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Cobb Co. toddler

Posted: 6/24/2014 7:27 PM

Cobb Co. toddler 


I had to hold off on posting about this but now the word is out.

There seems to be evidence that the guy who left the toddler in the SUV to roast to death did so on purpose.

I know some people who work for the county and the DA's office has no intention on backing down on those murder charges.  I cannot believe someone would do this.  Putting a bullet into the kid's brain stem would have be FAR more humane.

It should be a capital case or at least life w/o parole if the State can prove it's case.

Evidently the guy used to post on the Bama Board on Scout and there is a thread there by his dad getting condolences from all those hicks who post there.  Not that much mention on the kid who was cooked to death.

$%#$%#$ humanity.

Edit:  links (look how I do it without help.  Learn from me.)

http://mdjonline.com/view/full...e=breaking_news

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/b...tinues-t/ngRfn/

Last edited 6/24/2014 7:29 PM by mgdGT

Posted: 6/24/2014 7:45 PM

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 Not to judge this case because we don't have the facts, but it occurred to me that this might be the best way to murder a child and get away with it.
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Posted: 6/24/2014 8:41 PM

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Makes you wonder if they have surveillance in the parking lot at work showing him looking in the back seat, getting in the backseat, etc. Now I picture this guy getting in the backseat and kissing his son goodbye and doing this on purpose.
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Posted: 6/24/2014 8:52 PM

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Might be a really difficult 1st degree murder case to prove unless you have some sort of admission.

Posted: 6/24/2014 8:57 PM

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PJLazy wrote: Might be a really difficult 1st degree murder case to prove unless you have some sort of admission.
Georgia doesn't do degrees of murder.

From what I understand it's either felony murder or malice murder and I have heard the State has evidence for felony and I wouldn't be surprised if the charge is upgraded.

Last edited 6/24/2014 9:00 PM by mgdGT

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Posted: 6/24/2014 9:21 PM

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I actually met this guy by happenstance a little while ago (before this happened obviously) and struck up a conversation over lunch.

He seemed to be a really nice guy. I can't imagine someone doing this on purpose, but obviously people do awful things.

I hope that this is shown to be an accident, as there is potential for technology to prevent this kind of thing in the future. Also, selfishly, I would be disturbed to have met someone capable of that kind of evil.

Posted: 6/24/2014 9:24 PM

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Well.... The Home Depot Corporate Office has multi level parking deck. So darn near all of it covered and wouldn't get roasting hot.... Howevvah... there used to be security cameras at the corners of the decks and certainly on the uppermost level. So, especially if he parked on the top level (which would maximize your potential to murder someone by heat) - there could very likely be pictures. It's also very likely, that pictures are available from the lot entrance - which is badge only.

** (It's been a few years since I was over there so it may be different now).

"Think about how dumb the average guy is.... Then think about the fact that half of the people are dumber than that......

Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience" 

- George Carlin

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Posted: 6/24/2014 9:47 PM

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It is a truly awful situation no matter what so this is just speculation in general about the strangeness of the "case":

1) It was strange how quickly the authorities thought something was amiss.  You would think that they wouldn't figure it out for a couple of days given the nature of the "accident".  

2) Why would anyone cold blooded murder a young child in this way outside of mental illness?  IE, doesn't seem like it could be for some of the other common motives like money or jealousy.  

3) My first thought given the first two, is that something happened to the child at another location and the "hot car" was to cover up the way the child actually died. 

4) It seemed a little strange that he "forgot him" all day.  Maybe people at that office don't go out to lunch but you would think it might cross his mind.  Like others have said, I don't think it was especially hot that day and the kid was not an infant so the kid might have survived 2-3 hours.  

5) It was at least a little "convenient" that the father remembered the kid in a public location that would allow people to see him upset. 

Lastly, if the cops are wrong then they should all be tarred and feathered and I can't fathom the father's pain.

Posted: 6/24/2014 9:50 PM

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waltonbuzz wrote: It is a truly awful situation no matter what so this is just speculation in general about the strangeness of the "case":

1) It was strange how quickly the authorities thought something was amiss.  You would think that they wouldn't figure it out for a couple of days given the nature of the "accident".  

2) Why would anyone cold blooded murder a young child in this way outside of mental illness?  IE, doesn't seem like it could be for some of the other common motives like money or jealousy.  

3) My first thought given the first two, is that something happened to the child at another location and the "hot car" was to cover up the way the child actually died. 

4) It seemed a little strange that he "forgot him" all day.  Maybe people at that office don't go out to lunch but you would think it might cross his mind.  Like others have said, I don't think it was especially hot that day and the kid was not an infant so the kid might have survived 2-3 hours.  

