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Posted: 2/22/2013 8:57 AM
At least we no longer have the CTO
Clogged Toilet Offense by season (offensive efficiency):
2008-2009: 194th
2010-2011: 183rd
2005-2006: 113th
2009-2010: 62nd
2004-2005: 53rd
2002-2003: 50th
2007-2008: 33rd
2003-2004: 25th
2006-2007: 15th
Complete Plumbing Failure the Whole House is Flooded Offense by season (offensive efficiency):
2011-2012: 254th
2012-2013: 249th
A team with Zam Fredrick III running the point as a true freshman, with no backup, was far more efficient than this train wreck we're running out there. There are plenty of excuses for being poor offensively. There are ZERO excuses for being this truly wretched.
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Posted: 2/22/2013 9:02 AM
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Two good shooters would cure this in a skinny minute. We have the worst shooting guards and small forwards of any team at any level that I've ever seen. And someone indicated the other day we may be thinking about a 4 out offense....  Georgian By Birth - Jacket By the Grace of God
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Posted: 2/22/2013 9:11 AM
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vadimivich wrote: Clogged Toilet Offense by season (offensive efficiency):
2008-2009: 194th
2010-2011: 183rd
2005-2006: 113th
2009-2010: 62nd
2004-2005: 53rd
2002-2003: 50th
2007-2008: 33rd
2003-2004: 25th
2006-2007: 15th
Complete Plumbing Failure the Whole House is Flooded Offense by season (offensive efficiency):
2011-2012: 254th
2012-2013: 249th
A team with Zam Fredrick III running the point as a true freshman, with no backup, was far more efficient than this train wreck we're running out there. There are plenty of excuses for being poor offensively. There are ZERO excuses for being this truly wretched. "It's the shooting dummy". Your boy is soon to be fired from George Mason, maybe you should invest all your time there defending him.
TomH, Brew Master
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Posted: 2/22/2013 9:17 AM
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vadimivich wrote:
Complete Plumbing Failure the Whole House is Flooded Offense I lol'ed. |
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Posted: 2/22/2013 9:17 AM
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It is what it is.
I appreciate your analysis. You have shown facts. And to be fair, CBG was criticized for his offense before he came to Tech-------------------------However, there are a lot of positives with CBG as well.
Let's see what happens next season. If the offense doesn't get any better, then IMHO, CBG will be more open to criticism. There is an expression that should be noted here: "Sometimes you have to take a step back, to take two steps forward.". Based on the way CPH left the program, CBG deserves the benefit of the doubt that this is exactly what he is doing: clearing the foundation and rebuilding the program.
(edited to correct misinterpretation)
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Posted: 2/22/2013 9:23 AM
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T0P10B wrote: It is what it is.
It is a pretty chart a little attempt to add of some colors could help.  ( no red please) |
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Posted: 2/22/2013 9:27 AM
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T0P10B wrote: It is what it is.
This also shows that CPH got worse every single year he was here---9 years in a row, incredible; yet, there are still those that defend him.
I appreciate your analysis. You have shown facts. And to be fair, CBG was criticized for his offense before he came to Tech-------------------------However, there are a lot of positives with CBG as well.
Let's see what happens next season. If the offense doesn't get any better, then IMHO, CBG will be more open to criticism. There is an expression that should be noted here: "Sometimes you have to take a step back, to take two steps forward.". Based on the way CPH left the program, CBG deserves the benefit of the doubt that this is exactly what he is doing: clearing the foundation and rebuilding the program. I think this is the take - except the PH years are not in a row so the progression is more uneven. Several things being done really well by CBG but there is no doubt offense is the massive black hole with this team and one CBG has to fix. Gets a pass this year but really has to improve next year. Or else the dark side will be one with the Hive 
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Posted: 2/22/2013 9:30 AM
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T0P10B wrote:
This also shows that CPH got worse every single year he was here---9 years in a row, incredible; yet, there are still those that defend him.
It is a little early for the beer. That isn't close to true. |
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Posted: 2/22/2013 9:36 AM
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At least one urinal should be dedicated to CPH.
To Hell With Georgia
every day....every way!
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Posted: 2/22/2013 9:41 AM
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ESPNjacket wrote:
T0P10B wrote:
This also shows that CPH got worse every single year he was here---9 years in a row, incredible; yet, there are still those that defend him.
