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1, 2, 3 Strikes and your out!

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Posted: 1/15/2013 5:34 PM

1, 2, 3 Strikes and your out! 


So far the Cards have wifted on the two head coaching candidates they had said they were going after heavily. Apparently Horton is not the one they want and they are looking at offensive taylored coaches to fix the worst offense in the league.

The way I look at it the Cards have two strikes against them and are soon to miss on the third. Not looking promising sports fans and even on the home sports radio station they are questioning Bidwells ability to close the deal and its perception through out the league as an attractive place to coach.

Becoming persona non grata..........wonder what the Cards will be left with for HC candidates.
The risk of failure is great, but the risk of not making the necessary changes to improve ones self will surely spell disaster!

Last edited 1/15/2013 5:44 PM by Cowboy0113

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Posted: 1/15/2013 8:28 PM

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There are all kinds of good options out there.  And who's to say who the Cardinals are pursuing, or have pursued, heavily beside the Bidwills?
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Posted: 1/15/2013 10:40 PM

Re: 1, 2, 3 Strikes and your out! 


Wellfed,

Apparently I am not the only one out there that thinks the Cards are missing out and not an attractive coaching option. It is my impression if the Cards management says they are heavily pursuing a candidate they would close the deal. It seems to me they cannot get any coach into close the deal. Always seem to be the runner-up to getting the coach they need and settling for whomever comes along. Hence, their superb record of win-loss record, number of division championships etc. Not alot of good history there for as long as they have been in the NFL.

http://www.foxsportsarizona.co...amp;feedID=3702



"There will be plenty of public angst over the Cards missing the boat on several candidates, but the simple reality is that Arizona is not as attractive a job to candidates as places like Chicago or San Diego. Some of it has to do with the unsettled QB situation here; some of it has to do with the market".

The risk of failure is great, but the risk of not making the necessary changes to improve ones self will surely spell disaster!

Last edited 1/15/2013 10:44 PM by Cowboy0113

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Posted: 1/16/2013 12:25 AM

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That "report" might just as well have come from Bleacher Report.  What drivel.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 8:32 AM

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While I do believe the Cards would have taken Reid or McCoy, hiring head coaches has turned into such a crap shoot - especially in McCoy's case. Now Reid is retread - some of those have worked out, some haven't, only time will tell.

Hiring a head coach is tough. Sure, you look at the resumes and everyone's body of work and everyone gravitates to the known names. But in my opionon, it comes down to being in a room with a candidate, who has a passion to be involved in your organization and most importantly an undeniable desire to win.

Look at guys like John Harbaugh and Mike Tomlin, they didn't have the most qualified backgrounds when they were hired. It comes down to a mentality and a gut feeling when making a head coaching hire.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 9:48 AM

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The salary cap should include the entirety of a team's football operations.  If a team gets caught circumventing that  rule they should have to go on Oprah.  BTW, I thought she had retired.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 9:53 AM

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OK a few things to keep in mind gents.

1)  Bidwill stated he wanted to do his due diligence through the coaching search at the start of the process.  In other words, it wouldn't be fast.  Reid wanted absolute control.  After the Whiz experiment, you can see why mgmt would be reluctant to do that.  

2)  As for McCoy, I think the Cards truly wanted to get the guy as did many of us.  However, step back from being a Cards fan for a minute, and look at things through McCoy's eyes.  He could go to a team with a decent Defense, a once borderline elite QB that is still fairly young, a weak division that is one 37 year-old fused neck away from being hands-down the weakest division in football.  Or he could come to AZ which has to play Seattle, SF, and St Louis twice/year with an injury prone QB, horrendous line, and frail RB's.  Bidwill can throw all the money he wants at him and be the best closer he can, but the fact is this team is in rebuild/retool mode still thanks to some trades that didn't pan out, poor FA signings, and average drafts.  SD is the more attractive job that is the cold hard truth.

3)  Horton isn't going anywhere this offseason.  2 interviews with 2 teams that have already hired coaches.  Offense is the mantra this year which also means we have a lot of competition this year because that's the kind of coach we need.  I think Bidwill was gung-ho about Horton until he stated who he would like to be his assistants.  Most were from you guessed it ... Pittsburgh.  For instance, the RB's coach would be his OC.  The man has never coached nor has experience with QB's and OL !!!!  The system he would implement would not fit Kolb at all.  Picture Kolb running Ben's Offense.  We had Pittsburgh West and it did not work.  Why would Bidwill do that again ????  Oh yeah and Horton has only been a coordinator for 2 years.  That doesn't make me feel real confident either.  That's a big jump in duties.

4)  Part of due diligence is taking advantage of different coaches coming through and telling you things about your roster, problems with your scheme, and the direction you should go to correct those issues.  The more qualified candidates you hear from the better off the team will be in making the decision on who will be HC.

5)  Some cite lack of QB being the last straw for McCoy, that isn't going to be fixed this year with someone new.  This pool of QB's coming out has Suckfest 2013 written all over it.  Absolute garbage at that position coming out.  Fix the O-line, pray that Hoyer and Kolb can make something happen and hope 2014 has a better field of prospects.  SF and Seattle aren't going anywhere next season and St. Louis and their 15 1st round picks are surely going to improve.  Like it or not, Whiz and Graves took us to incredible highs but they crashed this plane and the wreckage takes some time to sort out.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 6:00 PM

RE: 1, 2, 3 Strikes and your out! 


seems to me the pickings are getting slim for head coach of the Cardinals no matter what everyone else thinks.
The risk of failure is great, but the risk of not making the necessary changes to improve ones self will surely spell disaster!
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Posted: 1/16/2013 6:42 PM

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We have Greg Roman SF's OC not yet eliminated.

We have Seattle's OC which put together back to back impressive seasons.

We have our own Horton who is the player's fave I'm sure.

We have Bruce Arians who coached a team that was last in the league to the playoffs this year.

We have Haley who has had some success as a HC and some as an OC.

That is 5 solid options bro IMO.
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Posted: 1/17/2013 12:56 PM

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I am sorry to disagree with you but the Cards have no body right now they are highly interested in as head coach. If they did, they would have hired them by now.

Seeing that every other team has already decided who their head coach will be going forward.
This is so they can bring stability to the team and work on the upcoming draft. Cards are behind the 8 ball again!!!

The Cards now have nothing but time to make the decision now. They can review and re-review who is left to find that right fit for the organization.

Seems to me that if you want a winning franchise you need to change the culture of the organization. This is not changing the culture but going down the same path year after year after year.

Have you ever heard that it is amazing that people and organizations seem to follow the same path in their decision making process but expect different results. THAT is the definition of INSANITY.

Hope I wrong, but I have a bad feeling about this.....

All season ticket holders should not invest in the Cardinals right now unless there is a commitment to changing the culture of the organization.
The risk of failure is great, but the risk of not making the necessary changes to improve ones self will surely spell disaster!

Last edited 1/17/2013 12:58 PM by Cowboy0113

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