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This may be old news - AD finances 2006-2011
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Posted: 02/20/2013 8:34 AM
This may be old news - AD finances 2006-2011  (5 votes)
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com...base/54955804/1This was posted on Duck Pond. I find it interesting that 2.8% of Oregon's AD revenue comes from subsidies compared to 30.5% for Oregon State. Since it's in the USAToday these numbers can't be disputed. Other interesting tidbits: SEC and Texas totally dominates in revenue tOSU, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Michigan (0.2%), Penn State, LSU get no subsidy Small schools would not have sports if it wasn't for subsidies Oregon ranked highest in revenue amongst Pac-12 public schools (Stanford an USC not included) Cal receives significantly greater subsidies than UCLA OS receives more than any other Pac-12 school in subsidies
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Posted: 02/20/2013 9:49 AM
Re: This may be old news - AD finances 2006-2011
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--- Go OR Ducks wrote:
OS receives more than any other Pac-12 school in subsidies
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But...but...but Beav fans (and the Oregonian) are always mentioning that the state taxpayers are paying for this or that at Oregon...
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Posted: 02/20/2013 11:01 AM
Re: This may be old news - AD finances 2006-2011  (2 votes)
Gordo, in looking at the exhibits, it is unclear why we need any subsidy and the source of the subsidy.. Are those the Oregon Lottery proceeds that every school gets, or some other item?The $16 million+ that the beevs gets was supposed to be stopped some time ago. What happened to that? --------------------------------------------- --- Go OR Ducks wrote: usatoday30.usatoday.com...base/54955804/1This was posted on Duck Pond. I find it interesting that 2.8% of Oregon's AD revenue comes from subsidies compared to 30.5% for Oregon State. Since it's in the USAToday these numbers can't be disputed. Other interesting tidbits: SEC and Texas totally dominates in revenue tOSU, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Michigan (0.2%), Penn State, LSU get no subsidy Small schools would not have sports if it wasn't for subsidies Oregon ranked highest in revenue amongst Pac-12 public schools (Stanford an USC not included) Cal receives significantly greater subsidies than UCLA OS receives more than any other Pac-12 school in subsidies --------------------------------------------- |
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Posted: 02/20/2013 11:35 AM
Re: This may be old news - AD finances 2006-2011  (1 vote)
It is sort of difficult to figure out the story that they're trying to tell here. Is this a composite? Snapshot? Averaging? Our debt to the general fund certainly did spike during the mid 2000's, but the debt is being retired.
Per Firstduck's comments, it is hard to discern the percentage of the 'subsidy' that is culled from student tuition, fee's etc..and what is a direct contribution from taxpayers.
Also, it would be helpful to see a breakdown of the 'revenue' numbers, because that could reflect a peak year for large donations, and does not necessarily reflect what the consistent revenue is that the AD can count on in terms of covering operating cost.
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Posted: 02/20/2013 11:56 AM
Re: This may be old news - AD finances 2006-2011
The expense shown for Oregon are pretty close. I suspect OSUs are close also.
Revenues are more difficult as do they include the donation of the Jaqua Center, or are they just $?
There is a MAJOR difference in subsidies for UO and OS, and that means the taxpayer has to be kicking in for OS. Bobby d has refinanced OS debt twice, which explains the new buildings he has authored
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It is sort of difficult to figure out the story that they're trying to tell here. Is this a composite? Snapshot? Averaging? Our debt to the general fund certainly did spike during the mid 2000's, but the debt is being retired.
Per Firstduck's comments, it is hard to discern the percentage of the 'subsidy' that is culled from student tuition, fee's etc..and what is a direct contribution from taxpayers.
Also, it would be helpful to see a breakdown of the 'revenue' numbers, because that could reflect a peak year for large donations, and does not necessarily reflect what the consistent revenue is that the AD can count on in terms of covering operating cost.
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Posted: 02/20/2013 2:36 PM
Re: This may be old news - AD finances 2006-2011  (4 votes)
Offensively Subsidized University
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Posted: 02/20/2013 3:18 PM
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I believe the so-called subsidy to the UO AD is due to the school paying for the tutors that help the athlete's at the Jaqua Center. The AD feels that it should be the University that is educating the athlete's and therefore their pay is shown as taken from the University budget. On the flip side, the AD argued that the vast majority of it's scholarship athlete's are from out of state and therefore paying the much more expensive out-of-state tuition, net above what the general population of out-of-state students works out to be. This difference more than makes up for any subsidy dollars that might filter through to the AD. This was the argument a few years ago, I'm not positive it is still 100% true today but I would guess it is close.
It IS NOT a matter of dependence, it's a matter of accounting and allowing the University do what it does best: teach; and let the AD do what it does best: build up athletes and win games.
