big Ten. Yes, that's right, according to the Sports Business Journal, the Big Ten is considering keeping Maryland and Rutgers games -- both football and basketball -- off of its own Big Ten Network in an effort to get local cable companies to place the network on their basic tiers. Just another reminder that conferene realignment is about nothing more than eyeballs staring at televisions, which produces money whether those eyeballs know it or not. At the moment the Big Ten Network is available in the home markets of both Maryland and Rutgers, but it's located on sports tiers that are optional to cable subscribers. However, at the moment cable subscribers outside the Big Ten market are paying about 15 cents a month for the network. Once the network hits the basic package and the markets are in the Big Ten's market, that jumps up to 80 cents a month. So that means for every million cable subscribers in those markets -- subscribers, not people actually watching the Big Ten Network, just those with cable -- the Big Ten will make an additional $650,000 a month, or $7.8 million a year. Between New York City, New Jersey, Baltimore and Washington D.C. there are roughly 18.1 million people. If only 50% of those people have cable that's nearly $5.9 million a month for the Big Ten Network. So if you still had any questions about why the Big Ten would choose Rutgers and Maryland, it's probably a bit clearer now. Also, this is not the first time the Big Ten has used such tactics, as it threatened to do the same thing with Nebraska before it joined the conference as well. Of course, there wasn't much resistance from the cable companies in Nebraska as their customer base would not have been happy without their Cornhusker games available on television. However, it will be pretty interesting to see whether or not New York cable companies even bat an eye when threatened with the possibility of losing Rutgers games. ---------------------------------------------
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Posted: 12/12/2012 3:18 PM
Re: All New Expansion Discussion HERE (Part 2)
To the loud and obnoxious UNC fans on here or other threads. I don't want to see UNC in the BIG, never have, and there are plenty of us.
UNC is a Basketball - Women's Soccer school who dreams big of football relevance. Football is second tier to hoops in your state - prep athletes. Your population is substantially less than Fl, Tx or Ca where actual football powers exist: UT, Stanford, USC, FSU, Miami (once upon a time) and Fl. NC is congested with FBS schools. UNC has never won a NC in football. You are not a sleeping giant as so many of your delusional fans suggest. Going to the SEC will only make you less relevant.
You seem to have a Tx complex, which doesn't serve you purposefully, because UT has football history to boast, and far better prep football in a more populated state. The proximity of Chapel Hill to NC State, East Carolina, WF, Duke = too saturated. Your neighbors to the South, East, and North have better per capita football recruits on average. Stick with basketball.
Stay in the ACC or join the SEC. At least in the SEC you'll have a better chance of remaining dominant in hoops - a BIG membership will bring you down to earth, as if IU hasn't whooped Carolina enough in games that matter - a gap that will only widen as Williams gets older and Crean remains in Bloomington. Has anyone ever noticed why KU, Ky, Duke & UNC have so many basketball wins? They play in conferences where the bottom two thirds have lackluster hoops history.
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Posted: 12/12/2012 4:10 PM
RE: All New Expansion Discussion HERE (Part 2)
buckEYEdr2B wrote: You could at least credit the source that your post came directly from.... www.cbssports.com/collegefootb...and-off-network
--------------------------------------------- --- WinchesterBUCK wrote:
Good news, Rutgers and Maryland fans, your schools will be joining the Big Ten in 2014, bringing a nice influx of that cold hard cash into your athletic departments. It's just too bad you might not be able to watch all of their games once they've joined the Big Ten.
Yes, that's right, according to the Sports Business Journal, the Big Ten is considering keeping Maryland and Rutgers games -- both football and basketball -- off of its own Big Ten Network in an effort to get local cable companies to place the network on their basic tiers.
Just another reminder that conferene realignment is about nothing more than eyeballs staring at televisions, which produces money whether those eyeballs know it or not.
At the moment the Big Ten Network is available in the home markets of both Maryland and Rutgers, but it's located on sports tiers that are optional to cable subscribers. However, at the moment cable subscribers outside the Big Ten market are paying about 15 cents a month for the network. Once the network hits the basic package and the markets are in the Big Ten's market, that jumps up to 80 cents a month.
