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That's history, he (Tom Moore) said. I don't deal in the past…

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Posted: 2/10/2013 12:33 AM

That's history, he (Tom Moore) said. I don't deal in the past… 


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Posted: 2/10/2013 9:52 AM

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Good article FED!!!
The comment section was great also!!!
Whiz was not a "PEOPLE" person, and that was his downfall along with STUBBORNESS!!!
Maybe he will learn from it.
An article in PFF had the Colts offensive line ranked next to the Cards as the worst in the NFL & the worst in combined sacks & hurries. But they were opportunistic and won games. They played to their strengths.
Good post FED!!!

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Posted: 2/10/2013 10:35 AM

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THEY had a good QB.  biggrin
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Posted: 2/11/2013 2:35 AM

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Wellfed wrote: THEY had a good QB.  biggrin
They also had good teachers and coaches.
We had Whuz and the Grimm Reaper!!

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Posted: 2/11/2013 10:08 AM

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How did Kolb manage to have success?
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Posted: 2/13/2013 7:53 PM

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Wellfed wrote: How did Kolb manage to have success?
What success??

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Posted: 2/14/2013 8:53 AM

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The basic metric of success in sports; wins.  I'm content with pass completions, personally.  It takes two to tango, however.  You could tell that Kolb hadn't quite developed that QB/Receiver connection fully.  He showed a lot of promise, though.  The QB situation reminded me a lot of the Warner/McCown under Denny Green affair a few years back.  Neither QB produced a lot, but it was obvious that, given time, Warner was the more likely candidate to succeed.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 12:43 PM

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Wellfed wrote: The basic metric of success in sports; wins.  I'm content with pass completions, personally.  It takes two to tango, however.  You could tell that Kolb hadn't quite developed that QB/Receiver connection fully.  He showed a lot of promise, though.  The QB situation reminded me a lot of the Warner/McCown under Denny Green affair a few years back.  Neither QB produced a lot, but it was obvious that, given time, Warner was the more likely candidate to succeed.
OK FED!!
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Posted: 2/14/2013 4:24 PM

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I want to see Kolb behind a good O-line with an OC that doesn't suck like Miller.  That last injury he suffered wasn't him being glass.  He went to hand the ball off to a RB that didn't know the f-ing play and then an interior lineman blew an assignment allowing a monster DT to come unabated to the QB.  You line any QB up in that sequence and they are gonna miss some games.  This wasn't a migraine, or muscle pull.  It was freaking ribs separated from the sternum.  Hard to breathe much less play.  He was 4-1 before that injury and had 8 TD's along with 3 picks in his 1st 4 games.  Kolb showed enough heart especially in the Rams Thurs. night game.  He showed enough ability with the worst O-line I think I've ever seen a pro team field and no running game at all.  He was overpaid but that will soon be taken care of.

Kolb with a reduced salary is > Alex Smith, any rookie QB coming out, Jason Campbell, etc.  Plus we got a coach that can teach well without all of the sideshow drama we had the last 3 years (rookies that are better than the veteran have to sit and wait their turn, QB competitions, OL being the "right" guys blah2  )

Agree with 'Fed's point about having not just 1 but 2 capable backup QB's.  That was a huge error by Whiz.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 9:13 AM

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I definitely see greater upside in Kolb than I do in Alex Smith.  Alex Smith would have been  a fine choice as a FA pick up instead of Kolb, but the Cards have been trying to win games for the past two years.  We paid a premium price for Kolb, why discard him now?  Kolb, Young, and Lindley MIGHT be a nice mix if Vince Young can prove to be a team player.  My gut tells me Kolb OR Young as they both have something to prove as starters in this league.  Young would presumably be the cheaper option.  I hope Kolb takes a pay cut, but you know me and the thought of Vince Young playing for the Cardinals.  I'm just not convinced Vince Young is the same competitor he was coming out of college.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 4:46 PM

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Come on! Vince Young? Really? No way. We are trying to get BETTER not worse. Give me a break!!!
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Posted: 2/17/2013 3:36 PM

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Why I don't like VY in Cardinal Red:

1)  Cancer in the locker room
2)  Not mentally tough at all and is a quitter as evidenced during his time in TN with a coach that supported him by all accounts.
3)  Dumb as a bag of hammers - one of the worst Wonderlic scores ever.  Playbook had to be severely watered down while a Titan.

I'd much prefer a Matt Moore, Brian Hoyer, even Seneca Wallace than VY.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 3:44 PM

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REDMAN2000 wrote:

1)  Cancer in the locker room
2)  Not mentally tough at all and is a quitter as evidenced during his time in TN with a coach that supported him by all accounts.
3)  Dumb as a bag of hammers - one of the worst Wonderlic scores ever.  Playbook had to be severely watered down while a Titan.


