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Is Edge on his way out of AZ?!?

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Posted: 11/20/2008 9:42 AM

Is Edge on his way out of AZ?!? 


Edgerrin James' agent Drew Rosenhaus has confirmed that James asked to be released, but the Cardinals have denied the request.

James still thinks he has a lot to give to an organization. Rod Graves said the Cardinals still think of James as a valuable member of their football team. But James has seen three carries in three weeks, which is not OK for the veteran.

What do you all think? Just let him go, so he can see if he can produce on another team? Or since the Cardinals are headed to the playoffs, the few $100,000 they would save is chump change? Or keep him around in case of injuries, but keep him benched? Give him one last chance to move the chains?
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Posted: 11/20/2008 9:48 AM

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keep him, don't cut him. this guy cares about numbers not wins. we need a vet in that runningback stable. the cards should have cut edge before the season, kept shipp, and gave boldin edge's 5 million.

 

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Posted: 11/20/2008 9:51 AM

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I can see where he's coming from.  If he's not going to get the ball more and be a part of this offense, give him what he wants.  Release him and give him a chance with a different team.  He's struggled for us, but maybe somewhere else he will be a a quality RB once again.

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Posted: 11/20/2008 10:40 AM

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I'm all for that ... at the end of the season.  We are on the hook for his entire salary this year and he gives us insurance if Hightower goes down.  One less Rosenhaus client on this team is a beautiful thing.  Why did Edge have to go out like this though?  Team first right bro - I guess only when you are getting 25 carries/game
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Posted: 11/20/2008 3:06 PM

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PERSONALLY I THINK IT IS DISGRACEFUL THE WAY EDGE IS SUDDENLY BEING FROZEN OUT! HE CAME TO US FROM A WINNING TEAM WHEN WE WERE LOSERS TO HELP US BUILD A WINNER, EXPRESSING CONFIDENCE IN THE PROCESS AND REMAINING POSITIVE AND UPBEAT DURING THE TOUGH TIMES THAT FOLLOWED FOR THIS TEAM. HE'S BEEN A TEAM PLAYER ALL ALONG, AND NOW THAT WE ARE ON A WINNING TRACK HE IS SUDDENLY BEING TREATED LIKE HE'S USELESS. THINK ABOUT IT.........EDGE IS BENCHED AND JJ IS NOW A STARTER PLATOONING WITH HIGHTOWER. GIVE ME A BREAK!!
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Posted: 11/20/2008 3:25 PM

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jj was inactive for the first 4 games of the year. both he and edge were denny's guys, whiz inherented both of those players. i think we need all three guys (edge, timmy, and jj) to go deep in the playoffs.

 

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Posted: 11/20/2008 3:41 PM

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I can see both sides on this one.  One one side you have a player that rushed for 1159 yards with 6 TDs two years ago and 1222 and 7 TDs just last year and hasn't been getting the ball the last four weeks.  He feels he can continue to play at that level or better somewhere else if not here. He's up set because he's only had 10 rushes the last three games or just over 3 a game. 

On the other side, before this he had 39 rushes for 115 yards for the combined 3 week total before this.  That's about 3 yards per carry.  He hasn't rushed for more than 4 yards per carry on a season since he played for Indy.  Also, during these 10 carries mentioned above he has a 2.2 yards per carry average.

It's pretty hard picking a side on this one.  I realize where Edge is coming from, but except for the Washington game he has struggled the whole season.      

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Posted: 11/20/2008 6:56 PM

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Reddog7 wrote: PERSONALLY I THINK IT IS DISGRACEFUL THE WAY EDGE IS SUDDENLY BEING FROZEN OUT! HE CAME TO US FROM A WINNING TEAM WHEN WE WERE LOSERS TO HELP US BUILD A WINNER, EXPRESSING CONFIDENCE IN THE PROCESS AND REMAINING POSITIVE AND UPBEAT DURING THE TOUGH TIMES THAT FOLLOWED FOR THIS TEAM. HE'S BEEN A TEAM PLAYER ALL ALONG, AND NOW THAT WE ARE ON A WINNING TRACK HE IS SUDDENLY BEING TREATED LIKE HE'S USELESS. THINK ABOUT IT.........EDGE IS BENCHED AND JJ IS NOW A STARTER PLATOONING WITH HIGHTOWER. GIVE ME A BREAK!!
C'mon dog.   It is time to move on.  The AYPC ain't gettin' it.  I do think we should keep him for his blocking ability.  However, we have been winning lately without him as the featured back, haven't we?  This is the start of a new era, don't you think?  Team first, and always, that's how I have always been taught.  Why are you so adamant about his being benched?  Again, we are winning, are we not?
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Posted: 11/20/2008 11:52 PM

