He still beat us for a very good RB.
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--- FightnDucks wrote:
Straw man.
Of course they could get a top 5 class, but they are established high profile HCs. Look how long it took the ole ball coach to get USCe competitive. And they still aren't there
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--- Boiseduk wrote:
there are always going to be some exceptions to a rule(like the one's you stated)...but I firmly believe that some coaches are way better recruiters than other coaches---no matter what school they are at.
Paul Hacket had some classes at USC that were somehow outside of the top 25...but when Pete carol got there---it was straight to number one for the Trojans in the recruiting rankings...Bama had three consecutive years(or three out of 4 years) where Shula finished lower than Oregon in the final recruiting rankings...but when Saban got there...straight to number one.
"recruiting gurus" do in fact exist...that is why Washington paid Tosh so much money to get them a top 15 class this year....UW was 66th in recruiting just a couple of years ago in 2009(10th in the pac10). they were second in the pac12 this year
imo, in the grand scheme of college football (at least over an extended period of years or decades, recruiting is a much bigger contributor to on the field winning percentage than good coaching---
just look at Texas with Mack Brown, great recruiter---terrible coach= 1 national title and 3-1 in BCS games(including 2 NCG appearances) six "top 5" finishes in the final polls. if the guy cant coach, then all of that talent got him some pretty nice rings.
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--- Boiseduk wrote:
I have an honest question--- If Phil Knight were to have pulled some strings and offered Urban Meyer or Nick Saban 10 million a year to become Oregon's next head coach this year, would either of those two recruiting gurus have been able to produce a top 5 class at Oregon within two years time? It is an interesting question about how much influence a master recruiter can have...
imo, I would bet that with Nick Saban or Urban Meyer going into living rooms as the Ducks head coach, that the odds would be pretty high that Oregon would realize it's first top 5 recruiting class in history---which would somewhat debunk the idea that geography, lack of tradition, and or lack of D1 talent within the state of Oregon makes it "impossible" for Oregon to recruit a top 5 class.
dont forget, before Oregon scored a top 10 class a couple of years ago---that accomplishment was deemed "impossible" by many Duck fans as well...due to all of the same reasons.
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Also keep in mind that Bowling Green and Utah under Urban Meyer and Michigan State under Nick Saban never had a Top 5 class while coaching at those schools. They became "recruiting gurus" or "master recruiters" once they took over the top programs (Florida, LSU, Alabama) in the top conference (SEC), only because of what they had to use at their disposal to sell their program. The fact that Meyer reeled in a Top 5 class at Ohio State isn't a surprise since Ohio State has had many Top 5 classes before Meyer ever showed up there too, and they're coming off of a 12-0 season and the sanctions have expired.
Now...what kind of classes would Arizona or Washington State have if Meyer or Saban decided to try coaching there? I'd agree that they'd have better classes than ever before, but I don't think they'd be sniffing the Top 5.
How about this? What kind of class does Southern Cal have if Chip Kelly fails in the NFL and the Trojans hire him to replace Lane Kiffin? You can bet that it'll be a Top 5 class then, and Kelly will suddenly be hailed as a "recruiting guru".
Sometimes one has to look in the mirror and admit who they are. What Oregon is at the moment is better than they've ever been and they're continuing to improve. But Oregon's not Kate Upton yet, and its fans shouldn't expect it to be.
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