PazzoDuck wrote:

GOGRN wrote: Our friend Beavermobile who pretends he doesn't care about educk writes the following.

But go ahead and mock it.

Its what you do!

Gawd, I will laugh if any of this comes out as being true.


Did he in a span of one setence do the exact behavior he is calling us out for doing?  Is there any self awareness?

I like the first part that you omitted:
"Tony is NOT the type of guy who makes this type of thing up."

This is a guy who is boys with the rumor midget up north and we're supposed to buy him vouching for "tony" as legit?

Sure thing, guy.

mact3333 wrote: I talked to an Oregon fan in Southwest line Sunday night coming back to PDX that looked exactly like your pic.

duckD wrote: is that the "author" of this post tries to play coy with who it is being referenced.

Oh, it's a MAJOR player at the UO who is cousins with his cousins cousin. Or whatever the hell.

In other words, "I'm just making this up and won't put a name to it because then I could definitively be proven wrong/ a liar."

And frankly Gordo, I'm not so certain that some of these "fine folks" are "intelligent and otherwise normal functioning" adults.

duckD wrote: is that the "author" of this post tries to play coy with who it is being referenced. .
Oh, it's a MAJOR player at the UO who is cousins with his cousins cousin. Or whatever the hell.

In other words, "I'm just making this up and won't put a name to it because then I could definitively be proven wrong/ a liar."

And frankly Gordo, I'm not so certain that some of these "fine folks" are "intelligent and otherwise normal functioning" adults.

phlduck wrote: And I know I'm in the minority here, but I like BM

DuhDuck wrote: Being "funny" on a message board is the apex. You get it. The awesome brit vernacular is the pudding. Just don't suck on nillas balls too hard.

Go OR Ducks wrote:

You have a group of people who I assume at least some are intelligent and otherwise normal functioning folks.  Sad to say, what I will post below applies to some folks here too.

When bias and hope get in the way, there are some folks who just lose all sense of logic.  I bet most don't even believe what was posted, but their hope and bias interferes in their logic.  Heck, even the logic in the original post is lost for me.  So players are getting paid and/or selling their gear, yet the hammer will fall on Oregon while the players will get to transfer.  Guess what, if it is as wide spread as some hope, then those players would be ineligible for the NCAA. 

I have no clue what will happen, but when you tend to have so many people who actually have connections who commonly feel the end result will be basically what most here have predicted from the start (loss of some schollies, reduced coaching visits, etc), I tend to believe something close to that will happen.  The caveat of course is the unpredictable nature of the NCAA.  Yet, it's someone on Dawgman or PO.net who have the scoop?  I mean, I've talked to people who have talked to players, people within the AD, Knight, Kilkenny and others, yet it's our rivals who know more.

The other part lost on otherwise normally functioning humand is this belief Oregon did something so incredibly evil and blatant, yet they can't really give specifics what that means.  What we know is Oregon paid $25k for a recruiting service that involved someone who was shady and got close with recruits who were interested in a variety of schools.  We also know Oregon's total payment for recruiting services matched within $1000 total compared to what OS and UW paid the same year Oregon paid $25k to Lyles. 

Which of course is simply "MOVING"  from the RELEVANT topic of ILLEGAL and non NCAA sanctioned services (Lyles) to the frankly IRRELEVANT topic of regular NCAA sanctioned recruiting services.


Point being, if we paid $25k to "buy" a player or two, what the hell did UW and OS get out of their services when Oregon ended up with better overall recruits?  In case you can't follow, that means Oregon spent $16k for "legit" services compared to UW/OS spending $41k the same year.   If you're still confused, you're just not trying. 

More DEFLECTION from the actual topic of UO's apparent NCAA violations.

A. Specifically the 400+ calls to UO coaches that began in 2007 per Lyles call records.

B. Lyles organizing and attending UO recruiting trips

C. $25k for "access and influence" with a verbal agreement for an additional $25. 

D.  And most importantly!   Your AD and compliance department apparently not enforcing the NCAA recruiting and recruiting service rules for a period of 32 months.   I don't know about a hammer but that one looks like a very significant problem.   That's been a recent hot button for the NCAA committee on infractions as you probably know.

We also know, Alabama for example spent more than double on recruiting services than Oregon in the same year.  In regards to paying for players that some assume, $25k itself is peanuts as there is a lot of evidence to suggest someone like Cam Newton cost almost $200k.  In other words, if Oregon paid for players, then we sure did it on the cheap.

A fair point!

You look at someone like Reggie Bush who had over $500k in loans. 

Yet, Oregon giving $25k to a tool like Lyles turns out to be the worst imaginable thing one could think of doing.  It's horrific and death penalty actions. 

Yes.  Bush and USC certainly looks worse than this.  Fair point.

Meanwhile, just yesterday you have a guy going on record saying he sold some HGH spray to 20 Alabama players a year ago before the BCS title game.  I'm not saying it means Oregon is an angel, but look around people.  What Oregon is being investigated for is small time.

Last in all of this, people with normal to above intelligence already have their built in excuse, which of course is if Oregon doesn't get something close to the death penalty it's because the NCAA was bought off or didn't have the nerve to do what's right.  It could never have been because Oregon really didn't do anything bad? 

The thought that Emmert, Ray, the the NCAA COI (LOL) could be "bought off" is close to insanity IMO.

I think you've even said on a number of occasions that the NCAA doesn't necessarily enforce everything.    

