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Rashad McCants claims papers were written for him

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Posted: 6/6/2014 8:49 AM

Rashad McCants claims papers were written for him 


From ESPN:

Rashad McCants, the second-leading scorer on the North Carolina basketball team that won the 2004-05 national title, told ESPN's "Outside the Lines" that tutors wrote his term papers, he rarely went to class for about half his time at UNC, and he remained able to play largely because he took bogus classes designed to keep athletes academically eligible.

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McCants has been complaining about Roy Williams for years so many will claim this is sour grapes.

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Posted: 6/6/2014 8:53 AM

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ESPNjacket wrote: From ESPN:

Rashad McCants, the second-leading scorer on the North Carolina basketball team that won the 2004-05 national title, told ESPN's "Outside the Lines" that tutors wrote his term papers, he rarely went to class for about half his time at UNC, and he remained able to play largely because he took bogus classes designed to keep athletes academically eligible.

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McCants has been complaining about Roy Williams for years so many will claim this is sour grapes.
Many university presidents and coaches should be doing hard time in prison for allowing stuff like this to happen.
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Posted: 6/6/2014 9:12 AM

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I do remember Hewitt making a remark about his recruitment....something to the effect of we couldn't even go after him because he would never survive at GT. 

We will likely see another UNC kid we couldn't pursue starting against us this fall on the football field...Junior G. 

The athletic programs in Chapel Hill and Athens GA have a lot in common.
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Posted: 6/6/2014 9:45 AM

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Brian Snow of Scout just tweeted something very true.  Let's be careful not to assume there isn't plenty of glass somewhere in the foundation of our house.

Just a reminder for all fans laughing at UNC today, there is one former athlete at every school that if he talks can cause A LOT of problems

— Brian Snow (@BSnowScout) June 6, 2014
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Posted: 6/6/2014 9:51 AM

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Just to throw a little more gas on the fire - the promos for this outside the lines episode says that McCants specifically says he believes Roy knew everything about what was going on.  Roy has so far been outside of this disaster and I am sure Rashad would love to drag him back in.
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Posted: 6/6/2014 10:14 AM

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Julius Hodge is having a field day with this.

https://twitter.com/Follow24Hodge

Edit: Hodge brings up a good point.  McCants is in fact crazy.  After washing out of the NBA, he performed at a pretty high level in other leagues, but never made it back.  This was a function of his mentality over his ability.

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Posted: 6/6/2014 10:26 AM

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ctmoore8 wrote:
ESPNjacket wrote: From ESPN:

Rashad McCants, the second-leading scorer on the North Carolina basketball team that won the 2004-05 national title, told ESPN's "Outside the Lines" that tutors wrote his term papers, he rarely went to class for about half his time at UNC, and he remained able to play largely because he took bogus classes designed to keep athletes academically eligible.

...

McCants has been complaining about Roy Williams for years so many will claim this is sour grapes.
Many university presidents and coaches should be doing hard time in prison for allowing stuff like this to happen.



Yes.  Its important to get the real criminals off the streets.  


I see what you mean now with the below quotation...

ctmoore8 wrote: 
 Reasonable people know there is no crime drop.  Legalizing activities does not constitute a "crime drop".  


Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.
  -Mark Twain
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Posted: 6/6/2014 11:09 AM

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This is a good summary of this story, excerpted from this:

McCants has not earned the greatest degree of credibility over his time as a basketball player, but his account falls in line with the university's acknowledgements of particular issues within the AFAM department — issues that are alleged to have been disproportionately exploited by athletes in the high-profile sports of football and basketball.

A gifted shooting guard who scored 1,721 career points in his three Tar Heels seasons, McCants is the first basketball player to speak out against the manner in which he was educated at UNC.

The irony of this is that McCants always was on the edge of being more trouble than he was worth. And now, nearly a decade after he played his final game in a Carolina blue uniform, there is the question of whether, despite that championship, he at last has crossed that line.
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Posted: 6/6/2014 11:14 AM

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dtm1997 wrote: Brian Snow of Scout just tweeted something very true.  Let's be careful not to assume there isn't plenty of glass somewhere in the foundation of our house.

Just a reminder for all fans laughing at UNC today, there is one former athlete at every school that if he talks can cause A LOT of problems

— Brian Snow (@BSnowScout) June 6, 2014
That isn't "very true".  This "one guy" is the last of about a hundred guys.  That is the difference.  If you can't see the difference in degree from what has been proven true at UNC and what is likely true VERSUS the couple of skeletons that all schools have then you are blind.
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Posted: 6/6/2014 11:25 AM

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waltonbuzz wrote:
dtm1997 wrote: Brian Snow of Scout just tweeted something very true.  Let's be careful not to assume there isn't plenty of glass somewhere in the foundation of our house.

