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Is a cocaine user worthy of a university hall of fame?

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Posted: 7/16/2014 4:29 PM

Is a cocaine user worthy of a university hall of fame? 


Maryland is considering Len Bias for their hall of fame.

He was a very good player, but he killed himself with reckless use of an illegal drug.

It is a confusing issue.

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Posted: 7/16/2014 4:38 PM

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Joe Hamilton was inducted to our HOF the year after his arrest for DUI and drug possession.
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Posted: 7/16/2014 4:43 PM

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kidfabulous wrote: Joe Hamilton was inducted to our HOF the year after his arrest for DUI and drug possession.

true.  that was well after his athletic career was over.  Bias is a sad story, maybe the tragedy is worthy of keeping other players from destructive behavior.  like I said, a confusing issue.
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Posted: 7/16/2014 4:50 PM

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Our last two presidents did cocaine. The one before that claimed not to have inhaled marijuana.

So, you know, there's that little double standard.

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Posted: 7/16/2014 4:52 PM

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I think it would be different if he had been on drugs for years, was pretty much considered a junkie, embarrassed himself and UMD over and over, etc.  It is my recollection that this was a one time tragically stupid thing that he did.  He paid the ultimate price for that one time thing.

Really sad.  There was David Thompson and then there was Michael Jordan and then there was Len Bias.


edit note...former Twerp All-American, John Lucas, was a junkie many many years before Bias ever put on a Twerp uni.  He cleaned himself up and became a role model for those who have kicked the addiction.  Just throwing in there that I bet this was brought up with him many moons ago as well.

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Posted: 7/16/2014 4:59 PM

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GTJT622 wrote: I think it would be different if he had been on drugs for years, was pretty much considered a junkie, embarrassed himself and UMD over and over, etc.  It is my recollection that this was a one time tragically stupid thing that he did.  He paid the ultimate price for that one time thing.

Really sad.  There was David Thompson and then there was Michael Jordan and then there was Len Bias.


edit note...former Twerp All-American, John Lucas, was a junkie many many years before Bias ever put on a Twerp uni.  He cleaned himself up and became a role model for those who have kicked the addiction.  Just throwing in there that I bet this was brought up with him many moons ago as well.
Len Bias has been dead 5 years longer than the amount of time he was alive.  If years are a factor in the decision, I think enough of them have passed.

Can't wait to hear ctmoore's words of wisdom on this topic.
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Posted: 7/16/2014 5:39 PM

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Are we sure he killed himself? There might have been a high end call girl who administered the drugs and left him to die.

I think he is absolutely worthy to be in Maryland's Hall of Fame. He had already been drafted by the NBA when he died. I thought I remember at the time he died that people said it was his first time using.
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Posted: 7/16/2014 5:40 PM

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Rob Ford is the mayor of a city with a population over 2.5 million people, and smoked crack on video. If we want to start limiting things that known drug users can be elected to, political office is maybe more of a pressing concern than university HOF's.
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Posted: 7/16/2014 5:56 PM

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Presjacket wrote: Are we sure he killed himself? There might have been a high end call girl who administered the drugs and left him to die.

I think he is absolutely worthy to be in Maryland's Hall of Fame. He had already been drafted by the NBA when he died. I thought I remember at the time he died that people said it was his first time using.
In the ESPN 30 for 30 doc, Without Bias, the guys that he was with the night he overdosed said that it wasn't his first time, but he was only a casual user, like a lot of people in the 80's.

He was a great player for Maryland. He should be in.
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Posted: 7/16/2014 6:21 PM

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It is a problem that the 1st thing people think of when you think of Bias is that he died of a overdose.  It was such a big deal that every knows the story.

Therefore, it looks like you are honoring someone that is a terrible role model.  

Different from people that might have made mistakes BUT those mistakes were not their defining moment.
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Posted: 7/16/2014 6:26 PM

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What some people forget is WHO drafted him.  The Celtics!

Imagine Bias on the same team with Bird and those guys.  eek
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Posted: 7/16/2014 7:05 PM

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GTJT622 wrote: What some people forget is WHO drafted him.  The Celtics!

Imagine Bias on the same team with Bird and those guys.  eek

Remember Len Bias and Reggie Lewis were supposed to be the future......both died....
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Posted: 7/16/2014 9:51 PM

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AZBuzz wrote:
GTJT622 wrote: What some people forget is WHO drafted him.  The Celtics!

Imagine Bias on the same team with Bird and those guys.  eek

Remember Len Bias and Reggie Lewis were supposed to be the future......both died....
Bird had already planned on going to rookie camp to get started working with Bias.

Meanwhile, he should be in their HoF because he was a HoF player at Maryland, one of the best college players I've ever seen.
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Posted: 7/16/2014 10:08 PM

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Yes.
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Posted: 7/16/2014 10:53 PM

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allamericanbuzz wrote: Yes.
yes.

fame - he has it. many years later people still consider him an amazing player. myself included.
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Posted: 7/16/2014 10:58 PM

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Bias was an amazing player and my recollection is that he was a pretty good citizen for the most part. If I had a vote I'd vote him in.
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Posted: 7/17/2014 12:03 AM

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Not confusing. Yes he should be, you don't have to be a role model to be a hall of fame player.
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Posted: 7/17/2014 9:46 AM

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Posted: 7/17/2014 10:14 AM

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waltonbuzz wrote: It is a problem that the 1st thing people think of when you think of Bias is that he died of a overdose.  It was such a big deal that every knows the story.

Therefore, it looks like you are honoring someone that is a terrible role model.  

Different from people that might have made mistakes BUT those mistakes were not their defining moment.
So do you really think that inducting him would glorify cocaine use?  On the contrary, I think if anything it brings more attention to the potential consequences.  Any kid that takes 30 seconds to find out who Len Bias was will discover he OD'd.

I'm quite sure that there are hundreds and maybe thousands of former athletes in various Halls of Fame that did as much or more cocaine than Bias did and survived.  Are they more deserving because their same mistakes didn't happen to lead to their own death?
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Posted: 7/17/2014 10:28 AM

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I would vote against putting Len Bias in a Hall of Fame.  Joe Hamilton and John Lucas cleaned themselves up but Len Bias unfortunately died a druggie.


What I remember most about Len Bias is what Ivon Josef said about him.  He said,  "Len pushes me and pushes me and pushes me but he cannot move me."  Ivon was the Rock of Gibraltar.
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