Too funny......doesn't know how to balance a checkbook either, evidently.eek
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Posted: 2/17/2013 6:31 PM

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Vince Young looked pretty effective to me this past preseason playing for Buffalo.  I don't think he'd be part of the right mix right now with Kolb, but… I don't think the NFL has seen the last of this guy.  If Kolb is intractable on the salary issue and departs, I wouldn't mind seeing Young get a chance with the Cardinals.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 10:30 AM

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Wellfed wrote: Vince Young looked pretty effective to me this past preseason playing for Buffalo.  I don't think he'd be part of the right mix right now with Kolb, but… I don't think the NFL has seen the last of this guy.  If Kolb is intractable on the salary issue and departs, I wouldn't mind seeing Young get a chance with the Cardinals.
Yeah FED,
I read that Kolb was willing to renegotiate his contract.
Matt Moore is highly coveted by Cleveland and the Cards have salary cap issues, and that may take him out of the mix.
A decision on Kolb must be made by next week without Arians being able to talk to him yet because of NFL rules.
I believe that if his salary is lowered, that he may be trade bait for a late round draft pick because there isn't much of a market for him except for in the minds of some Cardinals fans.
I believe that Arians want a QB of his own choosing and I believe that Stanton and a few others are headed this way.

In a few weeks we will know how this plays out, but I believe that Kolb is history whether he signs a reduced salary or not.

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Posted: 2/18/2013 12:16 PM

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I could see Joeckel and Fisher being gone at 7 and us drafting Geno Smith. Just saying.
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Posted: 2/19/2013 8:20 AM

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duecer54 wrote: I could see Joeckel and Fisher being gone at 7 and us drafting Geno Smith. Just saying.
Duecer, you may be right on in that.
Keim stated that a Qb must be drafted every year to keep a pipeline going and Geno could be #1 or #2 on Arians wish list for #7 pick according to how the 1st six picks fall in line. There are surprises every year with the top ten picks because no one truly know what every team's thoughts are.
The Cardinals are NOT going to pay Kolb a lot of money and will certainly lower their salary cap starting with him.
Kolb made more money the last 2 years than most of the top 10 QB's in the NFL
,has been in the league 5 years, never won a starting job, every job was given to him, still working on his footwork,was sacked and hit a lot last year because of a slow release,and poor decision making. He stares at his primary receiver& does not have great field vision. Aaron Rodgers & Cutler got hit & sacked the last 2 years more than all of the QB's in the NFL,but they got the job done even though I'm not a fan of Cutler. Kurt Warner was hit many times because he had a poor offensive line, but he had a quick release, great field awareness, and a smart decision maker. Kolb has none of these attributes, and the Cardinals are not going to pay him 13 million dollars, or even half of that for this coming season. He either takes a low ball contract or he is released. And if he is released, there is no way another team is going to pay him a great sum of money.Bidwell is still fuming over that 50 million payed to Kolb over the last 2 years. If you don't believe that, then go ask Graves and Whiz!!! The bottom line is RESULTS!!!

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Posted: 2/19/2013 4:19 PM

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It could shake out that way for sure.  I sure hope it doesn't though.  No improvement at OL with that first pick feels like we are spinning our wheels.  We cut Kolb and it isn't an instant $13 million in cap relief.  We have $6 million in dead space money and no QB. That isn't what winning teams do.  Geno isn't anywhere near an Andrew Luck level so please don't confuse success in Indy will carry over to here with another rookie QB in the 1st round.  Geno is a huge work in progress.  No pro-style Offense, not a large frame to absorb hits that are needed in BA's system, and not as mobile as he's touted to be.  

If Smith is the pick, we are going to be picking again at around #7 next year.  We will be the equivalent of the Jacksonville Jaguars taking Blaine Gabbert.  Will definitely save me money on my season tix though. confused

BTW a couple of people on here seem to think Bidwill's aren't still cheap, they left $5 million in cap space on the table last season.  Could have been used to sign Bryant McKinnie to LT or how about restructuring Kolb's deal so that we could have changed contract verbage to have that money count against the cap last season, and not absorb a $6 million blow now if KK is cut.  So if that happens all we will hear is oh yeah the dead cap space ... nothing we can do fans noidea  These types of blunders don't help that cheapskate reputation.  Yes they cut Whisenhunt and Graves, but from a money standpoint it's probably a wash because if they kept them they would easily have lost that amount in canceled ticket sales and blackout of local TV coverage. 

That win over the Lions isn't feeling too good now banghead  After losing out on Joe Thomas, you'd think the football gods would shine on us this year !
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Posted: 2/19/2013 6:09 PM

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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1533136-nfl-dra ft-2013-kansas-city-chiefs-and-teams-who-should-av oid-a-qb-in-round-1
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Posted: 2/19/2013 6:37 PM

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Who do we draft if both tackles are gone and the Raiders take Geno Smith? It could happen, too. (Joeckel to Chiefs and Fisher to Eagles.) Chance Warmack or one of the really good pass rushers? This could get interesting! We might have to trade up! Maybe down and take Lane Johnson. A lot to think about.biggrin
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