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Posted: 6/3/2014 9:47 PM

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Be bold, folks. I want to know when everyone thinks GT will win a national championship in the big three: football, hoops or baseball.

The recent trend of mediocrity surrounding the big three has had me wondering about this lately. When I was 8yo, I attended my first GT football games and hoops games. One year later, GT won the national championship in football and advanced to the school's first ever Final 4 in hoops. Good times, right? I'm thinking, "Wow, being a GT fan is sweet!" My baseball fandom soon followed. As a GT frosh, I watched the Jackets earn a top national seed and advance to the first of several Super Regionals against USC. Twice in the next six years, I watched GT advance to Omaha.

Lately, I've reflected on those times longingly. Now at the age of 33 and with my father and fellow GT fan approaching his mid-60s, I can't help but wonder when the next great run will occur. I would love to enjoy a special season or two with him while he's still with me!

So I'm going on record and making my predictions:

Baseball - I feel this is the sport we are best positioned to compete against the elite programs. We consistently bring in strong talent and I do not see that changing anytime soon given the fertile recruiting grounds on which we reside. I give CFDH credit for attempting to adapt to small ball (sometimes with better results than others) and the two recent ACCT championships have been special. With a very talented, young nucleus returning, we could be primed for a good (possibly great) year next year. I have long been of the opinion that I do not think Coach Hall is the guy to take us to that next level (sure hope I'm wrong!). This is not a post to call for any firings or elicit that type of discussion, so please do not do so. Just sharing my opinion. I think, with a new direction, GT can reach the Promised Land and with Coach Hall turning 60 in November, his tenure is likely approaching its end the next decade. I will go put on my rose-colored glasses and say Coach Hall's replacement (or the replacement's replacement) will take us to that next level. GT will win the national title within the next 15 years.

Basketball - To this day, despite the recent run of disappointments, I firmly believe we are a sleeping giant here - now more so than ever - given our location and inclusion in the expanded, bigger and better ACC. We have a proud tradition as PGU and need to get back to that level. Great guard play wins championships. Been proven time and again. I don't think there is any reason GT should not be able to attract the level of talent annually to make us a perennial NCAAT team like we were under Cremins - and steady although inconsistently under Hewitt. I like Coach Gregory on a personal level, seems like a fantastic guy. But I have my doubts that he is the answer. The proof will ultimately be in the pudding, and with Hewitt's buyout being paid down and the new TV contract money kicking in, we may have a new direction sooner than later if CBG does not produce soon. I think we all would love to see CBG succeed and be the long-term answer, but if he's not, I think we'll have resolution in the near future. With the former Chair of the Selection Committee as our AD, I feel strongly he will look to hit one out of the park when and if the time comes for a new hire. He has major connections and a track record of fantastic hires at Xavier, not to mention the draw of America's elite conference, once again. When CPH inherited a 13-17 squad in Cremins' last season, who would have guessed we'd be playing for a national title four years later? Direction can change and change very quickly in college hoops. GT will have a national title in b-ball by 2024.

Football
- Sadly, I think 1990 marks the one and only national title of my lifetime for GT football. At least it feels that way given the current landscape of college football and our place in it as a proud athletic institution outside of the SEC with nowhere for our student-athletes to hide. We have always been at a disadvantage vs. the factories due to our unique academic standards (at least in my lifetime, anyway) and it has only become more pronounced the past several years. The gap is widening, not narrowing. We simply do not sign enough elite players (especially at the point of attack) to consistently compete at a high level to the point where we can annually compete for a BCS bid and have a realistic shot of reaching the Final 4 in the new format. We could catch lightning in a bottle one year, sure, and catch all the breaks. But it will take that and then some to even have a shot here. I'd love to be a blind optimist and predict a memorable breakthrough, but I just don't see it happening in my lifetime, especially given the 2014 landscape. Plenty of time for things to change, but that's what it's going to take, IMO.

What say you?

