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Justin Thomas progress

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Posted: 6/11/2014 1:52 PM

Justin Thomas progress 


Those of you who were able to attend spring practice and the T game, how does JT look in the pocket?

Also, how does he look managing the triple option?

I went back and watched some games from last year,and even though I loved Vad, it was obvious he struggled with the option. If JT is even a slight improvement over that, and can hit the open receiver at least 50% (TW was 56%, versus Vads 45%) then I think we have a lot to look forward to. JT needs to be a point guard this year. Get the ball to the right guys at the right time, and not take negative plays. That seemed to really hurt us last season.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 2:01 PM

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He didn't play in the Spring game.

He's got kind of happy feet in the pocket. He's a really fast kid, so he gets away with it. The run-and-shoot is a really good fit for him actually. We need him rolling hard with a run-pass option to be most effective IMO.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 2:45 PM

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buzzrocket wrote: He didn't play in the Spring game.

He's got kind of happy feet in the pocket. He's a really fast kid, so he gets away with it. The run-and-shoot is a really good fit for him actually. We need him rolling hard with a run-pass option to be most effective IMO.

Those exact words could have been said about Vad Lee. When we did that with him against UNC in 2012, he was unbelievable. Once CPJ forced him to run the option to the short side of the field, he was out of his zone.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 2:51 PM

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I expect Justin, like most first-year sophomore starters, to make a lot of mistakes.  My greatest hope is that if he can do only one thing, limit turnovers.  Don't beat ourselves. 

I admit I'm going to have to be patient.  Just like I/we had to be with Joe Hamilton in his early time at Tech.  Thomas appears to me to be a high risk high reward kind of guy.  He's probably going to make some boneheaded plays this fall like bad pitches that result in turnovers, but then he's going to make a play that leads to a 75 yard TD run. 

Of course, we hope he settles down and settles in ASAP.  I know one thing though, if he gets into open field, in most all cases, he's gone.  There won't be many who will catch him.  THAT is one exciting thing he brings to the position that we haven't had during CPJ's era so far.  Joshua, Tevin and Vad all showed they can take it to the house.  But none of them had/have the burning speed that Justin has.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 2:55 PM

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GTJT622 wrote: I know one thing though, if he gets into open field, in most all cases, he's gone.  There won't be many who will catch him.  THAT is one exciting thing he brings to the position that we haven't had during CPJ's era so far.  Joshua, Tevin and Vad all showed they can take it to the house.  But none of them had/have the burning speed that Justin has.
He does have great speed, which is fun to watch.  But I think it is as much fun to watch him dance in the pocket and through the line.  If he needs a nickname, Justin "Waterbug" Thomas fits perfectly...
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Posted: 6/11/2014 3:20 PM

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I'm intrigued by all these opinions on how he looks in the pocket.

I saw no discernible evidence of a pocket last year.

"Think about how dumb the average guy is.... Then think about the fact that half of the people are dumber than that......

Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience" 

- George Carlin

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Posted: 6/11/2014 3:33 PM

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shipreck wrote: I'm intrigued by all these opinions on how he looks in the pocket.

I saw no discernible evidence of a pocket last year.
good'un, shipreck!
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Posted: 6/11/2014 4:51 PM

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  The key factor to me is how well he learns to read defenses, and how fast he can make the right decisions.  But then those are the main factors for any quarterback.  Speed and arm are not a problem.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 4:57 PM

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I'm very excited to see what Justin can do in CPJ's offense.   My concern is his size and therefore his ability to stay healthy.   Especially if he has to try and find that elusive "pocket" too often and becomes a more stationary target.    frown
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Posted: 6/11/2014 5:33 PM

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What I like about him is that he does a good job of disguising who's going to get the ball. IOW - he doesn't telegraph his handoffs and pitches. This was a weakness of Vad last year. I've also picked up on how he runs with a low center of gravity.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 5:42 PM

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While Justin is an inch shorter, and 15 pounds lighter at this point of his career, I hope we can say that he'll be as exciting, and as successful, as Denard Robinson was during his tenure at Michigan.
"Blessed be the man who expects nothing, for he shall receive a kick in the pants." Lee Sterne
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Posted: 6/11/2014 6:11 PM

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GlennW wrote: While Justin is an inch shorter, and 15 pounds lighter at this point of his career, I hope we can say that he'll be as exciting, and as successful, as Denard Robinson was during his tenure at Michigan.