So that means for every million cable subscribers in those markets -- subscribers, not people actually watching the Big Ten Network, just those with cable -- the Big Ten will make an additional $650,000 a month, or $7.8 million a year.
Between New York City, New Jersey, Baltimore and Washington D.C. there are roughly 18.1 million people. If only 50% of those people have cable that's nearly $5.9 million a month for the Big Ten Network.
So if you still had any questions about why the Big Ten would choose Rutgers and Maryland, it's probably a bit clearer now.
Also, this is not the first time the Big Ten has used such tactics, as it threatened to do the same thing with Nebraska before it joined the conference as well. Of course, there wasn't much resistance from the cable companies in Nebraska as their customer base would not have been happy without their Cornhusker games available on television.
However, it will be pretty interesting to see whether or not New York cable companies even bat an eye when threatened with the possibility of losing Rutgers games.
--------------------------------------------- I cut/pasted from another poster's post, there was no source on it. Thank gawd we have you to save the day.
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Posted: 12/12/2012 5:05 PM
RE: All New Expansion Discussion HERE (Part 2)
These threads would be great if it were updates for rumors, news, etc instead of just pure rampant speculation of "what would I do if I were Delaney" by 6 people.
Just a thought.
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Posted: 12/12/2012 5:51 PM
RE: All New Expansion Discussion HERE (Part 2)
Buckifaithful wrote: These threads would be great if it were updates for rumors, news, etc instead of just pure rampant speculation of "what would I do if I were Delaney" by 6 people.
Just a thought. I fully agree with you. At this present time, based on taking in Rutgers and UMD and two sound articles written 2.5 years ago (quoting one person who has been the only person correct about B1G expansion), the B1G is aiming east. That pretty much leaves Syracuse, UConn, BC, UNC and UVA. I'd have to think the most likely additions are UVA and UConn. That source quoted even said UConn would round out the Big Sixteen. UVA and UConn are both members of somewhat of a global version of the AAU called Unversitas 21. Only members in the United States. Here's two articles. http://voices.yahoo.com/big-te...048.html?cat=14
http://voices.yahoo.com/big-te...694.html?cat=14 We do have a nice football stadium that has plans in place to be expanded to 50K+. Half the conference would get to come to this area not once but twice a year. The other half would get to come once every year. I understand expansion is driven by money. C'est la vie. I'll just say UConn and the southern New England and whole tri-state (NYC metropolis) regions are not regrettable additions. Rutgers doesn't have that much more a pull than us in NYC. We clearly have way more a pull in NYC than Rutgers in college basketball. We also reach into others areas in New England.
Last edited 12/12/2012 9:40 PM by Butchy
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Posted: 12/12/2012 6:11 PM
RE: All New Expansion Discussion HERE (Part 2)
Buckifaithful wrote: These threads would be great if it were updates for rumors, news, etc instead of just pure rampant speculation of "what would I do if I were Delaney" by 6 people.
Just a thought. Agreed, though the rumor mill has gone quiet lately. I'm impressed that we actually reached the cap on the last thread about this. Good work, I guess? The closest thing I've seen to a rumor lately follows, but it's not much to go on: ( Part 1) Got an email from my source in Austin. He read my tweet where I said I didn't expect movement until after the bowls were done..... (Part 2).....he said no one is waiting on the bowls or for the Maryland exit fee amount. Things could happen soon. @ dsbland Most likely B10 grabbing 2 more ACC schools because ND turns down their ultimatum to be a full member or forever miss your chance.
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Posted: 12/12/2012 6:46 PM
RE: All New Expansion Discussion HERE (Part 2)
does anyone else sort of get the feeling that delany chasing after notre dame has almost gotten to the point of captain ahab chasing moby dick?
i understand the points made about the btn and potential profits ect, ect, ect. but what happens if notre dame DOESNT come and texas or north carolina dont come?
you may have changed the big tens history forever for maryland, rutgers, uconn and boston college?
i could have loaned you some money till the first of the month.
he may pull a rabbit out of his hat before the final curtain but right now things look awfully iffy for such a big change.