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Posted: 02/20/2013 9:44 PM
Re: This may be old news - AD finances 2006-2011 (2 votes)
Well of course OSU needs to be subsidized.
A)Oregon State is a small market program with very little capital amongst fans
B)Since the conference, and NCAA for that matter, like to take it to the small market (Do you honestly think the Pac 12 would let a small market team like Oregon State go to the Rose Bowl) teams by not doing 100% revenue share. We're stuck with taxes.
And don't deny that last part. Many duck fans felt that they did the conference and Rose Bowl Game a service by preventing OSU from going in 08 and 09. Its like duck fans feel that the college football universe would implode were the Beavers ever to be successful.
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Posted: 02/20/2013 9:57 PM
Re: This may be old news - AD finances 2006-2011  (1 vote)
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--- GeorgeCostanza7 wrote:
Well of course OSU needs to be subsidized.
A)Oregon State is a small market program with very little capital amongst fans
B)Since the conference, and NCAA for that matter, like to take it to the small market (Do you honestly think the Pac 12 would let a small market team like Oregon State go to the Rose Bowl) teams by not doing 100% revenue share. We're stuck with taxes.
And don't deny that last part. Many duck fans felt that they did the conference and Rose Bowl Game a service by preventing OSU from going in 08 and 09. Its like duck fans feel that the college football universe would implode were the Beavers ever to be successful.
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Posted: 02/20/2013 9:57 PM
Re: This may be old news - AD finances 2006-2011  (1 vote)
Maybe the small market team without a billionaire to support it should move to a small market conference.
And what happened to all of those big bucks engineers we were told that we were flipping burgers for? Why can't they support their, and your's, school?
Subsidizing small markets in baseball hasn't worked either
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--- GeorgeCostanza7 wrote:
Well of course OSU needs to be subsidized.
A)Oregon State is a small market program with very little capital amongst fans
B)Since the conference, and NCAA for that matter, like to take it to the small market (Do you honestly think the Pac 12 would let a small market team like Oregon State go to the Rose Bowl) teams by not doing 100% revenue share. We're stuck with taxes.
And don't deny that last part. Many duck fans felt that they did the conference and Rose Bowl Game a service by preventing OSU from going in 08 and 09. Its like duck fans feel that the college football universe would implode were the Beavers ever to be successful.
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Posted: 02/20/2013 9:58 PM
Re: This may be old news - AD finances 2006-2011
GeorgeCostanza7 wrote: Well of course OSU needs to be subsidized.
A)Oregon State is a small market program with very little capital amongst fans
B)Since the conference, and NCAA for that matter, like to take it to the small market (Do you honestly think the Pac 12 would let a small market team like Oregon State go to the Rose Bowl) teams by not doing 100% revenue share. We're stuck with taxes.
And don't deny that last part. Many duck fans felt that they did the conference and Rose Bowl Game a service by preventing OSU from going in 08 and 09. Its like duck fans feel that the college football universe would implode were the Beavers ever to be successful. I guess this is why WSU has been to the Rose Bowl twice in the last 15 years, they must be a big market school. How are you figuring there isn't a 100% revenue share? TV money and bowl money not enough to split evenly? Do you think everyone should pool in their ticket sales and donations and split that too? Very confused. |
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Posted: 02/20/2013 11:09 PM
Re: This may be old news - AD finances 2006-2011
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It is sort of difficult to figure out the story that they're trying to tell here. Is this a composite? Snapshot? Averaging? Our debt to the general fund certainly did spike during the mid 2000's, but the debt is being retired.
Per Firstduck's comments, it is hard to discern the percentage of the 'subsidy' that is culled from student tuition, fee's etc..and what is a direct contribution from taxpayers.
Also, it would be helpful to see a breakdown of the 'revenue' numbers, because that could reflect a peak year for large donations, and does not necessarily reflect what the consistent revenue is that the AD can count on in terms of covering operating cost.
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No, it's not that difficult. But you do actually have to read it.
The amounts listed on the page are for 2011. A breakdown of the revenue numbers with a trend line (which gives a visual indication of the consistency of revenues) is available by clicking the small "+" icon on the lefthand side of the table. This is where you will find information on student fees, school funds, etc.
Next time look at the numbers before you decide the story is too vague.
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Posted: 02/20/2013 11:54 PM
Re: This may be old news - AD finances 2006-2011
not to mention, it's not like Eugene is some HUGE market compared to Corvallis.
Yeah buddy, the Pac-12 kept your team from the Rose Bowl... smh
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Washington State University laughs at this post
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--- GeorgeCostanza7 wrote:
Well of course OSU needs to be subsidized.