Of course, Denards had "slightly" better talent at every position all around him than Justin does.tongue

 

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Posted: 6/11/2014 6:31 PM

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We shall see how JT does - I am pulling for him to be successful... However, I have this sinking feeling that the best QB in CPJ's system at this level of play is a big bruiser with decent speed a la JFN.  I'm not sure JT can take the pounding on all those keepers.  I think we do have a solid backup that fits the mold with Byerly.  Just my opinion...
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy"
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Posted: 6/11/2014 6:32 PM

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Gnatcountry wrote:
shipreck wrote: I'm intrigued by all these opinions on how he looks in the pocket.

I saw no discernible evidence of a pocket last year.
good'un, shipreck!
+1.  For a couple of reasons: one, it is funny, and two, it is spot on analytically.  I keep seeing these TW 55% vs VL 45% numbers with the implication that TW was a better passer than VL.  Well, I know about numbers, but there is no way under the sun that TW was as good a passer as VL.  And the absence of a pocket has all to do with it.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 6:46 PM

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MrRecker wrote:

+1.  For a couple of reasons: one, it is funny, and two, it is spot on analytically.  I keep seeing these TW 55% vs VL 45% numbers with the implication that TW was a better passer than VL.  Well, I know about numbers, but there is no way under the sun that TW was as good a passer as VL.  And the absence of a pocket has all to do with it.
1990Jackets, I think that's your cue...
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Posted: 6/11/2014 7:30 PM

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buddyroe wrote:
buzzrocket wrote: He didn't play in the Spring game.

He's got kind of happy feet in the pocket. He's a really fast kid, so he gets away with it. The run-and-shoot is a really good fit for him actually. We need him rolling hard with a run-pass option to be most effective IMO.

Those exact words could have been said about Vad Lee. When we did that with him against UNC in 2012, he was unbelievable. Once CPJ forced him to run the option to the short side of the field, he was out of his zone.
You do realize he was given the same opportunity for almost every game in 2012, don't you?  UNC was an aberration, they couldn't defend us at all, Tevin, either.  He was far less effective in every other game in 2012, well before "CPJ forced him to run the option to the short side of the field, out of his zone."
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Posted: 6/11/2014 7:53 PM

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I think at some point in the season it will be Byerly and Laskey in the backfield churning up yardage and clock. Especially if JT struggles reading the "D"
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Posted: 6/11/2014 8:02 PM

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TNTGT wrote: I think at some point in the season it will be Byerly and Laskey in the backfield churning up yardage and clock. Especially if JT struggles reading the "D"
As long as we are "churning up yardage", sounds good to me.  Couldn't care less who the guys are who are doing it.

I love all of the players.  They have chosen Tech when they had plenty of options to go elsewhere.  Having said that, I root for GEORGIA TECH.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 8:55 PM

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GTJT622 wrote:
TNTGT wrote: I think at some point in the season it will be Byerly and Laskey in the backfield churning up yardage and clock. Especially if JT struggles reading the "D"
As long as we are "churning up yardage", sounds good to me.  Couldn't care less who the guys are who are doing it.

I love all of the players.  They have chosen Tech when they had plenty of options to go elsewhere.  Having said that, I root for GEORGIA TECH.
Sure, often to inferior programs.

We need to keep getting players like JT who had an Alabama option.  We generally do not get talent that has been recruited to upper tier SEC programs save 2007.  I know we have a hard time with the linemen but at least we could keep up recruiting in the skill positions.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 8:59 PM

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cbmjr2001 wrote: We shall see how JT does - I am pulling for him to be successful... However, I have this sinking feeling that the best QB in CPJ's system at this level of play is a big bruiser with decent speed a la JFN.  I'm not sure JT can take the pounding on all those keepers.  I think we do have a solid backup that fits the mold with Byerly.  Just my opinion...
I've thought the same thing. A QB who can routinely get 3-4 yards, sometimes more, is a tremendous asset in this system compared to a guy who alternately loses 2, gains 10, etc. One of our biggest problems is getting stuck behind the down and distance pace. Second and 11 is a nightmare for our offense.
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