"It's a great day for me, John. I found out my son's gonna have another little boy. It's just great. It's the greatest win I've ever had. Our kids just fought and hung in there. They wouldn't quit. We told 'em we thought we could win at halftime, and we did it." -B. Ross, 11/3/90

Last edited 6/3/2014 11:24 PM by 2003gtbee

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Posted: 6/3/2014 10:08 PM

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Football - only if the NFL starts a developmental league with pay and benefits. No school work, just practice and games. College football would have to recreate itself.

Last edited 6/3/2014 10:12 PM by b024mpd

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Posted: 6/3/2014 10:36 PM

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Don't you guys know?  We didn't actually win the MNC in 1990.  It was a mirage... a dream of some leftover old men reminiscing about the good ol' days in the SEC, the last gasp of Dodd's ghost.  It's impossible that we won the MNC in 1990 because the competition is just too good, and GT is just too hard, for us to ever be that good.  But it was a sweet dream, wasn't it?
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Posted: 6/3/2014 10:44 PM

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The phantom clip on Ishmail's punt return and those four turnovers @ UNC still haunt me to this day. Regardless, I still think we should have been unanimous champs given our undefeated status and quality wins @ then-No. 1 UVa, vs. Clemson, vs. Nebraska, etc. But if the return TD stands and/or we win in Chapel Hill, it's a moot point. I want to say we outgained the Heels something like 450-150 yards.

"It's a great day for me, John. I found out my son's gonna have another little boy. It's just great. It's the greatest win I've ever had. Our kids just fought and hung in there. They wouldn't quit. We told 'em we thought we could win at halftime, and we did it." -B. Ross, 11/3/90

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Posted: 6/3/2014 11:08 PM

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I'd say in the next 10 to 100 years.
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Posted: 6/3/2014 11:23 PM

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b024mpd wrote: Football - only if the NFL starts a developmental league with pay and benefits. No school work, just practice and games. College football would have to recreate itself.
Colleges would need to do what they were doing before the NFL..

I don't know how much longer we can continue to elevate our students intellectually and academically and still expect to compete in football.  How do you continue to find 300 lb men with 1400 SAT's willing to crash into other 300 lb men with 800 SAT's every play of a football game.  With the kind of intellect it will take to make the grade at Tech in 20 more years, who would want to risk loosing it through concussions caused by colliding with brutes whose own concussions might cause an intellectual improvement.  I don't wish to mock the intellectually challenged athletes at other schools.  It is just that our GT students are beginning to be a very valuable national and world resource.

If I am wrong, it will not be the first time.

But we could win a golf, basketball, or baseball championship easily enough in men's sports.  In women's sports, volleyball and tennis are possibilities  I don't know about softball. .

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Posted: 6/3/2014 11:59 PM

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It is going to take a very, very special coach for GT to win a championship. GT just does not have the fan base (money) to automatically be a contender.

Take baseball. CDH does a very good job. If we replaced him, I feel we would have a 75% chance of getting worse, 25% better. However, I do not think we ever win a championship with him. It can be done, Vandy and Rice are schools like us that have a chance. However, it would take a special, special coach.

Take basketball. CBG took over a disaster. Its too early to tell if he is going to succeed, buy YTD results are not promising. Bobby had us close for a while and even early Paul gave us a chance, so it is possible. However it will take a start like Bobby or Paul had and the strength to carry it for 20 years.

Take football. This is probably the least likely since you have to have 50 good players rather than 8 for basketball or 15 for baseball and money rules. CPJ is a good coach, but his system and his personality will not allow him to recruit enough great players to compete at a high level. We might could compete with someone with a personality like Dabo, who also could coach, or with someone who ran a system players loved and felt like prepared them for the pros. However, if we got someone that good, they would probably be at Alabama or Notre Dame after 5 years.
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Posted: 6/4/2014 12:00 AM

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2003gtbee wrote: Be bold, folks. I want to know when everyone thinks GT will win a national championship in the big three: football, hoops or baseball.

