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Re: Bowl games locations... wake up

Posted: 12/9/2012 2:00 PM

Re: Bowl games locations... wake up 


"NCAA looked the other way"

This is the biggest college football myth alive. Honest question, why in the world would the NCAA protect Auburn? Very serious question. You can hate Auburn all you want and that is fine, but, honestly, why would the NCAA protect Auburn? I promise you that the NCAA wanted to find something on Auburn so bad because of all of the media BS (OSU fans should be as familiar with this as any fan base). They gave Auburn a 13 month anal probe. And I promise you this current investigation will come up with MINOR violations, if any. I know many on here won't believe this, but Auburn has a rival institution who absolutely wants wants Auburn to not only not succeed, but to actually cease to exist. Bear Bryant used to have a saying...."The NCAA was in Tuscaloosa today...expect Auburn to go on probation tomorrow." Auburn does not have a rival like most schools....Auburn has a stalker (updyke, Finebaum, Sheridan). Name another school that has to deal with a rival like Auburn does.

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Posted: 12/9/2012 2:18 PM

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azwareagle wrote: "NCAA looked the other way"

This is the biggest college football myth alive. Honest question, why in the world would the NCAA protect Auburn? Very serious question. You can hate Auburn all you want and that is fine, but, honestly, why would the NCAA protect Auburn? I promise you that the NCAA wanted to find something on Auburn so bad because of all of the media BS (OSU fans should be as familiar with this as any fan base). They gave Auburn a 13 month anal probe. And I promise you this current investigation will come up with MINOR violations, if any. I know many on here won't believe this, but Auburn has a rival institution who absolutely wants wants Auburn to not only not succeed, but to actually cease to exist. Bear Bryant used to have a saying...."The NCAA was in Tuscaloosa today...expect Auburn to go on probation tomorrow." Auburn does not have a rival like most schools....Auburn has a stalker (updyke, Finebaum, Sheridan). Name another school that has to deal with a rival like Auburn does.
That was not Bear Bryant's saying. Where do you guys come up with some of your crap. Your NCAA investigation is on the doorstep. Soon, very soon.
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Posted: 12/9/2012 2:50 PM

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Actually, I agree that Bear did not originally make that statement, but he repeated it on several occasions, usually referring to Auburn as that "Cow College" in the process.

Shouldn't you be more worried about stocking up on herbicides for the big game?

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azwareagle wrote: "NCAA looked the other way"

This is the biggest college football myth alive. Honest question, why in the world would the NCAA protect Auburn? Very serious question. You can hate Auburn all you want and that is fine, but, honestly, why would the NCAA protect Auburn? I promise you that the NCAA wanted to find something on Auburn so bad because of all of the media BS (OSU fans should be as familiar with this as any fan base). They gave Auburn a 13 month anal probe. And I promise you this current investigation will come up with MINOR violations, if any. I know many on here won't believe this, but Auburn has a rival institution who absolutely wants wants Auburn to not only not succeed, but to actually cease to exist. Bear Bryant used to have a saying...."The NCAA was in Tuscaloosa today...expect Auburn to go on probation tomorrow." Auburn does not have a rival like most schools....Auburn has a stalker (updyke, Finebaum, Sheridan). Name another school that has to deal with a rival like Auburn does.
That was not Bear Bryant's saying. Where do you guys come up with some of your crap. Your NCAA investigation is on the doorstep. Soon, very soon.

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Posted: 12/9/2012 3:38 PM

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azwareagle wrote: Actually, I agree that Bear did not originally make that statement, but he repeated it on several occasions, usually referring to Auburn as that "Cow College" in the process.

Shouldn't you be more worried about stocking up on herbicides for the big game?

