Kahler already addressed your misinformation about the kid from Eugene. He didnt do what was expected , and that is why he isn't making a fuss about it.

You stated in your subject line that Riley yanked Neilsons scholly...and you were wrong. Still awaiting the list of players Riley has 'booted'

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Back to the drawing board? really? we have had players leave of course, during the off season, The Ducks have "1" JC for this year. I know you can't tell the difference but taking a scholarship away to make a spot for another player during recruiting week is not the same as a player leaving during the summer of after the season has just ended,.......and as far as being an ahole?  that's a generous assumption.
<blockquote dir="ltr" ><strong>jrlaco wrote:</strong>
haha...keep digging. You made an accusation against Riley that wasn't true, instead of being the bigger man, you transitioned in to calling me and others a-holes. Pretty weak.

Players will leave our program, as they do yours. JC's will suit up, as they do at Oregon

This one didnt go so well for you, back to the drawing board.
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--- oreduk wrote:

you're on a Duck board , Riley kicks kids to the curb just like Kiffen,.....fact. You're not going to "grey shirt" more than 1 player, you're already playing from behind and you've mortgaged your future with all the JC's, keep spinning it.

<span style="font-style: italic;">"Come the start of practice, OSU will have 85 players on scholarship,"

</span>No doubt, hope the kids that Riley kicks out of school have somewhere to go.
<blockquote dir="ltr" ><strong>kahler wrote:</strong> Derek Nielson was a walk-on. No scholarship was "yanked" because he was never on scholarship.

As far as being over the 85 limit, no signee is on scholarship until practice starts in August. Some may accept a grayshirt. Perhaps another won't qualify. Scholarships will open up from current players who graduate with eligibilty remaining and leave school, or who transfer, or who don't make grades, or who leave for whatever other reason.

Come the start of practice, OSU will have 85 players on scholarship, the legal limit. And some on this board will have to find another straw man to flail at. But thanks for your concern.</blockquote>

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Okay...so players leave Oregon on their own volition, but are drummed out at Oregon State. Siunds to me like you guys are the morally and ethically superior program.

I will take your word on all of this, given your sterling track record

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No I don't, he left, no one took his scholarship away, no one told him to leave and that he couldn't transfer to any school he wanted to, as you would say,....keep digging.
<blockquote dir="ltr" ><strong>jrlaco wrote:</strong> Who are these players Riley "kicked out" of the program?

Do you think Wallace was kicked out of the Oregon program?

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Accusation? really? he removed at "least" (4) scholies last year and is poised to double that this year, that's a fact, Players leave,...because Riley kicked them out of the program, oh but wait, it's either a "Big Boy" game or it's the wonderful wholesomeness that is os, make up your mind.<span style="font-style: italic;">
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This one didnt go so well for you, back to the drawing board.
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--- oreduk wrote:

you're on a Duck board , Riley kicks kids to the curb just like Kiffen,.....fact. You're not going to "grey shirt" more than 1 player, you're already playing from behind and you've mortgaged your future with all the JC's, keep spinning it.

<span style="font-style: italic;">"Come the start of practice, OSU will have 85 players on scholarship,"

</span>No doubt, hope the kids that Riley kicks out of school have somewhere to go.
<blockquote dir="ltr" ><strong>kahler wrote:</strong> Derek Nielson was a walk-on. No scholarship was "yanked" because he was never on scholarship.

As far as being over the 85 limit, no signee is on scholarship until practice starts in August. Some may accept a grayshirt. Perhaps another won't qualify. Scholarships will open up from current players who graduate with eligibilty remaining and leave school, or who transfer, or who don't make grades, or who leave for whatever other reason.

Come the start of practice, OSU will have 85 players on scholarship, the legal limit. And some on this board will have to find another straw man to flail at. But thanks for your concern.</blockquote>

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I consider you a representative of beaver nation, and as such you are party to all the of the morally pure posts you and your brethren have bequeathed upon this forum!!!
If you seriously think that 99.9% of your fan base doesn't think that they are the most bestest, honest fans in the world? well then,.....you're a Duck.
  

jrlaco wrote: Also..cite one example where I have ever claimed we were a morally superior program than yours.

I will save you some time..i haven't. Ever.

I can only answer for the things I say here...I have always been consistent on this topic
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--- oreduk wrote:

I consider you a representative of beaver nation, and as such you are party to all the of the morally pure posts you and your brethren have bequeathed upon this forum!!!
If you seriously think that 99.9% of your fan base doesn't think that they are the most bestest, honest fans in the world? well then,.....you're a Duck.
  
<blockquote dir="ltr" ><strong>jrlaco wrote:</strong> Also..cite one example where I have ever claimed we were a morally superior program than yours.

I will save you some time..i haven't. Ever.</blockquote>

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Didn't do what was expected? what was that exactly? not being as fast or have as good as footwork as a kid from Cali? You guys should take a lesson from Bellotti who took a 2a kid from a small coastal town named Donte Rosario, I remember all the bs from the beavs that he was reaching and that it was a publicity stunt, he was in your backyard,.....he got a scholarship

jrlaco wrote: Kahler already addressed your misinformation about the kid from Eugene. He didnt do what was expected , and that is why he isn't making a fuss about it.

You stated in your subject line that Riley yanked Neilsons scholly...and you were wrong. Still awaiting the list of players Riley has 'booted'

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--- oreduk wrote:

Back to the drawing board? really? we have had players leave of course, during the off season, The Ducks have "1" JC for this year. I know you can't tell the difference but taking a scholarship away to make a spot for another player during recruiting week is not the same as a player leaving during the summer of after the season has just ended,.......and as far as being an ahole?  that's a generous assumption.
<blockquote dir="ltr" ><strong>jrlaco wrote:</strong>
haha...keep digging. You made an accusation against Riley that wasn't true, instead of being the bigger man, you transitioned in to calling me and others a-holes. Pretty weak.