Just a reminder for all fans laughing at UNC today, there is one former athlete at every school that if he talks can cause A LOT of problems

— Brian Snow (@BSnowScout) June 6, 2014
That isn't "very true".  This "one guy" is the last of about a hundred guys.  That is the difference.  If you can't see the difference in degree from what has been proven true at UNC and what is likely true VERSUS the couple of skeletons that all schools have then you are blind.
+1 

Anyone who thinks that the UNC story is about one former athlete at this point is beyond blind and simply untruthful. The UNC defenders keep using the same tactic, attack each and every individual who speaks out against the AFAM scandal.

McCants isn't a particularly trustworthy source yet his story is pretty much an exact match to all of the others.
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Posted: 6/6/2014 11:53 AM

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ESPNjacket wrote:
waltonbuzz wrote:
dtm1997 wrote: Brian Snow of Scout just tweeted something very true.  Let's be careful not to assume there isn't plenty of glass somewhere in the foundation of our house.

Just a reminder for all fans laughing at UNC today, there is one former athlete at every school that if he talks can cause A LOT of problems

— Brian Snow (@BSnowScout) June 6, 2014
That isn't "very true".  This "one guy" is the last of about a hundred guys.  That is the difference.  If you can't see the difference in degree from what has been proven true at UNC and what is likely true VERSUS the couple of skeletons that all schools have then you are blind.
+1 

Anyone who thinks that the UNC story is about one former athlete at this point is beyond blind and simply untruthful. The UNC defenders keep using the same tactic, attack each and every individual who speaks out against the AFAM scandal.

McCants isn't a particularly trustworthy source yet his story is pretty much an exact match to all of the others.
I didn't post that to defend UNC, as much as I agree that every school has its shares of academic situations amongst student athletes that are less than the highest level of integrity, including our school.  I'm not claiming we or any other school has a lack of control, but last I checked, it only takes one skeleton to have a significant negative effect.

Feel free to bash UNC all you want.  What apparently took place is indeed shameful?  Just be wary that the shoe could be on the other foot someday, leaving egg on our collective face.

Also, I'll have both of you know, I wear corrective lenses leaving me far from blind.
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Posted: 6/6/2014 11:54 AM

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dtm1997 wrote: Julius Hodge is having a field day with this.

https://twitter.com/Follow24Hodge

Edit: Hodge brings up a good point.  McCants is in fact crazy.  After washing out of the NBA, he performed at a pretty high level in other leagues, but never made it back.  This was a function of his mentality over his ability.

This seems like a real Catch 22. Anyone that allows someone to write papers for them and willingly takes bogus classes is going to have a credibility problem. Anyone who is not involved maintains their credibility but had nothing to tell.
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Posted: 6/6/2014 11:54 AM

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I'll repeat. The most honest solution would be to have university-sponsored football and basketball teams full of ringers that don't attend classes at all. No students, just athletes. Pay them. Even though I take a lot of pride in the fact that these shenanigans don't happen to the same degree at Tech, my support still props up the system. Tech doesn't exist in a vacuum absent of this crap, only playing opponents who choose to take the high road. It's getting harder and harder to justify spending discretionary income on entertainment that is so shameless.
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Posted: 6/6/2014 11:54 AM

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1990Jackets wrote:
ctmoore8 wrote:
ESPNjacket wrote: From ESPN:

Rashad McCants, the second-leading scorer on the North Carolina basketball team that won the 2004-05 national title, told ESPN's "Outside the Lines" that tutors wrote his term papers, he rarely went to class for about half his time at UNC, and he remained able to play largely because he took bogus classes designed to keep athletes academically eligible.

...

McCants has been complaining about Roy Williams for years so many will claim this is sour grapes.
Many university presidents and coaches should be doing hard time in prison for allowing stuff like this to happen.



Yes.  Its important to get the real criminals off the streets.  


I see what you mean now with the below quotation...

ctmoore8 wrote: 
 Reasonable people know there is no crime drop.  Legalizing activities does not constitute a "crime drop".  
I am honored that you would follow me this closely.  Try to overlook my errors.
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Posted: 6/6/2014 12:03 PM

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dtm1997 wrote:
ESPNjacket wrote:
waltonbuzz wrote:
 
That isn't "very true".  This "one guy" is the last of about a hundred guys.  That is the difference.  If you can't see the difference in degree from what has been proven true at UNC and what is likely true VERSUS the couple of skeletons that all schools have then you are blind.
+1 

Anyone who thinks that the UNC story is about one former athlete at this point is beyond blind and simply untruthful. The UNC defenders keep using the same tactic, attack each and every individual who speaks out against the AFAM scandal.