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I'Card,

 You & I (rarely I might add) respectfully disagree on this one. First let me refer to one of my earlier post where I suggested it was time to give Hightower a shot at the starting job. But my thinking was a reversal of rolls, using Edge' on short yardage plays because Hightower is better at turning the corner, not throw the baby out with the bath water. Edge' is listed among the premier running backs (past and present) as we speak. Sure he was slow coming out the gate and has yet to perform up to last years numbers, but is that a logical reason to bench him altogether? How many chances has JJ been given for crying out loud? The fact that we are winning is all the more reason we should be using Edge' while we still have him. We could have a six legged monster as well as a six handed one! There has been no indication that he's useless, so therefore..........quite frankly, I'm starting to wonder if there is a real dark side to Whisenhunt that hasn't completely surfaced yet in how he treats players. Maybe that's why his former superbowl QB didn't have two words to say to him when the Cards played the Steelers last season. Edge' is already on record as saying this situation is personal. You will recall Boldin reportedly was pissed at the guy for allegedly "crossing the line". Is he next to get benched if he drops some passes? Will Whiz say "let him go" after this season because Boldin spoke out? Sorry pal, but something is mysteriously wrong for things to come so ubruptly to this point with Edge. As my granpa use to say, "that hound dog don't hunt!"
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Posted: 11/21/2008 12:01 AM

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Football is a business and Edge is not good for business as a starter or for that matter 2nd string. JJ is averaging almost 4.5 YPC in the last 3 games. Last week he had 8 carries for 40 yards. Where Edge has had 6 carries averaging 2 yards a carry over the last 3 games.

IMO Edge's time has passed. Im sure Shaun Alexander thought he had some gas in the tank but as we have seen there has only been one taker for him and he is only a couple of years removed from being a leauge MVP stats show that once a RB hits the age of 30 the numbers go down persipitisly. Unfortunetly, loyalty is not part of the equation IMO. The fact is  JJ and TH are better than edge for the most part except for maybe picking up blitz packages.

There is a good chance Edge will see some action this week against the Ginats for that exact reason. He still has value to this years Cardinals so as long as he dosent become a disraction.
 
Edge is a great insurance policy should Hightower go down. I seriously doubt any team in the NFL would make Edge a feature back at this point in his carrer and that is all he is interested in.

At the end of the Season Edge will get his wish. I would be somewhat shocked if any team picks him up as a feature back next year. If Edge would take a pay cut the Cards may want to keep him around next year but we all know that is not what Edge wants.

The problem for Edge and most RB who were dominate dont know when they are done. Its up to teams to decide and for the Cardinals they have done that. If he is truly a team guy he will be supportive of his teamates and do whatever he has to to help the Cards win. Lets not forget he is still a professional and gets paid a hell of allot of money to be a backup 7.5 million this year. Either way I wish him sucess in wherever he decides to go next year. That is if a team wants him. He has been an asset to the Cardinals organization and a credit to the teams sucess. ITs just time to move on.