Players will leave our program, as they do yours. JC's will suit up, as they do at Oregon

This one didnt go so well for you, back to the drawing board.
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--- oreduk wrote:

you're on a Duck board , Riley kicks kids to the curb just like Kiffen,.....fact. You're not going to "grey shirt" more than 1 player, you're already playing from behind and you've mortgaged your future with all the JC's, keep spinning it.

<span style="font-style: italic;">"Come the start of practice, OSU will have 85 players on scholarship,"

</span>No doubt, hope the kids that Riley kicks out of school have somewhere to go.
<blockquote dir="ltr" ><strong>kahler wrote:</strong> Derek Nielson was a walk-on. No scholarship was "yanked" because he was never on scholarship.

As far as being over the 85 limit, no signee is on scholarship until practice starts in August. Some may accept a grayshirt. Perhaps another won't qualify. Scholarships will open up from current players who graduate with eligibilty remaining and leave school, or who transfer, or who don't make grades, or who leave for whatever other reason.

Come the start of practice, OSU will have 85 players on scholarship, the legal limit. And some on this board will have to find another straw man to flail at. But thanks for your concern.</blockquote>

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the scholarship offer was conditional on him losing weight...he and his parents both signed off on it. He didnt honor his end of the deal and the consequences were spelled out.

You sure do remember a lot of stuff.

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--- oreduk wrote:

Didn't do what was expected? what was that exactly? not being as fast or have as good as footwork as a kid from Cali? You guys should take a lesson from Bellotti who took a 2a kid from a small coastal town named Donte Rosario, I remember all the bs from the beavs that he was reaching and that it was a publicity stunt, he was in your backyard,.....he got a scholarship
<blockquote dir="ltr" ><strong>jrlaco wrote:</strong> Kahler already addressed your misinformation about the kid from Eugene. He didnt do what was expected , and that is why he isn't making a fuss about it.

You stated in your subject line that Riley yanked Neilsons scholly...and you were wrong. Still awaiting the list of players Riley has 'booted'

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--- oreduk wrote:

Back to the drawing board? really? we have had players leave of course, during the off season, The Ducks have "1" JC for this year. I know you can't tell the difference but taking a scholarship away to make a spot for another player during recruiting week is not the same as a player leaving during the summer of after the season has just ended,.......and as far as being an ahole?  that's a generous assumption.
<blockquote dir="ltr" ><strong>jrlaco wrote:</strong>
haha...keep digging. You made an accusation against Riley that wasn't true, instead of being the bigger man, you transitioned in to calling me and others a-holes. Pretty weak.

Players will leave our program, as they do yours. JC's will suit up, as they do at Oregon

This one didnt go so well for you, back to the drawing board.
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--- oreduk wrote:

you're on a Duck board , Riley kicks kids to the curb just like Kiffen,.....fact. You're not going to "grey shirt" more than 1 player, you're already playing from behind and you've mortgaged your future with all the JC's, keep spinning it.

<span style="font-style: italic;">"Come the start of practice, OSU will have 85 players on scholarship,"

</span>No doubt, hope the kids that Riley kicks out of school have somewhere to go.
<blockquote dir="ltr" ><strong>kahler wrote:</strong> Derek Nielson was a walk-on. No scholarship was "yanked" because he was never on scholarship.

As far as being over the 85 limit, no signee is on scholarship until practice starts in August. Some may accept a grayshirt. Perhaps another won't qualify. Scholarships will open up from current players who graduate with eligibilty remaining and leave school, or who transfer, or who don't make grades, or who leave for whatever other reason.

Come the start of practice, OSU will have 85 players on scholarship, the legal limit. And some on this board will have to find another straw man to flail at. But thanks for your concern.</blockquote>

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Alright then, consistent it is.

jrlaco wrote:
I can only answer for the things I say here...I have always been consistent on this topic
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--- oreduk wrote:

I consider you a representative of beaver nation, and as such you are party to all the of the morally pure posts you and your brethren have bequeathed upon this forum!!!
If you seriously think that 99.9% of your fan base doesn't think that they are the most bestest, honest fans in the world? well then,.....you're a Duck.
  
<blockquote dir="ltr" ><strong>jrlaco wrote:</strong> Also..cite one example where I have ever claimed we were a morally superior program than yours.

I will save you some time..i haven't. Ever.</blockquote>

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I mentioned the bisque

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You yada yada'd the best part
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Jrlaco:

Yada, Yada, Yada ..........

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--- oreduk wrote:

Didn't do what was expected? what was that exactly? not being as fast or have as good as footwork as a kid from Cali? You guys should take a lesson from Bellotti who took a 2a kid from a small coastal town named Donte Rosario, I remember all the bs from the beavs that he was reaching and that it was a publicity stunt, he was in your backyard,.....he got a scholarship
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I enjoy a non sequitur as much as the next guy, but geography is a pet peeve. Rosario was from Dayton, Dayton is not a small coastal town. You did get the small town part right though.

What I believe has happened here is you're confusing Rosario's story with that of Jordan Poyer who really does come from a small coastal town. He was not recruited by Bellotti, he was recruited by Riley to OSU where he became an All-Conference DB and is weeks away from being a high NFL draft pick.

Kahler is correct and every football program has attrition, whether a kid transfers, graduates early, quits because of injuries or flunks out.  Often recruits enroll early too and are counted against the previous class, which is what USC did this year.  The number of players on scholarship will only matter when the new class enrolls for fall practice.  FWIW, the Oregon coaches don't complain about how OSU recruits, etc.  However, many schools do a lot of negative recruiting including one NW school that Oregon fans don't like much anyway...