There is no big three. It's a myth made up to make GT sports look bad.
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Posted: 6/4/2014 6:57 AM

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Baseball - We will win a regional sometime in the next 50 years.

Basketball - We will go to the NCAA tournament in the next 10 years.

Football - When we get a shutdown defense that can stop the big boys.
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Posted: 6/4/2014 7:57 AM

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Football next year, but sometimes I drink too much.
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Posted: 6/4/2014 8:12 AM

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I think soon in football:
Everything is in place Just need that special QB like Joe Hamilton, Tracy Ham.
Justin Thomas, Byerly, Jordan, Ratliffe may be the one!!!

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Posted: 6/4/2014 8:24 AM

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olgoldandwhite wrote:

Football - When we get a shutdown defense that can stop the big boys.
This.

And thanks for saying it.  90% of the discussion on the Hive is about our offense.  Yet, the difference in being a program that is knocking on the door to get into the playoffs and being big time lands with significant improvement in defense IMO.

I think if the playoffs expands to 8 teams in the future that helps us too.  If we can get into an 8-team playoff where opposing teams don't have 5 or 6 weeks to prep for us but instead significantly less time, then it will help our funky offense as well I believe.
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Posted: 6/4/2014 8:39 AM

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Good post, and I generally agree with your conclusions. In the near term, I believe I am correct in saying that we don't have the money to hire a big time basketball or football coach (and staff) even if they did want to come here, correct?
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Posted: 6/4/2014 8:47 AM

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We will win a national championship in football by 2025. This isn't conjecture or hopefulness, it's a fact of history. We have an MNC in every quarter century since we started playing:

1900-1925: We won in 1917, before most of the south knew what football was and only Ivy League teams won championships
1925-1950: We won in 1928, when we played in the only bowl game that existed at the time
1950-1975: We won in 1952, when legends like Dodd, Bryant, and Wilkinson roamed the sidelines
1975-2000: We won in 1990, despite the dominance of modern programs like Miami and FSU
2000-2025: We'll win in TBD. We've continually adapted to the ever-changing landscape of college football and have succeeded with leather helmets and plastic ones, with forward passes and without, against true amateurs and against the semi-pro "student" athletes of the modern era. We'll do it again. Soon.
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:07 AM

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It will be easier to win a national championship in baseball or basketball. A few things need to happen.

In basketball, we need a repeat of the Bobby Cremins hiring. Bobby showed us that you can turn around a program in a few short years by bringing in one or two studs a year. In football, you'd need more like 6-8 a year for the same impact. You could probably get the same results in baseball with one or two a year.

Bobby brought energy, enthusiasm, and charisma to our program. There are guys like him out there. Young, energetic coaches who are paying their dues in the lower levels. We just need to find one who is a good fit with Georgia Tech.

Another important piece of the puzzle would be to find a sugar daddy with very deep pockets who loves Georgia Tech athletics and is willing to write big checks to advance the programs. With some of the financial pressure removed, a responsible AD would be able to put the added money to good use and put us on a more equal footing with the large programs.
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:19 AM

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mistertouchdown wrote:
Another important piece of the puzzle would be to find a sugar daddy with very deep pockets who loves Georgia Tech athletics and is willing to write big checks to advance the programs. With some of the financial pressure removed, a responsible AD would be able to put the added money to good use and put us on a more equal footing with the large programs.
Seems like we are on a nice path.  We've had some sugar daddies give major bucks to significantly improve facilities.  The Hill (contrary to tired, unfounded belief by some on the Hive) is creating sports management types of degree tracks/concentrations.  The ACC should be significantly more profitable and more revenue coming in with new TV contracts and the potential of a revenue-generating-machine in the future with its own network.  With the facilities in much better shape now, perhaps some sugar daddies will start giving major millions to Bobinski to attract and equally or more important keep big time coaches. 

Contrary to the Hive Miserable Society's constant whining and complaining, we have a lot going for us moving forward.  And, we don't have to lower standards to get to where we want to go.
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:41 AM

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No we need to get the bagman program to a higher level.  Once you get it to a robust state, then the players will come.  After the players come, it is a matter of time.