5) It was at least a little "convenient" that the father remembered the kid in a public location that would allow people to see him upset. 

Lastly, if the cops are wrong then they should all be tarred and feathered and I can't fathom the father's pain.
Big Corporate cafeteria. A lot of people eat there. Also, like most places, people go together to lunch I expect. So even if he did go, he might not drive. This could be doubly true if he did park on the top level as I theorized.

"Think about how dumb the average guy is.... Then think about the fact that half of the people are dumber than that......

Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience" 

- George Carlin

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Posted: 6/24/2014 9:57 PM

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I haven't ever done childcare, but don't they call or something if the kid just doesn't show up in the morning?

Posted: 6/24/2014 10:11 PM

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I cant bear to read stories like this.  They just crush my soul.  As a dad of two young boys, I just cant even click on the links.  I cry for every one of these events when they happen.
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Posted: 6/24/2014 10:30 PM

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I come for the rumor mongering, but stay for the "as a father..." posts.

Posted: 6/24/2014 10:52 PM

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www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06..._n_3497956.html

Article linked above is quite interesting.

I know a guy who knows the accused and attests to the accused's character. That being said, I suppose the DA has some evidence that is convincing. I also know quite well a guy who rolled over his daughter in the driveway. The smallest casket I ever care to see. He was never arrested or charged which I believe to be the right choice. Since then, the man is passionate about car safety for kids among other things. One of the best dad's I know.

Kids and Cars is one org to follow on Facebook for news and ideas. I can only pray not to do the same as some of these poor souls who have inadvertently done something horrible. I would encourage you to lay aside your judgment of these folks, and offer love to anyone who may be in these kinds of situations.

Posted: 6/24/2014 11:02 PM

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gtche99 wrote: www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06..._n_3497956.html

Article linked above is quite interesting.

I know a guy who knows the accused and attests to the accused's character. That being said, I suppose the DA has some evidence that is convincing. I also know quite well a guy who rolled over his daughter in the driveway. The smallest casket I ever care to see. He was never arrested or charged which I believe to be the right choice. Since then, the man is passionate about car safety for kids among other things. One of the best dad's I know.

Kids and Cars is one org to follow on Facebook for news and ideas. I can only pray not to do the same as some of these poor souls who have inadvertently done something horrible. I would encourage you to lay aside your judgment of these folks, and offer love to anyone who may be in these kinds of situations.
This is easier than people think. My brother-in-law did it with his son. The kid had been at the end of the driveway, ran back quickly and crawled under the car to get something. Amazingly, he lived. Now he's in Med school thumb.gif. Everybody in the family was a lot more paranoid after that.

"Think about how dumb the average guy is.... Then think about the fact that half of the people are dumber than that......

Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience" 

- George Carlin

Posted: 6/24/2014 11:16 PM

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It's been pretty well covered that this occurred at one of their satellite office locations a couple of miles down Cumberland from the SSC. This particular location was known to workers as "The Treehouse."
There is no covered parking there.


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Well.... The Home Depot Corporate Office has multi level parking deck. So darn near all of it covered and wouldn't get roasting hot.... Howevvah... there used to be security cameras at the corners of the decks and certainly on the uppermost level. So, especially if he parked on the top level (which would maximize your potential to murder someone by heat) - there could very likely be pictures. It's also very likely, that pictures are available from the lot entrance - which is badge only.

** (It's been a few years since I was over there so it may be different now).

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Posted: 6/24/2014 11:16 PM

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re: Paranoid ... If you ever see an adult standing in the middle of a parking lot aisle for no apparent reason, it might just be someone who knows a little one who has been involved in this kind of tragedy...or maybe it is just me.
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Posted: 6/24/2014 11:31 PM

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okeefe wrote:
 Not to judge this case because we don't have the facts, but it occurred to me that this might be the best way to murder a child and get away with it.
Not really. It's a home run felony murder case. Intent is irrelevant, except in sentencing, but murder in GA is life or death.

Here's the law if anyone is interested.

O.C.G.A. 16-5-70 (Child Cruelty)

(a) A parent, guardian, or other person supervising the welfare of or having immediate charge or custody of a child under the age of 18 commits the offense of cruelty to children in the first degree when such person willfully deprives the child of necessary sustenance to the extent that the child́s health or well-being is jeopardized.

(b) Any person commits the offense of cruelty to children in the first degree when such person maliciously causes a child under the age of 18 cruel or excessive physical or mental pain.

(c) Any person commits the offense of cruelty to children in the second degree when such person with criminal negligence causes a child under the age of 18 cruel or excessive physical or mental pain.