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azwareagle wrote: "NCAA looked the other way"

This is the biggest college football myth alive. Honest question, why in the world would the NCAA protect Auburn? Very serious question. You can hate Auburn all you want and that is fine, but, honestly, why would the NCAA protect Auburn? I promise you that the NCAA wanted to find something on Auburn so bad because of all of the media BS (OSU fans should be as familiar with this as any fan base). They gave Auburn a 13 month anal probe. And I promise you this current investigation will come up with MINOR violations, if any. I know many on here won't believe this, but Auburn has a rival institution who absolutely wants wants Auburn to not only not succeed, but to actually cease to exist. Bear Bryant used to have a saying...."The NCAA was in Tuscaloosa today...expect Auburn to go on probation tomorrow." Auburn does not have a rival like most schools....Auburn has a stalker (updyke, Finebaum, Sheridan). Name another school that has to deal with a rival like Auburn does.
That was not Bear Bryant's saying. Where do you guys come up with some of your crap. Your NCAA investigation is on the doorstep. Soon, very soon.

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Again, that's complete bull. Show up the source of the quotes. Absolute bull.
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Posted: 12/9/2012 3:53 PM

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I don't have to. I personally heard him say that when I was a senior in high school. He spoke in Mobile at an Alabama TD Club (or whatever they called it) in 1980. My Dad's best friend is a HUGE Bama supporter (and one of the best men I have ever known). I went with him and his son. He actually introduced me to Coach Bryant after the event and Bear told me that he remembered my Dad (who was a QB for Auburn 1957-1959). He first joked about my Auburn hat ("Did you find that hat in the garbage?", but was very cordial). I admit I walked away impressed.

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--- BigMen wrote:


azwareagle wrote: Actually, I agree that Bear did not originally make that statement, but he repeated it on several occasions, usually referring to Auburn as that "Cow College" in the process.

Shouldn't you be more worried about stocking up on herbicides for the big game?

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--- BigMen wrote:


azwareagle wrote: "NCAA looked the other way"

This is the biggest college football myth alive. Honest question, why in the world would the NCAA protect Auburn? Very serious question. You can hate Auburn all you want and that is fine, but, honestly, why would the NCAA protect Auburn? I promise you that the NCAA wanted to find something on Auburn so bad because of all of the media BS (OSU fans should be as familiar with this as any fan base). They gave Auburn a 13 month anal probe. And I promise you this current investigation will come up with MINOR violations, if any. I know many on here won't believe this, but Auburn has a rival institution who absolutely wants wants Auburn to not only not succeed, but to actually cease to exist. Bear Bryant used to have a saying...."The NCAA was in Tuscaloosa today...expect Auburn to go on probation tomorrow." Auburn does not have a rival like most schools....Auburn has a stalker (updyke, Finebaum, Sheridan). Name another school that has to deal with a rival like Auburn does.
That was not Bear Bryant's saying. Where do you guys come up with some of your crap. Your NCAA investigation is on the doorstep. Soon, very soon.

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Again, that's complete bull. Show up the source of the quotes. Absolute bull.

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Posted: 12/9/2012 5:17 PM

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I want to see the BCS National Title game played in Cleveland. That seems fair to me. Let the SEC play a game on our turf in our weather.
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Posted: 12/9/2012 6:35 PM

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First I am saying you are a douchebag who likes to argue.

Second I am saying programs like USC, UCLA, Stanford, LSU, Alabama, Miami, etc... often have a bowl advantage that programs like Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Nebraska, Notre Dame, etc... never have.

AGAIN douchebag, I was saying that the 2006 NC game could've been the ONE TIME Ohio State had a bowl advantage if they had not moved to a new stadium. LSU certainly had a bowl advantage in the 2007 NC game playing in the Super Dome.

It's bad enough that SEC has won 6 straight NCs and most of the awards, HOWEVER it is far worse when their fans argue every small point.

HAVE FUN ROOTING FOR AFRICAN AMERICANS COACHED BY NORTHERN COACHES! THE SOUTH SHOULD BE SO PROUD!
18of21 wrote:
buckeyemark wrote: I am saying Big 10 teams almost never have a comfort advantage in terms of stadium environment in bowl games.

The old Fiesta Bowl stadium and Ohio State may have been the exception as they beat Miami, Kansas State, and Notre Dame there.