We don't need big donors, we need bagmen.

mistertouchdown wrote:Another important piece of the puzzle would be to find a sugar daddy with very deep pockets who loves Georgia Tech athletics and is willing to write big checks to advance the programs. With some of the financial pressure removed, a responsible AD would be able to put the added money to good use and put us on a more equal footing with the large programs.
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Posted: 6/4/2014 10:17 AM

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mistertouchdown wrote: It will be easier to win a national championship in baseball or basketball. A few things need to happen.

In basketball, we need a repeat of the Bobby Cremins hiring. Bobby showed us that you can turn around a program in a few short years by bringing in one or two studs a year. In football, you'd need more like 6-8 a year for the same impact. You could probably get the same results in baseball with one or two a year.

Bobby brought energy, enthusiasm, and charisma to our program. There are guys like him out there. Young, energetic coaches who are paying their dues in the lower levels. We just need to find one who is a good fit with Georgia Tech.

Another important piece of the puzzle would be to find a sugar daddy with very deep pockets who loves Georgia Tech athletics and is willing to write big checks to advance the programs. With some of the financial pressure removed, a responsible AD would be able to put the added money to good use and put us on a more equal footing with the large programs.
Suggest that generally basketball is the most likely in terms of time proximity, mainly because its a matter of recruiting a few great kids over a 2-3 year period.  But we have questions about coaching/recruiting.

We are already very competitive in baseball, so its a matter of continuing to recruit and making a breakthrough back to Omaha.  Once we get back there, if we can get on a hot streak and we can win.  We might could win in 2015.

Football is the toughest, but so was it in 1990.  We have a uniquely qualified HC with a good concept, some fine assistants and a good nucleus.  We won the NC in 1990 without a load of 4-5 star athletes.  We need to take advantage of the opportunity for improved recruitment and we have to tighten up our academic attrition issues. The stars probably need to be aligned to some degree so that other teams fall off the wagon late, but the opportunity is there to make the Final 4 (or hopefully 8 before too long).  But FB probably presents the most and biggest challenges for another NC.
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Posted: 6/4/2014 10:47 AM

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While I follow all 3 sports, I have to comment on what seems to be a common thought amongst the 5 concerning football. I will preface this by saying I do put an overabundance of comparisons between GT and Uga simply because it is constantly thrown in our face and, yes, I know this is not specifically of national championship talk. I will use last season as my argument. We went 7-6 , Uga went 8-5. Our season was another average one with similar results- coulda,/shoulda. Uga had a chance late in the season to be in the SEC championship, even with their early season losses. We lost to them after having a 20 pt. lead and still had out chances late in the 4th qtr to put it away. Issue I am bringing up is if all what is said in this thread about gap widening, Tech has little chance competing, we were so very close again last year for a pretty good season and out gap with Uga is not as bad as it seems. I know, we have lost WAY too many games to them, but we seem to take UNC every year with the same theoretical gap. We have a mental block with them. What I have said over the last several years is we are lacking a John Dyer/ Derrick Morgan that seemed to be involved in a few crucial plays that won us some games we are losing. I do thing we are getting a few of these type players back, not as many as some other teams, but we usually seem to do pretty well with the few we do get. We had our chances in the ACC championship game vs Fsu where we backed into the game. I am of the thinking we are very close to being what we want and am in hopes it is not far in our future.

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Posted: 6/4/2014 11:30 AM

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2003gtbee wrote: The phantom clip on Ishmail's punt return and those four turnovers @ UNC still haunt me to this day. Regardless, I still think we should have been unanimous champs given our undefeated status and quality wins @ then-No. 1 UVa, vs. Clemson, vs. Nebraska, etc. But if the return TD stands and/or we win in Chapel Hill, it's a moot point. I want to say we outgained the Heels something like 450-150 yards.
You cannot bring all this crap up without also mentioning the 5th down the other team got to win a game they otherwise would not have.
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