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Posted: 12/12/2012 7:01 PM
RE: All New Expansion Discussion HERE (Part 2)
--------------------------------------------- --- WinchesterBUCK wrote:
I cut/pasted from another poster's post, there was no source on it. Thank gawd we have you to save the day.
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Sorry... I guess I should have scoured the Internet to link to the poor schmuck you plagiarized, pointing out that he plagiarized CBSsports.com... So for that, I am sorry.
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Posted: 12/12/2012 10:19 PM
Re: All New Expansion Discussion HERE (Part 2)
sunflowerpetsounds wrote: To the loud and obnoxious UNC fans on here or other threads. I don't want to see UNC in the BIG, never have, and there are plenty of us.
UNC is a Basketball - Women's Soccer school who dreams big of football relevance. Football is second tier to hoops in your state - prep athletes. Your population is substantially less than Fl, Tx or Ca where actual football powers exist: UT, Stanford, USC, FSU, Miami (once upon a time) and Fl. NC is congested with FBS schools. UNC has never won a NC in football. You are not a sleeping giant as so many of your delusional fans suggest. Going to the SEC will only make you less relevant.
You seem to have a Tx complex, which doesn't serve you purposefully, because UT has football history to boast, and far better prep football in a more populated state. The proximity of Chapel Hill to NC State, East Carolina, WF, Duke = too saturated. Your neighbors to the South, East, and North have better per capita football recruits on average. Stick with basketball.
Stay in the ACC or join the SEC. At least in the SEC you'll have a better chance of remaining dominant in hoops - a BIG membership will bring you down to earth, as if IU hasn't whooped Carolina enough in games that matter - a gap that will only widen as Williams gets older and Crean remains in Bloomington. Has anyone ever noticed why KU, Ky, Duke & UNC have so many basketball wins? They play in conferences where the bottom two thirds have lackluster hoops history. That is some serious trolling. 
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Posted: 12/12/2012 11:49 PM
Let's Do The Math.
WinchesterBUCK wrote: Good news, Rutgers and Maryland fans, your schools will be joining the Big Ten in 2014, bringing a nice influx of that cold hard cash into your athletic departments. It's just too bad you might not be able to watch all of their games once they've joined the Big Ten.
Yes, that's right, according to the Sports Business Journal, the Big Ten is considering keeping Maryland and Rutgers games -- both football and basketball -- off of its own Big Ten Network in an effort to get local cable companies to place the network on their basic tiers.
Just another reminder that conferene realignment is about nothing more than eyeballs staring at televisions, which produces money whether those eyeballs know it or not.
At the moment the Big Ten Network is available in the home markets of both Maryland and Rutgers, but it's located on sports tiers that are optional to cable subscribers. However, at the moment cable subscribers outside the Big Ten market are paying about 15 cents a month for the network. Once the network hits the basic package and the markets are in the Big Ten's market, that jumps up to 80 cents a month.
So that means for every million cable subscribers in those markets -- subscribers, not people actually watching the Big Ten Network, just those with cable -- the Big Ten will make an additional $650,000 a month, or $7.8 million a year.
Between New York City, New Jersey, Baltimore and Washington D.C. there are roughly 18.1 million people. If only 50% of those people have cable that's nearly $5.9 million a month for the Big Ten Network.
So if you still had any questions about why the Big Ten would choose Rutgers and Maryland, it's probably a bit clearer now.
Also, this is not the first time the Big Ten has used such tactics, as it threatened to do the same thing with Nebraska before it joined the conference as well. Of course, there wasn't much resistance from the cable companies in Nebraska as their customer base would not have been happy without their Cornhusker games available on television.