IF they were still playing in the old stadium Ohio State may have fared better v. Florida (assuming knucklehead Roy Hall doesn't break Ted Ginn's ankle there as well). BUT, the game was moved to the new stadium thus whatever mental edge Ohio State would have had was gone.

The SEC has an an advantage playing in the Super Dome. The Pac 12 has an advantage playing in the Rose Bowl. Miami of Florida had an advantage playing in the Orange Bowl.


Very seldom is there a bowl game with a Big 10 team that screams Big 10 advantage. Due to location and or opponent most Big 10 bowl games look like tossups at best.
18of21 wrote:
buckeyemark wrote: I understand that.

My point was playing in the old stadium may have helped Ohio State since they were familiar with it. Playing in the new stadium did not benefit either team. I think teams are more comfortable with stadiums they are familiar with.
18of21 wrote:
buckeyemark wrote: You go into the Super Dome, or the Rose Bowl for the first time and tell me it's no worse than having played there before.

Your example of Ohio State @ Penn State is not valid because Ohio State plays @ Penn State every two years so they are familiar with the stadium.

Take Ohio State winning Fiesta Bowl v. Miami, Kansas State, and Notre Dame in old stadium, but getting crushed by Florida, and losing to Texas in the new stadium.

UF had never played in that stadium either.
Mark, I was at that game. Call me crazy, but UF looked pretty comfortable to me. So what you are really saying is.......neither team had an advantage.
So your saying the BIG needs to have some type of an advantage to win. I'll give you the Rose Bowl and Pac 12 arguement, but no SEC team plays in the Super Dome and if you think Miami has an advantage playing in the Orange Bowl in front of 15K fans I need some of what you're smoking. Using your logic Georgia should have beaten Bama last week.
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Posted: 12/9/2012 7:18 PM

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buckeyemark wrote: First I am saying you are a douchebag who likes to argue.

Second I am saying programs like USC, UCLA, Stanford, LSU, Alabama, Miami, etc... often have a bowl advantage that programs like Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Nebraska, Notre Dame, etc... never have.

AGAIN douchebag, I was saying that the 2006 NC game could've been the ONE TIME Ohio State had a bowl advantage if they had not moved to a new stadium. LSU certainly had a bowl advantage in the 2007 NC game playing in the Super Dome.

It's bad enough that SEC has won 6 straight NCs and most of the awards, HOWEVER it is far worse when their fans argue every small point.

HAVE FUN ROOTING FOR AFRICAN AMERICANS COACHED BY NORTHERN COACHES! THE SOUTH SHOULD BE SO PROUD!
 
Are you really trying to make an intelligent, adult argument with that kind of stuff?

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Posted: 12/9/2012 7:29 PM

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Does anyone really think LSU kicks our butts in 08 if the game was in Cleveland instead of New Orleans? Please.

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Posted: 12/9/2012 7:32 PM

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Think back to Wisconsins Bowl win over Miami. It was 50 degrees. The Wisconsin players wore short sleeves while the Miami players were in ski masks. And that was in Florida.

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Posted: 12/9/2012 7:51 PM

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buckeyemark wrote: First I am saying you are a douchebag who likes to argue.

Second I am saying programs like USC, UCLA, Stanford, LSU, Alabama, Miami, etc... often have a bowl advantage that programs like Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Nebraska, Notre Dame, etc... never have.

AGAIN douchebag, I was saying that the 2006 NC game could've been the ONE TIME Ohio State had a bowl advantage if they had not moved to a new stadium. LSU certainly had a bowl advantage in the 2007 NC game playing in the Super Dome.

It's bad enough that SEC has won 6 straight NCs and most of the awards, HOWEVER it is far worse when their fans argue every small point.

HAVE FUN ROOTING FOR AFRICAN AMERICANS COACHED BY NORTHERN COACHES! THE SOUTH SHOULD BE SO PROUD!
18of21 wrote:
buckeyemark wrote: I am saying Big 10 teams almost never have a comfort advantage in terms of stadium environment in bowl games.

The old Fiesta Bowl stadium and Ohio State may have been the exception as they beat Miami, Kansas State, and Notre Dame there.

