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Here's a suggested 1st round pick:

Posted: 1/8/2013 6:45 AM

Here's a suggested 1st round pick: 


Barrett Jones, C, Alabama.  He's played several positions along the OL, tough, smart, and definitely a position of need.
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Posted: 1/8/2013 9:27 AM

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Dude the only team with 2 first round picks is the Rams so they will never trade with us. (In a dream world I'd love to make a trade work and have 2 first rounders in this draft).  I like Warmack and Jones and both have 1st round grades for sure, but at #7 it would be tough to pass up a hard to find LT.

I love Alabama's O-line.  They'd be a great fit in a Norv Turner run Offense too BTW just sayingnoidea
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Posted: 1/8/2013 9:44 AM

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Here's some more info on Barrett Jones..

http://alabama.scout.com/2/1253498.html

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Posted: 1/8/2013 9:46 AM

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Jones also played tackle and guard, and at a very high level.  He could literally be plugged in anywhere and excell.

Oh, and if we were to, say, trade Larry Fitzgerald to the Broncos for their first rounder, voila, we have two picks!


REDMAN2000 wrote: Dude the only team with 2 first round picks is the Rams so they will never trade with us. (In a dream world I'd love to make a trade work and have 2 first rounders in this draft).  I like Warmack and Jones and both have 1st round grades for sure, but at #7 it would be tough to pass up a hard to find LT.

I love Alabama's O-line.  They'd be a great fit in a Norv Turner run Offense too BTW just sayingnoidea
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Posted: 1/8/2013 6:04 PM

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Warmack is my choice.....absolutly devestating last night
BE MORE CONCERNED WITH YOUR CHARACTER THAN YOUR REPUTATION. YOUR CHARACTER IS WHO YOU REALLY ARE, AND YOUR REPUTATION IS ONLY WHAT OTHERS THINK YOUR ARE.....
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Posted: 1/8/2013 6:07 PM

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ANY OL from Alabama would be a-ok with me, brother...
LUZ56 wrote: Warmack is my choice.....absolutly devestating last night
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Posted: 1/8/2013 7:43 PM

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I Ryan Nassib is on the board during our first pick, I don't think we should pass him up just for the sake of thinking OL.
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Posted: 1/8/2013 7:45 PM

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Until we shore up THE WORST OFFENSIVE LINE IN THE NFL no quarterback we have will be worth a damn laying on his back half the game.

I guess my question to the "BPA"-bots we have here is this... at what point do we stop neglecting the most important component to having a dominant offense?  You know, one that can play smashmouth and ball-control in the playoffs the way WINNERS do?

If you're suggesting we take Nassib.. the fifth-rated quarterback in this draft.. with the 7th overall pick, you should be working for the Raiders, my friend.


Reddog7 wrote: I Ryan Nassib is on the board during our first pick, I don't think we should pass him up just for the sake of thinking OL.

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Posted: 1/8/2013 8:03 PM

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Yes this is a OL goldmine for the draft this year.  This draft has practically been gift-wrapped to us.  I think Keim gets it.  No way in h*** he passes up O-line.  His press conference today he summed up the line how I would.  "We have a couple pieces in place there, but the physicality has not been there."  Whiz used words like hasn't been there consistently, Keim wasn't afraid to say its been totally absent.  

OL is BPA this year at #7.  We find a QB this year in FA or roll with Kolb and a capable Hoyer at backup.
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Posted: 1/8/2013 8:16 PM

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Total agreement on this.
Mike Bidwill has said publicly he's not ready to give up on Kolb yet.  With even a decent OL he stays upright and healthy more often. 
This is our chance to really upgrade a vital part of the team that's been neglected for a long time.
If I were Keim, I'd go OL/OL/OL/OL/RB/etc.. and shore up a truly horrendous running game.
REDMAN2000 wrote: Yes this is a OL goldmine for the draft this year.  This draft has practically been gift-wrapped to us.  I think Keim gets it.  No way in h*** he passes up O-line.  His press conference today he summed up the line how I would.  "We have a couple pieces in place there, but the physicality has not been there."  Whiz used words like hasn't been there consistently, Keim wasn't afraid to say its been totally absent.  

OL is BPA this year at #7.  We find a QB this year in FA or roll with Kolb and a capable Hoyer at backup.

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Posted: 1/8/2013 8:30 PM

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Yes biggest lie we were told during Whiz era last 3 years, was Brown, Colledge, Sendlein, and Hadnot/Snyder are good enough to win and that QB and WR miscues were largely to blame.  Local media even drank the Kool-Aide but everyone else outside the Cards weren't fooled one bit.  Brown should line up inside where I think he can become a dominant player.  Colledge and Sendlein would fare better in a team that places emphasis on pass pro ala NE, GB, etc.  Even then they would probably be backups.  Nothing but love for those guys as people and hard workers, just haven't seen them hold up and create holes for the RB's.

In the right system Kolb can become a decent QB.  The one advantage we now have is being able to negotiate his cap number down due to injury concerns.  Should help us get and keep talent in other areas.  He is not a $10 million/season avg. guy.  But we also don't need him to be with our Defense.
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Posted: 1/8/2013 8:35 PM

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frankinphoenix wrote: Until we shore up THE WORST OFFENSIVE LINE IN THE NFL no quarterback we have will be worth a damn laying on his back half the game.

I guess my question to the "BPA"-bots we have here is this... at what point do we stop neglecting the most important component to having a dominant offense?  You know, one that can play smashmouth and ball-control in the playoffs the way WINNERS do?

If you're suggesting we take Nassib.. the fifth-rated quarterback in this draft.. with the 7th overall pick, you should be working for the Raiders, my friend.