However, it will be pretty interesting to see whether or not New York cable companies even bat an eye when threatened with the possibility of losing Rutgers games. so lets do the math, using the numbers in the article. . NJ has 3,180,854 households (US census) figure 85% take at least an expanded basic or equal level of cable or satellite. (some still get tv off air, some subscribe to only limited basic, which is mostly local channels for about $12 mo.). 3,180,854 X .85 = 2,703,726 households subscribing to at least an expanded basic or equivalent level of pay tv. 2,703,726 X $0.80 = $2,162,980 per mo X 12 = $25,955,760 per yr from NJ for BTN after adding RU. before expansion (per the article) BTN got about $.15 per mo per sub. 2,703,726 X $0.15 = $405,559 per mo X 12= $4,866,708 for BTN from NJ before adding RU $25,955,760 minus $4,866,708 = $21,089,052 per yr net gain for BTN by adding RU. the league gets 49% of that, (News Corp/Fox gets 51%). $21,089,052 X 0.49 = $10,333,635 per yr gain for the league by adding RU with 13 schools, thats an extra $794,895 per school per yr. from adding RU. most recent numbers available show each B10 school got $24.6 mil from B10 revenue sharing, so the worth of a share is $24.6 mil. by going from 12 to 13 shares, each school loses about 7.692% of the pot from giving out an extra share. $24,600,000 (worth of a share) X 0.07692 = $1,892,232 per school per yr loss from going from 12 to 13 cuts of the pie. $1,892,232 (loss from expanding the number of shares) minus $794,895 (per school BTN gain from adding RU) = $1,097,337 the net per school per yr loss from adding RU. so adding RU means a $1,097,337 per yr per school net loss. WHAT ABOUT Md? Md has fewer households than NJ, so the loss from Md is even greater. (you're welcome to do the math). WHAT ABOUT NYC? NYC ain't putting BTN on basic at going basic rates. NOT HAPPENING! (and YES network won't help, so don't even go there). if BTN gets on Time Warner and Cablevision in NYC, it will be because BTN gave it to them for free, or paid them to put it on expanded basic. it's not getting on in DC either, and even if you added DC households to Md households, you still have less households than NJ. (check the census if you don't believe me). WELL, WE'LL JUST RENEGOTIATE EVERYTHING AND HOPE TO FIX IT THAT WAY. so now we're destroying a 100 plus yr old conference with established rivalries in hopes we can salvage things through wishful thinking renegotiations with entities that are declaring war on sports rights fees. (looked at your cable bill lately?) "DELANY KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING. HE'S A GENIUS"! ya, he's making himself even more powerful than he was. and all CEO types are geniuses, til they're not! don't shoot the messenger please.
Last edited 12/12/2012 11:51 PM by rocknhoops
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Posted: 12/13/2012 12:24 AM
RE: All New Expansion Discussion HERE (Part 2)
Big East basketball schools have a decision coming in 24-48 hours about their future. ESPN is reporting that it would be an "upset" if they do not elect to leave.
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Posted: 12/13/2012 1:18 AM
RE: All New Expansion Discussion HERE (Part 2)
If you're following tuxedoyoda on Twitter, stop. I'm pretty sure he is just one of the many personalities of a WVU fan. Dude has too many screws loose to be a credible source. Just my opinion.
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Posted: 12/13/2012 1:23 AM
RE: All New Expansion Discussion HERE (Part 2)
KyleSLamb wrote: Big East basketball schools have a decision coming in 24-48 hours about their future. ESPN is reporting that it would be an "upset" if they do not elect to leave. This is going to be very interesting....
If you dont think your team should have lost, have your team play better!
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Posted: 12/13/2012 1:34 AM
RE: All New Expansion Discussion HERE (Part 2)
It'll certainly spark another round of rumors. --------------------------------------------- --- g0d1am wrote: KyleSLamb wrote: Big East basketball schools have a decision coming in 24-48 hours about their future. ESPN is reporting that it would be an "upset" if they do not elect to leave. This is going to be very interesting.... ---------------------------------------------
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Posted: 12/13/2012 1:39 AM
Re: All New Expansion Discussion HERE (Part 2)
Hopefully FSU and GT are on the radar, especially if FSU is working towards AAU status. The ACC could still survive as the new Big Least, but I think UNC and Virginia would be begging for a B1G invite if FSU and GT joined. Their finances would be hit hard. Despite UNC's redneck fans, their administrations would choose the B1G over the SEC any day of the week.
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Posted: 12/13/2012 2:23 AM
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rayb678 wrote:Despite UNC's redneck fans You certainly know how to sweet talk a girl, don't ya?
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