On the flipside, if Oregon gets big trouble, a bunch of Ducks will say it's because the NCAA hates us.  "lol"  It's not because we were guilty.

bennybeaver wrote:

Go OR Ducks wrote:

You have a group of people who I assume at least some are intelligent and otherwise normal functioning folks.  Sad to say, what I will post below applies to some folks here too.

When bias and hope get in the way, there are some folks who just lose all sense of logic.  I bet most don't even believe what was posted, but their hope and bias interferes in their logic.  Heck, even the logic in the original post is lost for me.  So players are getting paid and/or selling their gear, yet the hammer will fall on Oregon while the players will get to transfer.  Guess what, if it is as wide spread as some hope, then those players would be ineligible for the NCAA. 

I have no clue what will happen, but when you tend to have so many people who actually have connections who commonly feel the end result will be basically what most here have predicted from the start (loss of some schollies, reduced coaching visits, etc), I tend to believe something close to that will happen.  The caveat of course is the unpredictable nature of the NCAA.  Yet, it's someone on Dawgman or PO.net who have the scoop?  I mean, I've talked to people who have talked to players, people within the AD, Knight, Kilkenny and others, yet it's our rivals who know more.

The other part lost on otherwise normally functioning humand is this belief Oregon did something so incredibly evil and blatant, yet they can't really give specifics what that means.  What we know is Oregon paid $25k for a recruiting service that involved someone who was shady and got close with recruits who were interested in a variety of schools.  We also know Oregon's total payment for recruiting services matched within $1000 total compared to what OS and UW paid the same year Oregon paid $25k to Lyles. 

Which of course is simply "MOVING"  from the RELEVANT topic of ILLEGAL and non NCAA sanctioned services (Lyles) to the frankly IRRELEVANT topic of regular NCAA sanctioned recruiting services.


Point being, if we paid $25k to "buy" a player or two, what the hell did UW and OS get out of their services when Oregon ended up with better overall recruits?  In case you can't follow, that means Oregon spent $16k for "legit" services compared to UW/OS spending $41k the same year.   If you're still confused, you're just not trying. 

More DEFLECTION from the actual topic of UO's apparent NCAA violations.

A. Specifically the 400+ calls to UO coaches that began in 2007 per Lyles call records.

B. Lyles organizing and attending UO recruiting trips

C. $25k for "access and influence" with a verbal agreement for an additional $25. 

D.  And most importantly!   Your AD and compliance department apparently not enforcing the NCAA recruiting and recruiting service rules for a period of 32 months.   I don't know about a hammer but that one looks like a very significant problem.   That's been a recent hot button for the NCAA committee on infractions as you probably know.

We also know, Alabama for example spent more than double on recruiting services than Oregon in the same year.  In regards to paying for players that some assume, $25k itself is peanuts as there is a lot of evidence to suggest someone like Cam Newton cost almost $200k.  In other words, if Oregon paid for players, then we sure did it on the cheap.

A fair point!

You look at someone like Reggie Bush who had over $500k in loans. 

Yet, Oregon giving $25k to a tool like Lyles turns out to be the worst imaginable thing one could think of doing.  It's horrific and death penalty actions. 

Yes.  Bush and USC certainly looks worse than this.  Fair point.

Meanwhile, just yesterday you have a guy going on record saying he sold some HGH spray to 20 Alabama players a year ago before the BCS title game.  I'm not saying it means Oregon is an angel, but look around people.  What Oregon is being investigated for is small time.

Last in all of this, people with normal to above intelligence already have their built in excuse, which of course is if Oregon doesn't get something close to the death penalty it's because the NCAA was bought off or didn't have the nerve to do what's right.  It could never have been because Oregon really didn't do anything bad? 

The thought that Emmert, Ray, the the NCAA COI (LOL) could be "bought off" is close to insanity IMO.

I think you've even said on a number of occasions that the NCAA doesn't necessarily enforce everything.    

On the flipside, if Oregon gets big trouble, a bunch of Ducks will say it's because the NCAA hates us.  "lol"  It's not because we were guilty.

oreduk wrote: Silly beenis,  you forgot to mention the 34 vacated wins,

If Lyles is a booster (probability fairly high)  that's certain a possiblity if you're being honest.   Though clearly not a slam dunk.

you know, the crap you post all over the rest of the PAC12 forums????

It's funny though, you've been asked numerous times to divulge the benefits that players received in order for them to be declared ineligible which is the only way any wins would be vacated,..

So you think there is no way that the NCAA will simply enforce the NCAA booster rules which have been on the books since 2000?  

NCAA 13.2.14C

You become a booster if you are:

(c) assisting or to have been requested (by the athletics department staff) to assist in the recruitment of prospective student-athletes;

and the penalty for that.
 

13.01.1 Eligibility Effects of Recruiting Violation. The recruitment of a student-athlete by a memberinstitution or any representative of its athletics interests in violation of the Association’s legislation, as acknowledged by the institution or established through the Association’s enforcement procedures, shall result in the student-athlete becoming ineligible to represent that institution in intercollegiate athletics.

So you can rather obviously become ineligible without personal benefits if the school clearly benefiited

...Answer the question or you're nothing more than a liar like your bff bm.

As for benefits, unless you are Mullens or work in compliance how can you make an informed opinion?  Every one of the Lyles student related potential violations was redacted by the university

We do know the school may have gotten a perceived benefit (Doak Walker winner) if Lyles is declared a booster.