IF they were still playing in the old stadium Ohio State may have fared better v. Florida (assuming knucklehead Roy Hall doesn't break Ted Ginn's ankle there as well). BUT, the game was moved to the new stadium thus whatever mental edge Ohio State would have had was gone.

The SEC has an an advantage playing in the Super Dome. The Pac 12 has an advantage playing in the Rose Bowl. Miami of Florida had an advantage playing in the Orange Bowl.


Very seldom is there a bowl game with a Big 10 team that screams Big 10 advantage. Due to location and or opponent most Big 10 bowl games look like tossups at best.
18of21 wrote:
buckeyemark wrote: I understand that.

My point was playing in the old stadium may have helped Ohio State since they were familiar with it. Playing in the new stadium did not benefit either team. I think teams are more comfortable with stadiums they are familiar with.
18of21 wrote:
buckeyemark wrote: You go into the Super Dome, or the Rose Bowl for the first time and tell me it's no worse than having played there before.

Your example of Ohio State @ Penn State is not valid because Ohio State plays @ Penn State every two years so they are familiar with the stadium.

Take Ohio State winning Fiesta Bowl v. Miami, Kansas State, and Notre Dame in old stadium, but getting crushed by Florida, and losing to Texas in the new stadium.

UF had never played in that stadium either.
Mark, I was at that game. Call me crazy, but UF looked pretty comfortable to me. So what you are really saying is.......neither team had an advantage.
So your saying the BIG needs to have some type of an advantage to win. I'll give you the Rose Bowl and Pac 12 arguement, but no SEC team plays in the Super Dome and if you think Miami has an advantage playing in the Orange Bowl in front of 15K fans I need some of what you're smoking. Using your logic Georgia should have beaten Bama last week.



Dude, that is beyond pitiful, you need help.  disbelief
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Posted: 12/9/2012 7:52 PM

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BuckeyeWarrior wrote: I want to see the BCS National Title game played in Cleveland. That seems fair to me. Let the SEC play a game on our turf in our weather.

Lets not confuse Big 10 teams playing in Oct/November with NFL teams playing in Dec/January.
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Posted: 12/9/2012 8:01 PM

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azwareagle wrote: I don't have to. I personally heard him say that when I was a senior in high school. He spoke in Mobile at an Alabama TD Club (or whatever they called it) in 1980. My Dad's best friend is a HUGE Bama supporter (and one of the best men I have ever known). I went with him and his son. He actually introduced me to Coach Bryant after the event and Bear told me that he remembered my Dad (who was a QB for Auburn 1957-1959). He first joked about my Auburn hat ("Did you find that hat in the garbage?", but was very cordial). I admit I walked away impressed.

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--- BigMen wrote:


azwareagle wrote: Actually, I agree that Bear did not originally make that statement, but he repeated it on several occasions, usually referring to Auburn as that "Cow College" in the process.

Shouldn't you be more worried about stocking up on herbicides for the big game?

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--- BigMen wrote:


azwareagle wrote: "NCAA looked the other way"

This is the biggest college football myth alive. Honest question, why in the world would the NCAA protect Auburn? Very serious question. You can hate Auburn all you want and that is fine, but, honestly, why would the NCAA protect Auburn? I promise you that the NCAA wanted to find something on Auburn so bad because of all of the media BS (OSU fans should be as familiar with this as any fan base). They gave Auburn a 13 month anal probe. And I promise you this current investigation will come up with MINOR violations, if any. I know many on here won't believe this, but Auburn has a rival institution who absolutely wants wants Auburn to not only not succeed, but to actually cease to exist. Bear Bryant used to have a saying...."The NCAA was in Tuscaloosa today...expect Auburn to go on probation tomorrow." Auburn does not have a rival like most schools....Auburn has a stalker (updyke, Finebaum, Sheridan). Name another school that has to deal with a rival like Auburn does.
That was not Bear Bryant's saying. Where do you guys come up with some of your crap. Your NCAA investigation is on the doorstep. Soon, very soon.

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Again, that's complete bull. Show up the source of the quotes. Absolute bull.