 

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Posted: 11/21/2008 4:15 AM

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Reddog7 wrote: I'Card,

 You & I (rarely I might add) respectfully disagree on this one. First let me refer to one of my earlier post where I suggested it was time to give Hightower a shot at the starting job. But my thinking was a reversal of rolls, using Edge' on short yardage plays because Hightower is better at turning the corner, not throw the baby out with the bath water. Edge' is listed among the premier running backs (past and present) as we speak. Sure he was slow coming out the gate and has yet to perform up to last years numbers, but is that a logical reason to bench him altogether? How many chances has JJ been given for crying out loud? The fact that we are winning is all the more reason we should be using Edge' while we still have him. We could have a six legged monster as well as a six handed one! There has been no indication that he's useless, so therefore..........quite frankly, I'm starting to wonder if there is a real dark side to Whisenhunt that hasn't completely surfaced yet in how he treats players. Maybe that's why his former superbowl QB didn't have two words to say to him when the Cards played the Steelers last season. Edge' is already on record as saying this situation is personal. You will recall Boldin reportedly was pissed at the guy for allegedly "crossing the line". Is he next to get benched if he drops some passes? Will Whiz say "let him go" after this season because Boldin spoke out? Sorry pal, but something is mysteriously wrong for things to come so ubruptly to this point with Edge. As my granpa use to say, "that hound dog don't hunt!"

Reddog7, that is a interesting take on the situation. But there is another slant on it, is Whisenhunt just holding players accountable? I admire Boldwin that once the season started his contract dispute has disappeared. I admire Warner, no discussion on his contract while the season is in session. In fact none of the players whose contracts will be up are making it an issue while we are playing. James said it is personal, yea personal for him since for some reason seems to be in the doghouse. Wasn't he the only player to miss the only practice the team had before the by week?

Ask Warner if he is unhappy how Whisenhunt made the quarterback position a competition to see who would start. Seems to me that who ever produces is going to get the nod on Sunday. We don't see what all goes on in practice and in the locker room.

The Cardinals are winning and Whisenhunt is in control and that is the main thing. Look, Coughlin was almost run out of New York the year before the Giants won the Superbowl, and it seemed most of his players did not like hime.

I love seeing someone holding these prima donnas held accountable.

That is my take on the situation.

 

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Posted: 11/21/2008 3:28 PM

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Dog, as long as we keep winning, I don't care if Tinker Bell is our featured back.  James is not helping us any longer.  Sorry to say it but the facts don't lie.
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Posted: 11/21/2008 7:14 PM

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Edge got his money up front, the Cardinals have paid handsomely for his services and deserve his best, even if that is only being a backup at this point.  Now if he's willing to give some of that money back, that's another thing altogether.
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Posted: 11/21/2008 7:38 PM

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Wellfed wrote: Edge got his money up front, the Cardinals have paid handsomely for his services and deserve his best, even if that is only being a backup at this point.  Now if he's willing to give some of that money back, that's another thing altogether.

Yeah like when our very own "sun" implodes.
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Posted: 11/21/2008 7:43 PM

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Dear Edge,
 Here's my feelings...
  MAKE A F****N PLAY!!
  The chances you've gotten in the past couple of games to earn your starting spot back, what do you do? The last game, you came in for 1 play, got the handoff and IMMEDIATELY put your head down and dove into the pile. That's all you've been doing for a LONG time. Guess what...you want out? You'll get your wish in the offseason...but, until then, you better perform. Aint NOBODY gonna want you for anything more than a back-up with the way you've performed in the past year.
  This league has gotten too fast and strong to have a slow, medium power, up the gut , couldn't fake my grandpa out of his shoes, runner like you. What I call you is an undersized full back.
  When you do get released, good luck at your new role as a back up in Seattle.
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Posted: 11/21/2008 8:02 PM

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Well said Redman. If Edge would just shut his piehole and as he says work hard then maybe he could earn some more carries. However, all he has done is wine and cry out to his horseshitz agent Drew dumbshxx. Man cant stand that agent.

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Posted: 11/21/2008 10:26 PM

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Intersting contradictions as I see it.........like:

-we're winning & don't need him, but keep him for insurance in case Hightower or JJ goes down, even though the problem with Edge' as with most RB's is that they don't know when they're done. (guess he'll do better coming in cold even though he doesn't realize he's washed up)

                                            -OR- 

-the game has passed him by, but he may see some action this week against the superbowl champs because he's good at picking up the blitz". (can he do that if he's benched or if the game has passed him by?)