McCants isn't a particularly trustworthy source yet his story is pretty much an exact match to all of the others.
I didn't post that to defend UNC, as much as I agree that every school has its shares of academic situations amongst student athletes that are less than the highest level of integrity, including our school.  I'm not claiming we or any other school has a lack of control, but last I checked, it only takes one skeleton to have a significant negative effect.

Feel free to bash UNC all you want.  What apparently took place is indeed shameful?  Just be wary that the shoe could be on the other foot someday, leaving egg on our collective face.

Also, I'll have both of you know, I wear corrective lenses leaving me far from blind.
This isn't about a skeleton. It is about a fraudulent academic department, which is something I doubt you'll ever see at GT, with the athletic department possibly funneling athletes into that department simply to maintain eligibility. It was systemic, and as you mention, shameful.

This isn't about one or two or three guys over one or two or three years. It is inherently different. My interest in this story isn't to bash UNC. Widespread academic fraud should be exposed and eliminated.

The skeleton warning is just a weak attempt at deflection, but I'll be sure to be wary. biggrin
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Posted: 6/6/2014 12:08 PM

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ESPNjacket wrote:
dtm1997 wrote:
ESPNjacket wrote:
waltonbuzz wrote:
 
That isn't "very true".  This "one guy" is the last of about a hundred guys.  That is the difference.  If you can't see the difference in degree from what has been proven true at UNC and what is likely true VERSUS the couple of skeletons that all schools have then you are blind.
+1 

Anyone who thinks that the UNC story is about one former athlete at this point is beyond blind and simply untruthful. The UNC defenders keep using the same tactic, attack each and every individual who speaks out against the AFAM scandal.

McCants isn't a particularly trustworthy source yet his story is pretty much an exact match to all of the others.
I didn't post that to defend UNC, as much as I agree that every school has its shares of academic situations amongst student athletes that are less than the highest level of integrity, including our school.  I'm not claiming we or any other school has a lack of control, but last I checked, it only takes one skeleton to have a significant negative effect.

Feel free to bash UNC all you want.  What apparently took place is indeed shameful?  Just be wary that the shoe could be on the other foot someday, leaving egg on our collective face.

Also, I'll have both of you know, I wear corrective lenses leaving me far from blind.
This isn't about a skeleton. It is about a fraudulent academic department, which is something I doubt you'll ever see at GT, with the athletic department possibly funneling athletes into that department simply to maintain eligibility. It was systemic, and as you mention, shameful.

This isn't about one or two or three guys over one or two or three years. It is inherently different. My interest in this story isn't to bash UNC. Widespread academic fraud should be exposed and eliminated.

The skeleton warning is just a weak attempt at deflection, but I'll be sure to be wary. biggrin
I agree with your point about widespread academic fraud.  I'd also maintain that it may not be fraud to this degree, but academic corners are cut at all schools... possibly on a widespread basis... across more sports than football or basketball.
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Posted: 6/6/2014 12:30 PM

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steeznutz wrote: I'll repeat. The most honest solution would be to have university-sponsored football and basketball teams full of ringers that don't attend classes at all. No students, just athletes. Pay them. Even though I take a lot of pride in the fact that these shenanigans don't happen to the same degree at Tech, my support still props up the system. Tech doesn't exist in a vacuum absent of this crap, only playing opponents who choose to take the high road. It's getting harder and harder to justify spending discretionary income on entertainment that is so shameless.
I don't know where to begin or the words to use to express how much I disagree with this.  But, I'll give it a try.  wink  Nobody is twisting any young person's arms to go to college to play sports in exchange for an education.  Too much is focused IMO on the scandalous and those who don't care instead of the thousands, perhaps millions, over time who have advanced themselves with a chance to gain a free or significantly-cost-reduced education.

There are minor leagues as options for those who don't want to obtain an education.  Colleges don't need to lower their standards for the sake of being athletics-only-minded.  What needs to happen is the participating universities need to reform the set of rules that they are going to play by.  The NCAA has created a mountain of silly rules - many of them petty and unenforceable.  Further, they actually have some rules which when you look closely at them are not in the best interest of the student-athlete.

But, once those rules are reformed/refined, there needs to be a far more strict set of enforcements that are consistently exercised to punish those who cheat.  They need to wipe the slate clean of all former penalties and everybody starts over once the rules are reformed to cleanse of dumb NCAA decisions in the past which set precedents for punishments.  Yet, once everyone starts new, there needs to be a defined set of punishments which are deterrents in a major way.