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Good stuff here azwardamneagle, thanks for posting.  I luv these kind of stories!

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Posted: 12/9/2012 9:10 PM

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I am not the one thumping my chest collectively with regional pride!

Pride based on football, where most of the players are African American, and where the most successful coaches (Saban, Meyer, and Miles) have strong Northern roots. The South has risen again?

Alabama  2 to 3 National Championships since 2009.
LSU 2-1 in National Championships since 2004.
Florida 3 National Championships since 1996.

The fans of those programs have the right to be proud. The players on those teams should get consideration for national awards.

However, it is disgusting how ESPN, and the fans of the SEC, group all the teams together as one entity and use the success of one or two teams, or one player to portray the rest of the conference as dominant.

Frankly as an Alabama fan I would be quite put off having fans of crap SEC teams sharing in my teams success.

Ohio State went to 3 NC games from 2002-07 and I wouldn't want Michigan fans to feel as if they were somehow better from Ohio State's success.

McTide wrote:
buckeyemark wrote: First I am saying you are a douchebag who likes to argue.

Second I am saying programs like USC, UCLA, Stanford, LSU, Alabama, Miami, etc... often have a bowl advantage that programs like Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Nebraska, Notre Dame, etc... never have.

AGAIN douchebag, I was saying that the 2006 NC game could've been the ONE TIME Ohio State had a bowl advantage if they had not moved to a new stadium. LSU certainly had a bowl advantage in the 2007 NC game playing in the Super Dome.

It's bad enough that SEC has won 6 straight NCs and most of the awards, HOWEVER it is far worse when their fans argue every small point.

HAVE FUN ROOTING FOR AFRICAN AMERICANS COACHED BY NORTHERN COACHES! THE SOUTH SHOULD BE SO PROUD!
18of21 wrote:
buckeyemark wrote: I am saying Big 10 teams almost never have a comfort advantage in terms of stadium environment in bowl games.

The old Fiesta Bowl stadium and Ohio State may have been the exception as they beat Miami, Kansas State, and Notre Dame there.

IF they were still playing in the old stadium Ohio State may have fared better v. Florida (assuming knucklehead Roy Hall doesn't break Ted Ginn's ankle there as well). BUT, the game was moved to the new stadium thus whatever mental edge Ohio State would have had was gone.

The SEC has an an advantage playing in the Super Dome. The Pac 12 has an advantage playing in the Rose Bowl. Miami of Florida had an advantage playing in the Orange Bowl.


Very seldom is there a bowl game with a Big 10 team that screams Big 10 advantage. Due to location and or opponent most Big 10 bowl games look like tossups at best.
18of21 wrote:
buckeyemark wrote: I understand that.

My point was playing in the old stadium may have helped Ohio State since they were familiar with it. Playing in the new stadium did not benefit either team. I think teams are more comfortable with stadiums they are familiar with.
18of21 wrote:
buckeyemark wrote: You go into the Super Dome, or the Rose Bowl for the first time and tell me it's no worse than having played there before.

Your example of Ohio State @ Penn State is not valid because Ohio State plays @ Penn State every two years so they are familiar with the stadium.

Take Ohio State winning Fiesta Bowl v. Miami, Kansas State, and Notre Dame in old stadium, but getting crushed by Florida, and losing to Texas in the new stadium.

UF had never played in that stadium either.
Mark, I was at that game. Call me crazy, but UF looked pretty comfortable to me. So what you are really saying is.......neither team had an advantage.
So your saying the BIG needs to have some type of an advantage to win. I'll give you the Rose Bowl and Pac 12 arguement, but no SEC team plays in the Super Dome and if you think Miami has an advantage playing in the Orange Bowl in front of 15K fans I need some of what you're smoking. Using your logic Georgia should have beaten Bama last week.



Dude, that is beyond pitiful, you need help.  disbelief
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Posted: 12/10/2012 9:26 AM

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rivergator wrote:
buckeyemark wrote: First I am saying you are a douchebag who likes to argue.

