After last season's run KWarner obviously became the entrenched starter at QB, but he isn't getting any younger. Leinart hasn't exactly lit it up during his opportunities and seems to be spending more time in hot tubs with coeds (not that you can blame him) and learning Muay Thai Kick Boxing than in becoming a starting caliber NFL QB, so what's the thinking on this guy in AZ? Is he viewed as the future starter in training who just needs time to adjust (and mature) to the NFL? Or is he no longer viewed as the heir apparent?

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He's our next starting QB.........likely beginning next season. It's his job to lose. The hot tub stuff is behind him, and the martial arts training is to improve his footwork. As a trained martial artist myself, I believe it will benefit him and keep him from tripping over his own feet as he too often tended to do.

Are you a Leinart fan? Apparently not.. Red said most of it, Leinart is a changed man and will be the next starting qb for the Cards. Partying days are behind him, over taken by a strong and mature desire to make it in the NFL. Best thing to happen to him was to have Warner on the team, to watch and learn what it takes.

It's hard not feeling bad for the kid. He has been very professional about his situation though.

Well.......not exactly. He complained early on, saying he wanted this team to live or die with him when Whiz went with the whole rotation thing between he and Kurt. Whiz stuck to his gun and eventually Kurt got the nod. To Matt's credit, he's apparently matured greatly since then. I think he's going to be great once he gets going. (I still have visions of his performance on that monday night game against the Bears)

I think when it is all said and done post-Warner, Leinart will surprise a lot of people.  There will be growing pains, but this guy had tremendous success in a pro-style Offense at USC.  I kind of picture him having the same type of ups and downs as Aaron Rodgers the first couple of years.  However, by the time Leinart takes the reins hopefully he will enjoy having a stud-Defense, an average running game, and an O-line that can protect him.  He has all the weapons at WR that he will need.

REDMAN2000 wrote:

I think when it is all said and done post-Warner, Leinart will surprise a lot of people.  There will be growing pains, but this guy had tremendous success in a pro-style Offense at USC.  I kind of picture him having the same type of ups and downs as Aaron Rodgers the first couple of years.  However, by the time Leinart takes the reins hopefully he will enjoy having a stud-Defense, an Above average running game, and an O-line that can protect him.  He has all the weapons at WR that he will need.

My fellow Cardinal brethern,

I must respectfully disagree with you on Leinart not just becasue of todays performance. Let me share with you some insight that I have into Leinart.

A friend of mine is on a NFL coaching staff which I wont name but he told me that Leinart had one of the lowest rated arms the year he came out for the draft and the Steelers had him as a  3rd or 4th round pick on there draft board.

Reason: Below average NFL arm plain and simple. That is why he slipped to the 10th pick. I was told by my friend in the summer of 2006 that if the Cards would not have picked ML he would have slipped into the 2nd round maybe even the 3rd becasue of his weak arm.

Remember he was at USC where he had Reggie Bush and company.  If interested PM me and I will give you the Coaches name and the team he coaches for, and yes he is a current coach in the NFL 2009 FYI, he has 2 SB rings as a player and 2 as a coach.

He enlightend me while we were playing golf the year after Leinart was drafted by the Cards. I asked him what he thought of the Cards picking up Leinart and he said " it was the opinion of the his current employers advanced scouting dept that Matt would at best be a life time back up in the NFL" I remember asking him why he  thought ML did so well at USC and he retort was quick and simple he said "there were at least 20 QB in the nation at that time who would have done better than ML and that the supporting cast during his reign there was some of the best talent to ever come out of USC guys like Reggie Bush etc".

My personal opinion is that he has a below average NFL arm and ML is a Mental Midget!  He got away with alot of throws in college becasue of the athletes as USC were far superior at RB and WR and OL. In the NFL weak arms dont stay around long term more over they are not franchise QB's.  You can take a shot on a guy that has a rocket arm but is a head case but you cant take a guy who is smart and make his arm stronger!   I cant think of one NFL starting QB that is considered to have a below average NFL arm

cardinals08 wrote: 

 

I can't think of one NFL starting QB that is considered to have a below average NFL arm

I'm afraid that you don't understand the word average then.

OK, I'll bite, what NFL QB that starts has a below average NFL arm.

Approximately 1/2.  Perhaps you have "forgotten" that to determine an average, you would add all starting quarterbacks together and then divide by their number to determine a mean.

Especially if you are talking about arm strength, how hard and far a quarterback can throw.  Warner is almost certainly in the bottom half of that list.  He is accurate and on time, but most guys throw a lot harder.  Hell, Leinart does. 

Cutler on the other hand has a total cannon.  Maybe throws harder than anybody.  That fact does not make him a better QB than plenty of guys who can't throw as hard.  Including Warner.

BuddyBiancalana wrote:

 

Cutler on the other hand has a total cannon.  Maybe throws harder than anybody.  That fact does not make him a better QB than plenty of guys who can't throw as hard.  Including Warner.

This kind of parallels an argument I once made about wide receivers and speed. Just because a guy flies like the wind in the hundred yard dash doesn't make him better than a slower running WR.

 Good point Buddy B'

Niner'

How about Alex........what do you think of him? Seems a smart move by M'Sing to hand over the starting job to Smith. Appears to have somewhat of a cannon and also broadens your offense. Cards better bring a lot of pressure on him when we meet again. At least that's my impression anyway.

However you want to evaluate a NFL starting QB having a strong arm gives you a big advantage!!I  Intelligence and an accurate arm are just as important as the arm strength I will give you that.  IMO Leinart has not demenstrated any of these 3 things since getting drafted by the Cardinals. Being a fan of course of the Cards I hope if Leinart is our future QB he can learn these traits that I belive make for an above average NFL starting QB.  BTW Shaun Hill is a poor example being he is sitting on the bench in favor of a strong arm QB. Peyton Manning would be a good example of a strong arm QB that is a future HOF.

What ever Warner lacks in arm strengh as you say he makes up for with superior accuracy and intelligence. In Leinart I have yet to see a consistency in any of these 3 areas. Rembember he was a starter for the Cards and as I remember he had one good game against the Bears on MNF.  Time will tell with Leinart if he can learn to posses intelligence and accracy. His arm strength is well below the standards of an NFL QB that is well documented that is why he fell so far in the draft.