It is a little early for the beer. That isn't close to true. You are correct, my apologies. I got interupted and finished the post later. Plus, I was looking only at the order in which the op was listed..............that's my excuse and I'm sticking with it  Anyway, I stick with my basic premise that CPH was going in the wrong direction. And, CBG should be given a certain amount of time to rebuld the program; and, hopefully we will see offensive improvement next season. |
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Posted: 2/22/2013 9:46 AM
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T0P10B wrote:
You are correct, my apologies. I got interupted and finished the post later. Plus, I was looking only at the order in which the op was listed..............that's my excuse and I'm sticking with it
Anyway, I stick with my basic premise that CPH was going in the wrong direction. And, CBG should be given a certain amount of time to rebuld the program; and, hopefully we will see offensive improvement next season.  |
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Posted: 2/22/2013 9:53 AM
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vadimivich wrote: Clogged Toilet Offense by season (offensive efficiency):
2008-2009: 194th
2010-2011: 183rd
2005-2006: 113th
2009-2010: 62nd
2004-2005: 53rd
2002-2003: 50th
2007-2008: 33rd
2003-2004: 25th
2006-2007: 15th
Complete Plumbing Failure the Whole House is Flooded Offense by season (offensive efficiency):
2011-2012: 254th
2012-2013: 249th
A team with Zam Fredrick III running the point as a true freshman, with no backup, was far more efficient than this train wreck we're running out there. There are plenty of excuses for being poor offensively. There are ZERO excuses for being this truly wretched. Just want to point out that ZFIII was a sophmore that year. He played a little in 04-05.
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Posted: 2/22/2013 10:00 AM
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I give Vad credit. He predicted our offense with CBG would be bad and so far he has been correct. The numbers don't lie. I do feel like our offense creates more quality shots than with CPH but we are unable to finish those opportunities.
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Posted: 2/22/2013 10:03 AM
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Here they are in order. Not sure why the OP arranged them the way he did. I do agree that it's quite true to say that the trend was in the wrong direction.
2002-03: 50th
2003-04: 25th
2004-05: 53rd
2005-06: 113th
2006-07: 15th
2007-08: 33rd
2008-09: 194th
2009-10: 62nd
2010-11: 183rd
I think when you see those numbers, the only conclusion you can make is that Hewitt really didn't know how to teach the offensive game. If you know how to teach offense, I would think the numbers would be a little more consistent (as opposed to the wild cardiac chart starting with Fredrick).
However, this trend is back the other way so far. It's not good, but the cupboard was pretty bare when Hewitt left, so a new coach gets some time to get it going back in the right direction.
2011-12: 254th
2012-13: 249th
Last edited 2/22/2013 10:17 AM by techknowledgey
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Posted: 2/22/2013 10:06 AM
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The first two year's results is primarily the responsibility of the previous coach. Years 3, 4 and 5 are progressively the responsibity of the new coach.
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Posted: 2/22/2013 10:12 AM
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techknowledgey wrote: Here they are in order. Not sure why the OP arranged them the way he did. I do agree that it's quite true to say that the trend was in the wrong direction.
2002-03: 50th
2003-04: 25th
2004-05: 53rd
2005-06: 113th
2006-07: 15th
2007-08: 33rd
2008-09: 194th
2009-10: 62nd
2010-11: 183rd
I think when you see those numbers, the only conclusion you can make is that Hewitt really didn't know how to teach the offensive game. If you know how to teach offense, I would think the numbers would be a little more consistent (as opposed to the wild cardiac chart starting with Fredrick.
However, this trend is back the other way so far. It's not good, but the cupboard was pretty bare when Hewitt left, so a new coach gets some time to get it going back in the right direction.
2011-12: 254th
2012-13: 249th
thanks.
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Posted: 2/22/2013 10:23 AM
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Scoring is down across college basketball. Clemson Coach comments on it ... interesting: http://www.orangeandwhite.com/...ege-basketball/Also, here's a related article, "Mens college basketball scoring hitting new lows," published recently: http://www.chron.com/sports/co...ows-4244885.php
Last edited 2/22/2013 10:27 AM by GTRambler
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Posted: 2/22/2013 10:24 AM
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Geeze, this thread is depressing.
It shows me that a concerted search and locate effort should be mounted for a player or two who can shoot the eyes out of a basket.
Georgian By Birth - Jacket By the Grace of God
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Posted: 2/22/2013 10:27 AM
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Vad was correct. He did predict this. But, we have seen what we CAN do when we shoot the ball good. Defense, rebounding(sometimes) and taking the ball out of bounds(imho) have improved. I think we are headed in the right direction. I've even noticed some changing of the offense since the first of the year. It appears to be getting better.
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Posted: 2/22/2013 10:30 AM
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Am I to understand that Vadimivich here does not like Brian Gregory coaching our team?
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