Second I am saying programs like USC, UCLA, Stanford, LSU, Alabama, Miami, etc... often have a bowl advantage that programs like Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Nebraska, Notre Dame, etc... never have.

AGAIN douchebag, I was saying that the 2006 NC game could've been the ONE TIME Ohio State had a bowl advantage if they had not moved to a new stadium. LSU certainly had a bowl advantage in the 2007 NC game playing in the Super Dome.

It's bad enough that SEC has won 6 straight NCs and most of the awards, HOWEVER it is far worse when their fans argue every small point.

HAVE FUN ROOTING FOR AFRICAN AMERICANS COACHED BY NORTHERN COACHES! THE SOUTH SHOULD BE SO PROUD!
 
Are you really trying to make an intelligent, adult argument with that kind of stuff?
Yes he is. OSU out numbered UF fans 70/30 in Arizona but the if they had played in the old stadium they may have had a better chance. Got it. What he doesn't realize is he really admitting the BIG needs to have some kinda of an advantage to compete, whether it's home field or a cold climate. Some of these guys act like the BIG play all 12 of their games in a driving snow storm. At best they may play 2 games where weather MAY be a factor. Some here believe that Southern teams enjoy a 90/10 fan split at these bowl games.
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Posted: 12/10/2012 9:30 AM

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Vermonter wrote: Does anyone really think LSU kicks our butts in 08 if the game was in Cleveland instead of New Orleans? Please.
So you are admitting the only way OSU had a chance was to have a weather advantage.
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Posted: 12/10/2012 9:42 AM

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18of21 wrote:
Vermonter wrote: Does anyone really think LSU kicks our butts in 08 if the game was in Cleveland instead of New Orleans? Please.
So you are admitting the only way OSU had a chance was to have a weather advantage.
That seems to be a pretty consistent theme. When bowl games are played in Florida or Arizona early January, the weather is generally pretty mild. Average in Tampa, for example, on Jan. 1 is 55-69 degrees. In other words, the weather isn't a factor at all. The game is strictly up to the two teams.
But what I keep reading here is that if OSU could only just get those SEC teams in 20 degree weather in Cleveland, where the weather would affect the outcome, the Buckeyes chances would improve.

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Posted: 12/10/2012 11:01 AM

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At one point tOSU had played in three of four Fiesta bowls and the growing advantage of that was pretty well publicized at the time. Tressel mentioned how nice it was to know where you are going and staying, etc. The logistical portion became a non-event. Mre time spent on football prep and less on the trip itself.

So much so that in 2007 Tressel had to defend how big of an advantage it was saying that it wasn't as much this year becuase they had them at a new practice facility, hotel, etc.

Familiarity and proximity is a advantage recognized by most coaches. This, more than fan noise, is why there is such a thing as home-field advantage.

Does it overcome superior talent, coaching, schemes? No, but it is an advantage.
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Posted: 12/10/2012 11:02 AM

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BuckeyeWarrior wrote: I want to see the BCS National Title game played in Cleveland. That seems fair to me. Let the SEC play a game on our turf in our weather.
LMAO @ "our weather". You are a comically moronic fool. This stupid effing argument gets made every year at bowl time.

A few years ago, I actually took the time to research bowl games blayed between "northern" and "southern" teams (at venues like the Cotton Bowl, the Liberty Bowl, and a few other games where it iwas in an open-air stadium in a city where the weather could be cold on game day and WAS)/ The "southern" teams actually have won more of these games than they have lost.

Your incredibly stupid premise, which is that kids from southern schools would surely cower on the sidelines and just get manhandled by these nothern kids that clearly spend all winter working on getting their bodies ready for JUST such an occasion is the height of stupidity.

Truly the apex of ignorance.
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Posted: 12/10/2012 11:19 AM

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18of21 wrote:
Vermonter wrote: Does anyone really think LSU kicks our butts in 08 if the game was in Cleveland instead of New Orleans? Please.
So you are admitting the only way OSU had a chance was to have a weather advantage.
If it was in our backyard instead of theirs, I believe the results would be different. It was basically a home game for them. They could have slept in their own beds.

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