For instance, this whole UNC mess got a slap on the wrist essentially.  Their FB and MBB programs should be shut down for 4 years.  Death penalty for 4 years.  That will essentially knock them out for about a decade as it will take them time to pick themselves back up once the death penalty is over.  Will that stop Alabama from cheating in FB?  Not necessarily, but it will damn well get their attention I betcha. 

If we had basketball and football players wearing GEORGIA TECH on their uniforms and they take no classes and are paid as you are suggesting, I know I won't be alone in that I will not support them for one second.  I barely even acknowledge that Chris Bosh, Thad Young, et al, are Yellow Jackets as-is now.  At least Jarrett Jack and Calvin Johnson stayed long enough they had to pass some classes to stay eligible.

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Posted: 6/6/2014 12:48 PM

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GTJT622 wrote:
If we had basketball and football players wearing GEORGIA TECH on their uniforms and they take no classes and are paid as you are suggesting, I know I won't be alone in that I will not support them for one second.  
I can guarantee you that you will not be the only one.  There will be at least 2.
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Posted: 6/6/2014 1:16 PM

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GTJT622 wrote:
steeznutz wrote: I'll repeat. The most honest solution would be to have university-sponsored football and basketball teams full of ringers that don't attend classes at all. No students, just athletes. Pay them. Even though I take a lot of pride in the fact that these shenanigans don't happen to the same degree at Tech, my support still props up the system. Tech doesn't exist in a vacuum absent of this crap, only playing opponents who choose to take the high road. It's getting harder and harder to justify spending discretionary income on entertainment that is so shameless.
I don't know where to begin or the words to use to express how much I disagree with this.  But, I'll give it a try.  wink  Nobody is twisting any young person's arms to go to college to play sports in exchange for an education.  Too much is focused IMO on the scandalous and those who don't care instead of the thousands, perhaps millions, over time who have advanced themselves with a chance to gain a free or significantly-cost-reduced education.

There are minor leagues as options for those who don't want to obtain an education.  Colleges don't need to lower their standards for the sake of being athletics-only-minded.  What needs to happen is the participating universities need to reform the set of rules that they are going to play by.  The NCAA has created a mountain of silly rules - many of them petty and unenforceable.  Further, they actually have some rules which when you look closely at them are not in the best interest of the student-athlete.

But, once those rules are reformed/refined, there needs to be a far more strict set of enforcements that are consistently exercised to punish those who cheat.  They need to wipe the slate clean of all former penalties and everybody starts over once the rules are reformed to cleanse of dumb NCAA decisions in the past which set precedents for punishments.  Yet, once everyone starts new, there needs to be a defined set of punishments which are deterrents in a major way.

For instance, this whole UNC mess got a slap on the wrist essentially.  Their FB and MBB programs should be shut down for 4 years.  Death penalty for 4 years.  That will essentially knock them out for about a decade as it will take them time to pick themselves back up once the death penalty is over.  Will that stop Alabama from cheating in FB?  Not necessarily, but it will damn well get their attention I betcha. 

If we had basketball and football players wearing GEORGIA TECH on their uniforms and they take no classes and are paid as you are suggesting, I know I won't be alone in that I will not support them for one second.  I barely even acknowledge that Chris Bosh, Thad Young, et al, are Yellow Jackets as-is now.  At least Jarrett Jack and Calvin Johnson stayed long enough they had to pass some classes to stay eligible.
We are more similar in our thinking than you realize. I agree with most of your post, except that there are no minor leagues for football, so if you want to play that, you're stuck in college for 3 years.  Otherwise, I'm on board with your thoughts, and in an ideal world, it would be that way.  But we don't live in an ideal world. We live in a world where the Penn State administration aided and abetted a child molester for the sake of the football program. If we haven't passed it already, we are getting to the point where a major university's side business (athletics) is becoming more important than their primary business (education). I agree, I don't think colleges should lower their standards. I know Tech is one place that will not, and for that I'm glad. I'm still not in favor of going all the way to compensated non-student athletes, but that would be way more honest than the system we have now. We're the only country in the world that counts on college kids to produce entertainment and it's creating moral dilemmas by the gross.
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Posted: 6/6/2014 1:23 PM

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ESPNjacket wrote: From ESPN:

Rashad McCants, the second-leading scorer on the North Carolina basketball team that won the 2004-05 national title, told ESPN's "Outside the Lines" that tutors wrote his term papers, he rarely went to class for about half his time at UNC, and he remained able to play largely because he took bogus classes designed to keep athletes academically eligible.

...

McCants has been complaining about Roy Williams for years so many will claim this is sour grapes.
This reminds me, did y'all hear that Liberace was gay?  Who knew.




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