A)Oregon State is a small market program with very little capital amongst fans
B)Since the conference, and NCAA for that matter, like to take it to the small market (Do you honestly think the Pac 12 would let a small market team like Oregon State go to the Rose Bowl) teams by not doing 100% revenue share. We're stuck with taxes.
And don't deny that last part. Many duck fans felt that they did the conference and Rose Bowl Game a service by preventing OSU from going in 08 and 09. Its like duck fans feel that the college football universe would implode were the Beavers ever to be successful.
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Posted: 02/21/2013 7:07 AM
Re: This may be old news - AD finances 2006-2011
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--- GeorgeCostanza7 wrote:
Well of course OSU needs to be subsidized.
A)Oregon State is a small market program with very little capital amongst fans
B)Since the conference, and NCAA for that matter, like to take it to the small market (Do you honestly think the Pac 12 would let a small market team like Oregon State go to the Rose Bowl) teams by not doing 100% revenue share. We're stuck with taxes.
And don't deny that last part. Many duck fans felt that they did the conference and Rose Bowl Game a service by preventing OSU from going in 08 and 09. Its like duck fans feel that the college football universe would implode were the Beavers ever to be successful.
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I can't speak for other Duck fans but I wasn't happy that the Ducks kept the Beavs out of the Rose Bowl because it was a service to the conference or because a successful OSU team would implode the universe...I was happy because Oregon brutally curb stomped the Beavs dreams two seasons in a row. Its called a rivalry.
Honestly had the Beavers won either of those Civil War games they would've represented the PAC okay in the Rose Bowl. May not have won either of them but wouldn't have embarrassed the conference.
Still one of my favorite games as a Duck fan since 1977 was the '08 Civil War... "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO STOP HIM!!!!!!"
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Posted: 02/21/2013 8:35 AM
Re: This may be old news - AD finances 2006-2011
That '08 beavis squad was curb stomped by BIG innumerate Penn State earlier in September. It would have been bloodbath part two.
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Posted: 02/21/2013 8:50 AM
Re: This may be old news - AD finances 2006-2011 (1 vote)
"Washington State University laughs at this post"
The WSU athletic department receives a substaitial state subsidy every year to help fund women's athletics as a settlement of a Title IX lawsuit in the 1980s.
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Posted: 02/21/2013 9:56 AM
Re: This may be old news - AD finances 2006-2011  (1 vote)
WSU and TCU disagree with George Costanza. So does Oregon for that matter. --------------------------------------------- --- abcdux wrote: GeorgeCostanza7 wrote: Well of course OSU needs to be subsidized.
A)Oregon State is a small market program with very little capital amongst fans
B)Since the conference, and NCAA for that matter, like to take it to the small market (Do you honestly think the Pac 12 would let a small market team like Oregon State go to the Rose Bowl) teams by not doing 100% revenue share. We're stuck with taxes.
And don't deny that last part. Many duck fans felt that they did the conference and Rose Bowl Game a service by preventing OSU from going in 08 and 09. Its like duck fans feel that the college football universe would implode were the Beavers ever to be successful. I guess this is why WSU has been to the Rose Bowl twice in the last 15 years, they must be a big market school. How are you figuring there isn't a 100% revenue share? TV money and bowl money not enough to split evenly? Do you think everyone should pool in their ticket sales and donations and split that too? Very confused. --------------------------------------------- - join the duck side
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Posted: 02/21/2013 10:02 AM
Re: This may be old news - AD finances 2006-2011 (1 vote)
You're right, missed the "+" deal, my bad.
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--- jrlaco wrote:
It is sort of difficult to figure out the story that they're trying to tell here. Is this a composite? Snapshot? Averaging? Our debt to the general fund certainly did spike during the mid 2000's, but the debt is being retired.
Per Firstduck's comments, it is hard to discern the percentage of the 'subsidy' that is culled from student tuition, fee's etc..and what is a direct contribution from taxpayers.
Also, it would be helpful to see a breakdown of the 'revenue' numbers, because that could reflect a peak year for large donations, and does not necessarily reflect what the consistent revenue is that the AD can count on in terms of covering operating cost.
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No, it's not that difficult. But you do actually have to read it.
The amounts listed on the page are for 2011. A breakdown of the revenue numbers with a trend line (which gives a visual indication of the consistency of revenues) is available by clicking the small "+" icon on the lefthand side of the table. This is where you will find information on student fees, school funds, etc.
Next time look at the numbers before you decide the story is too vague.
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Posted: 02/21/2013 10:07 AM
Re: This may be old news - AD finances 2006-2011
Canard wrote: That '08 beavis squad was curb stomped by BIG innumerate Penn State earlier in September. It would have been bloodbath part two. Since Penn State had to vacate that Rose Bowl a certain beavis fan would be trying to spin that game as win.
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