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Report: Bears hire Marc Trestman…

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Posted: 1/16/2013 1:16 AM

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Posted: 1/16/2013 9:56 AM

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That's a good fit for that team !
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Posted: 1/16/2013 11:19 AM

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Should be interesting.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 5:54 PM

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Apparently Arians wants to bring in Whisenhut and Grimm with him and his defensive coordinator so that is one of the reasons the Bears went with Trestman.

Unless Bidwell wants to say adios to Horton, Arians will not be the head coach of the Cards.

So the leftovers are Ray Horton, Darrell Bevil, Jay Gruden as the choices for HC unless they decide to persue others at this point (Billick, Smith)
The risk of failure is great, but the risk of not making the necessary changes to improve ones self will surely spell disaster!

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Posted: 1/16/2013 6:44 PM

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Why would Arians say adios to Horton ?  They were on the same Pittsburgh team for I believe 6 seasons together.
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Posted: 1/17/2013 1:02 PM

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Because Arians has already made commitments to a DC corrdinator as part of his staff.

According to NFL profootball talk, that is why he did not get the Chicago job. They did not like his supporting staff. I am sure he is going to try and sell the same staff to the Cards when they had dinner last night.

The risk of failure is great, but the risk of not making the necessary changes to improve ones self will surely spell disaster!
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Posted: 1/18/2013 3:03 PM

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Confirmed!
Cowboy0113 wrote: Apparently Arians wants to bring in Whisenhut and Grimm with him and his defensive coordinator so that is one of the reasons the Bears went with Trestman.

Unless Bidwell wants to say adios to Horton, Arians will not be the head coach of the Cards.

The risk of failure is great, but the risk of not making the necessary changes to improve ones self will surely spell disaster!

Last edited 1/18/2013 3:03 PM by Cowboy0113

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Posted: 1/18/2013 3:16 PM

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So, if Arians wanted Whisenhunt and Grimm on his staff (two coaches that were roasted on their way out of here), how can anyone take Arians seriously and be happy with him as the hire? I know Arians is his own coach, with his own style, but if he thinks Whiz/Grimm are cornerstones of a staff, then his judgment doesn't seem that far off than that of the previous tenure.

I guess Whiz and Grimm could be valuable pieces of a staff, but maybe their roles were just too inflated here.

And the whole Horton thing is odd to me. You know that no incoming coach is going to want someone on his staff that wanted the job as badly as Horton did, looking over their shoulder - giving the team and fans "what if" thoughts if things don't go exactly according to plan. There would always be a lot of animosity there between Horton and any head coach that came in.

The Cards knew Horton would be gone and apparently didn't care

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Posted: 1/18/2013 8:17 PM

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Brad,

Yeah this hiring doesn't exactly make me want to renew my season tickets.  I think Arians' teaching style is vastly different than Whisenhunt's.  For i.e. Ben loved playing for Arians, but has nothing good to say about Whiz while in Pittsburgh.  Arian has the demeanor I like in a coach.  He was the most proven commodity out there and I have a lot of respect for what he did in Indy this year. 

Also, Keim said this team needed a retool not a rebuild.  This hiring goes along with that belief.  

As for Horton, he really surprised me with his handling of things.  Supposedly yelling at the new GM and calling him a "lying POS" for not giving him the HC job !  This the same team who gave you an opportunity to prove yourself as a DC when no one else would.  I can understand the frustration, but handling it the way he reportedly did has set back his dream of being a HC in the NFL.  Congratulations hothead Horton you now get to be a (well-paid granted) DC for the Cleveland Browns.  You just showed the NFL you aren't ready to be a HC by having that outburst disbelief.  Didn't expect that out of him.

Another thing to keep in mind, look at the great defensive teams over the years who have lost DC's.  Those teams for the most part stayed great.  Maybe the new DC will improve the run Defense.  I hope BA continues with a 3-4 alignment because going back to the 4-3 will absolutely set this Defense back.
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Posted: 1/19/2013 9:30 AM

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Yeah, i have no problem with Arians.  Just find it odd about the Whiz/Grimm thing.  I mean if Arians wanted Whiz as OC, obviously he agrees with Whiz's philosophy, something that nobody here did after Warner left.

I know that Arians did a great job in Indy, but lets take a step back.  He had a once in a generation qb under center and the emotional lift from chuck pagano all season long.  not diminishing what he did, but just saying.  yes, i know he was also pretty successful in pittsburgh, but most coaches are - plus he was fired/replaced as oc there.

I'm going to go out and predict that Arians can't hang with harbaugh and carroll, in the long run, or even fisher.  it's not impossible, i just personally think it's going to be an uphill battle.