Meanwhile "laydown I don't want to get hit" JJ has averaged 4.5 YPC the last 3 games (which I do appreciate by the way) and suddenly Edge' is third string. I guess now I can see why these athletes grab all the money they can while they are at the top of their game.
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Posted: 11/21/2008 11:12 PM

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Absolutly, as the song says "take your money and run" if he was the best back he would still be starting. Whiz of all coaches is all business. Best player plays. Heck JJ sat for the first 4 games until he proved he could get it done. Since being activated Todd H. has been increasing his role each week. You think that is just becasue Tood H and coach Whiz have it out for Edge. I would think not.

You of all bloggers have been a strong advocate for JJ maybe the strongest so I would think you would be happy that JJ is getting his chance to prove he is worthy of getting more action and being an important part of the Cardinals scheme.
 
I think you were refering to my post at least Im the one that said the things you were refering to so I will take it that way.

Yes without question Edge has seen his best days. And yes he is still very good at picking up blitzes which is why I think at times he would be the best back to have in the game. Specifically to pick up the blitzes like against the Giants but as far as running he is IMO our 3rd best back at the time. 

An insurance policy is something you should always have but hope you never need. Hey, I think Edge desevers alot of credit for the Cardinals being where they are now. He helped with credibility however, Hightower has surpassed him on the depth chart. Whiz has shown and proven its all about the best man for the job.

Edge still serves a purpose on this years team however it has changed since the beginning of the year IMO. 

I dont believe I ever said get rid of Edge at least not unitl the EOY. I cant speak for others but I have only stated the obvious. Hightower is a better back in this particular passing scheme. Hightower is a quicker back hits the holes quicker and is a better RB catching passings in the hot routes out of the backfield. Im not sure what you are seeing but I respect your opinion regardless what I or others think. Your opinion is valued from myself and appreciate your thoughts. We just disagree on this particular player and what his role is or should be.

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Posted: 11/22/2008 5:59 AM

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cardinals08 wrote: Well said Redman. If Edge would just shut his piehole and as he says work hard then maybe he could earn some more carries. However, all he has done is wine and cry out to his horseshitz agent Drew dumbshxx. Man cant stand that agent.

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Right on! Drew Rosenhaus could have kept his mouth shut and let this remain inside the organization. But when has he ever shown any class? Never!

 

 

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Posted: 11/22/2008 1:22 PM

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cards '08,

 I think the core of my argument is being missed. It's not that Hightower is starting. I advocated that. And you're absolutely correct that I have been (and still am) an advocate for JJ, and I appreciate your observation there my fellow Seattlelite . In fact, in a way JJ is an example that supports my argument for Edge. He improved............and why?.........because he was kept on the bench? No, because Whiz found a way to use him inspite of his under performing since he got here!. He (JJ) wasn't performing up to what he was brought here for, so what did Whiz do?........try him in a different role (returning kicks) and JJ started performing better, and as a result, he's now a better running back which is what he was brought here originally to do. So why isn't Edge' being shown this same kind of patience and consideration? Why is it that because he's not on pace for racking up another thousand plus yards for the season he's suddenly only bench material? Why not use him on short yardage plays for example? And realistically from a fans point of view, how practical is it to put such confidence in him in case something happens to Hightower, but on the other hand insists he's washed up? Why not just let him go and bring someone else up? Or just take your chances without him altogether? Just be consistant and not say on the one hand he's washed up but, on the other assert he's too valuable because we might need him. Is he still a worthwhile running back for this team or isn't he? If yes, then he should be playing. If not, give him his walking papers and cut your losses. Somebody else would pick him up this season........maybe or maybe not as a starter, but he WILL see playing time if that were to happen.

Finally, my argument isn't that Edge' is no longer a starter. My argument is that he's being treated like last weeks' recycle, as though he's no more use to this team, because IMO that hasn't been proven yet, and a guy with his credibility should be utilized in some way during our run to the playoffs. This guy has contributed too much to this team to go out this way. You mentioned Shaun Alexander as an example. At least Seattle continued to play him (albeit less) before they let him go. He didn't just sit on the bench unless he was hurt. And Seattle still won the division. To me that's how you treat a future hall of famer. You treat 'em with at least SOME dignity even though they are no longer who they were. So sorry guys, I can't help but feel that there's more than meets the eye here. Just a gut feeling.

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