(d) Any person commits the offense of cruelty to children in the third degree when:

(1) Such person, who is the primary aggressor, intentionally allows a child under the age of 18 to witness the commission of a forcible felony, battery, or family violence battery; or

(2) Such person, who is the primary aggressor, having knowledge that a child under the age of 18 is present and sees or hears the act, commits a forcible felony, battery, or family violence battery.

(e)(1) A person convicted of the offense of cruelty to children in the first degree as provided in this Code section shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than five nor more than 20 years.

(2) A person convicted of the offense of cruelty to children in the second degree shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than ten years.


So it is pretty clear there is a felony,


O.C.G.A. 16-5-1 (2010)
16-5-1. Murder; felony murder


(a) A person commits the offense of murder when he unlawfully and with malice aforethought, either express or implied, causes the death of another human being.

(b) Express malice is that deliberate intention unlawfully to take the life of another human being which is manifested by external circumstances capable of proof. Malice shall be implied where no considerable provocation appears and where all the circumstances of the killing show an abandoned and malignant heart.

(c) A person also commits the offense of murder when, in the commission of a felony, he causes the death of another human being irrespective of malice.

(d) A person convicted of the offense of murder shall be punished by death, by imprisonment for life without parole, or by imprisonment for life.

Last edited 6/24/2014 11:38 PM by VladTheImpaler

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Posted: 6/24/2014 11:56 PM

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VladTheImpaler wrote:
okeefe wrote:
 Not to judge this case because we don't have the facts, but it occurred to me that this might be the best way to murder a child and get away with it.
Not really. It's a home run felony murder case. Intent is irrelevant, except in sentencing, but murder in GA is life or death.
Baloney.  The thousands of people who already joined a petition to let the guy go refute the idea of a "home run" case.  It is only a home run if the jury will convict.  If it turns out the father simply forgot, a jury in Georgia wouldn't likely convict on the criminal negligence that led to excessive physical pain felony.  Which negates the murder charge.  That leaves the possibility of a plea bargain to much lessor charges, having the case dropped, or an outright acquittal.

I served on a jury in Dekalb County that convicted a man of crimes against a child.  As a result, he is serving three concurrent 20 year sentences.  12 years later, he is still in prison (I check).  In my opinion, a jury isn't likely to convict a parent of felony murder for simply forgetting that a child was left in the car during the workday.  The horror of it makes us cringe, but murder?  Nope.

Now if it turns out this guy did something malicious, he might be better hanging himself in the jail before he goes to trial.  The trial won't go well for him, and he will do worse in prison.

Posted: 6/25/2014 12:16 AM

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Vlad (or someone else with some understanding of the law) explain the line between "criminal negligence" and any other kind of negligence? ... Potentially in this case, might a parental brain fart qualify as "criminal negligence"? It is not normally criminal to be stupid.

For me (as someone who discipline and/or fire people for safety violations), I prefer to take a harsher stance if the offender is habitual or breaking a well-trained policy, So then for me, I might be more quick to jail someone who is driving 10 mph over the speed limit(or drinking or texting or...), normally intentional, and is involved in an incident that causes a fatality (10,000s per year perhaps), then a parent with a brain fart (20-40 per year and not normally well publicized).

Thanks in advance as I may not be able to follow up to 24 hours.

Posted: 6/25/2014 12:25 AM

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gthawk wrote:
VladTheImpaler wrote:
okeefe wrote:
 Not to judge this case because we don't have the facts, but it occurred to me that this might be the best way to murder a child and get away with it.
Not really. It's a home run felony murder case. Intent is irrelevant, except in sentencing, but murder in GA is life or death.
Baloney.  The thousands of people who already joined a petition to let the guy go refute the idea of a "home run" case.  It is only a home run if the jury will convict.  If it turns out the father simply forgot, a jury in Georgia wouldn't likely convict on the criminal negligence that led to excessive physical pain felony.  Which negates the murder charge.  That leaves the possibility of a plea bargain to much lessor charges, having the case dropped, or an outright acquittal.

I served on a jury in Dekalb County that convicted a man of crimes against a child.  As a result, he is serving three concurrent 20 year sentences.  12 years later, he is still in prison (I check).  In my opinion, a jury isn't likely to convict a parent of felony murder for simply forgetting that a child was left in the car during the workday.  The horror of it makes us cringe, but murder?  Nope.

Now if it turns out this guy did something malicious, he might be better hanging himself in the jail before he goes to trial.  The trial won't go well for him, and he will do worse in prison.
There seems to be some evidence that it wasn't just some accident.  The county DA's office doesn't normally do this for true mistakes.  There is a lot more to this case than people realize.
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