As for Horton, I'd like to get both sides of the story.  Was it really a blow up?   Who knows.  Some of those people (M Bidwill) appear to be really cut throat to me and would say whatever is needed to make the organization look better.  Could they have embellished what really happened?  It wouldn't surprise me. 

And who knows what was really said to Horton?  Maybe they did promise him things ... Can't fault a guy for being fired up if he was feed BS throughout the process.
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Posted: 1/19/2013 6:20 PM

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BradWilbricht wrote: Yeah, i have no problem with Arians.  Just find it odd about the Whiz/Grimm thing.  I mean if Arians wanted Whiz as OC, obviously he agrees with Whiz's philosophy, something that nobody here did after Warner left.

I know that Arians did a great job in Indy, but lets take a step back.  He had a once in a generation qb under center and the emotional lift from chuck pagano all season long.  not diminishing what he did, but just saying.  yes, i know he was also pretty successful in pittsburgh, but most coaches are - plus he was fired/replaced as oc there.

I'm going to go out and predict that Arians can't hang with harbaugh and carroll, in the long run, or even fisher.  it's not impossible, i just personally think it's going to be an uphill battle.

As for Horton, I'd like to get both sides of the story.  Was it really a blow up?   Who knows.  Some of those people (M Bidwill) appear to be really cut throat to me and would say whatever is needed to make the organization look better.  Could they have embellished what really happened?  It wouldn't surprise me. 

And who knows what was really said to Horton?  Maybe they did promise him things ... Can't fault a guy for being fired up if he was feed BS throughout the process.



Dont like what I am hearing thru contacts. Keim and Bidwill lied to Horton. Bidwill got his puppet (Keim)and both got the only guy that would accept final call being Bidwill. Took 4 year deal to make him sign....

Better qualified people were out there and still out there....
BE MORE CONCERNED WITH YOUR CHARACTER THAN YOUR REPUTATION. YOUR CHARACTER IS WHO YOU REALLY ARE, AND YOUR REPUTATION IS ONLY WHAT OTHERS THINK YOUR ARE.....
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Posted: 1/19/2013 8:23 PM

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Dont like what I am hearing thru contacts. Keim and Bidwill lied to Horton. Bidwill got his puppet (Keim)and both got the only guy that would accept final call being Bidwill. Took 4 year deal to make him sign....

Better qualified people were out there and still out there....
Like who?
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Posted: 1/19/2013 8:45 PM

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BradWilbricht wrote:

I'm going to go out and predict that Arians can't hang with harbaugh and carroll, in the long run, or even fisher.  it's not impossible, i just personally think it's going to be an uphill battle.


Respectfully, yes he will. Short run, long run. All this rah rah is what it is. We now have a mature, battle tested HC. We will be in the playoffs next season. Like he said and as I have indicated many times, you don't rebuild, meaning oh another five years till we are competitive, you re-tool. Which will be taking place. Never lose the faith, Card fans. 
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Posted: 1/19/2013 9:16 PM

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BradWilbricht wrote: Yeah, i have no problem with Arians.  Just find it odd about the Whiz/Grimm thing.  I mean if Arians wanted Whiz as OC, obviously he agrees with Whiz's philosophy, something that nobody here did after Warner left.

Maybe he wanted to take Kenny under his wing ?  Listen Ken your system was a mess in Pittsburgh.  I fixed it and will show you how its done by calling the plays.  Also I am gonna show you how to pick a QB the right way and teach your buddy Russ how to modernize some of his schemes.  This ain't the 80's no more Hog !  Haha seems like that kind of guy !


I know that Arians did a great job in Indy, but lets take a step back.  He had a once in a generation qb under center and the emotional lift from chuck pagano all season long.  not diminishing what he did, but just saying.  yes, i know he was also pretty successful in pittsburgh, but most coaches are - plus he was fired/replaced as oc there.

I'm going to go out and predict that Arians can't hang with harbaugh and carroll, in the long run, or even fisher.  it's not impossible, i just personally think it's going to be an uphill battle.

I think Harbaugh is a better coach for sure much as I hate to admit it.  Fisher isn't an upgrade IMO.  He is solid, but I think Arians could prove to be as well.  Carroll isn't at all.  Keep in mind, they don't get that gifted win from the refs, they probably didn't make the playoffs.  This division will churn out 2 playoff teams every year for the next decade.  I pity the other divisions that have to run through this gauntlet now.  4 mean Defenses ...


As for Horton, I'd like to get both sides of the story.  Was it really a blow up?   Who knows.  Some of those people (M Bidwill) appear to be really cut throat to me and would say whatever is needed to make the organization look better.  Could they have embellished what really happened?  It wouldn't surprise me. 

Bidwill is a business man for sure I hate his old man, but I am letting Mike chart out his own path before I judge.  

And who knows what was really said to Horton?  Maybe they did promise him things ... Can't fault a guy for being fired up if he was feed BS throughout the process.

You know though Brad, that's life.  I had graduated from college and taken a position with the company that interned me.  They promised me a large (at the time) salary and stability at the position.  I turned down offers to work elsewhere.  5 months into the job they announced cutbacks.  Guess who was on the chopping block ?  When other colleagues were screaming and cursing out mgmt.  I continued to work hard for the final 2 months and thanked them for the opportunity.  They ended up "finding" a job for me.  I had posted numbers and turned around a division that was the butt of jokes for years.  I stayed with them for just under another year and landed with my current employer.  Pissing on those who gave you opportunities is not the mature way to handle a situation.  It doesn't matter what you were verbally promised.  Until it's in writing, it isn't guaranteed.  I think both sides could certainly learn from this though.  
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Posted: 1/19/2013 9:21 PM

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What did Horton THINK was going on in all those OTHER interviews?
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Posted: 1/20/2013 10:05 AM

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Wellfed wrote: What did Horton THINK was going on in all those OTHER interviews?
Good point.
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Posted: 1/21/2013 10:43 AM

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REDMAN2000 wrote:
You know though Brad, that's life.  I had graduated from college and taken a position with the company that interned me.  They promised me a large (at the time) salary and stability at the position.  I turned down offers to work elsewhere.  5 months into the job they announced cutbacks.  Guess who was on the chopping block ?  When other colleagues were screaming and cursing out mgmt.  I continued to work hard for the final 2 months and thanked them for the opportunity.  They ended up "finding" a job for me.  I had posted numbers and turned around a division that was the butt of jokes for years.  I stayed with them for just under another year and landed with my current employer.  Pissing on those who gave you opportunities is not the mature way to handle a situation.  It doesn't matter what you were verbally promised.  Until it's in writing, it isn't guaranteed.  I think both sides could certainly learn from this though.  
RED - I get all that and agree.  But I still don't have a problem with Horton being fired up if he was mislead, lied to, etc - and again, we don't have all the details of what happened and what was really said.

Now, don't get me wrong - I did not think Horton should have gotten the HC job and about 3-4 other teams agree.  So it's pretty obvious that he's not quite high enough on the totem poll to become a HC right now. 

In reality, Horton should have seen the writing on the wall regardless of what he was told by Bidwill/Keim.  There was a very small chance that an incoming coach was going to keep him on.  And seeing how quick he got the DC job in Cleveland, surely he or his agent was putting some feelers out there.

I don't think this will affect his HC candidacy down the line, though.  He was in a tough spot either way, and most should realize that.
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Posted: 1/21/2013 10:54 AM

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Idahocard wrote:
BradWilbricht wrote:

I'm going to go out and predict that Arians can't hang with harbaugh and carroll, in the long run, or even fisher.  it's not impossible, i just personally think it's going to be an uphill battle.


Respectfully, yes he will. Short run, long run. All this rah rah is what it is. We now have a mature, battle tested HC. We will be in the playoffs next season. Like he said and as I have indicated many times, you don't rebuild, meaning oh another five years till we are competitive, you re-tool. Which will be taking place. Never lose the faith, Card fans. 

That is a bold prediction, my friend.  It would be quite a feat if Arians could pull that off.  Certainly a possibility though. 

So are you thinking that Kolb will be Arians' guy?  We can pretty much rule out Alex Smith coming here as Arians prefers a guy who can thrive in the vertical passing game.  What other free agents, draft targets?

One name I'll be keeping tabs on is Tyler Bray from Tennessee.  I see him being a real sleeper in this draft - maybe the best QB when it's all said in done. 

He’s been through some weird times in Tennessee with Derek Dooley, and it appears he left mainly because of the coaching change and b/c his top WRs left.  Despite the mess that Dooley had there, Bray put up tremendous numbers and led a solid offense.

More important than numbers, though, he has size, arm strength and some athletic ability. Now, he's not being mentioned with some of the top tier QB prospects yet, but I suspect that might change and we get closer to the draft.  Don’t know if he’ll be a first rounder, but I’d be all over him in the 2nd or 3rd round.

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Posted: 1/21/2013 12:50 PM

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BradWilbricht wrote:


 



So are you thinking that Kolb will be Arians' guy? 

With what we have invested in him, yes I do. And remember how polished and poised he looked at the beginning of the year. That is exactly why we got him. Now if we can just keep him on his feet. A lot can happen between now and then however.
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Posted: 1/21/2013 7:43 PM

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OK, I give in. Arians hired Tom Moore as associate head coach. I'm really, really a big fan of Moore. I am officially on the Arians bandwagon now.
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