Reddog7 wrote: I Ryan Nassib is on the board during our first pick, I don't think we should pass him up just for the sake of thinking OL.
 To suggest that the draft is the only way to fix the OL is shortsighted IMO, and I would in turn suggest you should be working for Buffalo. As far as Nassib's ranking relative to our position in the draft.......two things: 1) his ranking could change between now and draft day and 2) if memory serves we had a shot at Russell Wilson but our "priorities" were elswhere. Not making an argument in heinsight here, but rather pointing out that where a player ranks in the draft is not always an indicator. Knowing what you know now for example, would you trade Wilson for Andrew Luck if you were the Seahawks and Indy offered? Is there a great enough difference that you would do that?
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Posted: 1/9/2013 2:34 AM

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This draft is deep w/ excellent offensive linemen.  We need offensive linemen.  Do the math.  No it's not the only way.  But this year it's the best and most cost-effective way.

I won't answer your hypo b/c I don't have any idea what Whisenhunt was prioritizing.  It certainly wasn't an offensive line.  How many QBs was KW going to draft?  And you ARE making an argument in hindsight.  How many teams passed on Wilson?

Nassib is a total reach at that pick, and would make the new GM a laughingstock right out of the gate.  It's what the Raiders do.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 1:51 PM

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frankinphoenix wrote: This draft is deep w/ excellent offensive linemen.  We need offensive linemen.  Do the math.  No it's not the only way. 

-Which is why the BPA approach would still be a plausable one, because of the depth of OL in the upcoming draft. Do the logic (as long as we're being sarcastic)


But this year it's the best and most cost-effective way.I won't answer your hypo b/c I don't have any idea what Whisenhunt was prioritizing.  It certainly wasn't an offensive line. 

-And I won't respond to keyboard general manager assertions because you're not in a position to assert with any authority as to what's truly best for this team. You have an opinion just like everyone else. But you are correct in acknowledging that you have no idea what KW's priorities were, so don't contradict yourself when you then turnaround and claim that it wasn't linemen just because it wasn't reflected via the draft.


And you ARE making an argument in hindsight.  How many teams passed on Wilson?

-Then you're missing my point so I'll try with another example. Matt Leinart and the then draft. The OL was a problem at that time also under Denny. But when a HT winner was still available come time for our #1 pick, that's who we went with. In his case the BPA approach as I'm sighting here didn't workout. The following draft it was clear that we needed help on defense. That need took priority and DRC was picked # 1. That didn't workout either. (And note, his draft status in the beginning was considerably low and changed dramatically after Senior Bowl week). The point of analogy here is that no approach is guaranteed and when you have a situation of multiple needs like we have (OL help and QB), my opinion here is simply one of keeping your options open and playing the odds. With the amount of potential talent at OL, the Cards may very well consider a young QB for the future at #1 who shows promise. As for how many teams passed on Russell Wilson, to me that's no excuse where the Cards are concerned. Wilson or no Wilson, there was a clear failure in the decisions that went into our QB situation and reportedly that's why we're looking for a new HC.


Nassib is a total reach at that pick, and would make the new GM a laughingstock right out of the gate.  It's what the Raiders do.

-Let's wait and see what the experts decide before we try and pass our opinions off as fact. As for the Raiders, we really have our own problems, so I wouldn't knock them too much.

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Posted: 1/9/2013 3:11 PM

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"Experts" have Nassib rated the 5th best QB in this draft.  If you're saying taking him at #7 isn't a reach, okay.
Reddog7 wrote:
frankinphoenix wrote: This draft is deep w/ excellent offensive linemen.  We need offensive linemen.  Do the math.  No it's not the only way. 

-Which is why the BPA approach would still be a plausable one, because of the depth of OL in the upcoming draft. Do the logic (as long as we're being sarcastic)


But this year it's the best and most cost-effective way.I won't answer your hypo b/c I don't have any idea what Whisenhunt was prioritizing.  It certainly wasn't an offensive line. 

-And I won't respond to keyboard general manager assertions because you're not in a position to assert with any authority as to what's truly best for this team. You have an opinion just like everyone else. But you are correct in acknowledging that you have no idea what KW's priorities were, so don't contradict yourself when you then turnaround and claim that it wasn't linemen just because it wasn't reflected via the draft.


And you ARE making an argument in hindsight.  How many teams passed on Wilson?

-Then you're missing my point so I'll try with another example. Matt Leinart and the then draft. The OL was a problem at that time also under Denny. But when a HT winner was still available come time for our #1 pick, that's who we went with. In his case the BPA approach as I'm sighting here didn't workout. The following draft it was clear that we needed help on defense. That need took priority and DRC was picked # 1. That didn't workout either. (And note, his draft status in the beginning was considerably low and changed dramatically after Senior Bowl week). The point of analogy here is that no approach is guaranteed and when you have a situation of multiple needs like we have (OL help and QB), my opinion here is simply one of keeping your options open and playing the odds. With the amount of potential talent at OL, the Cards may very well consider a young QB for the future at #1 who shows promise. As for how many teams passed on Russell Wilson, to me that's no excuse where the Cards are concerned. Wilson or no Wilson, there was a clear failure in the decisions that went into our QB situation and reportedly that's why we're looking for a new HC.


Nassib is a total reach at that pick, and would make the new GM a laughingstock right out of the gate.  It's what the Raiders do.

-Let's wait and see what the experts decide before we try and pass our opinions off as fact. As for the Raiders, we really have our own problems, so I wouldn't knock them too much.

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Posted: 1/9/2013 4:07 PM

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The "reports" I'm hearing, for what they're worth, are that ownership want to continue on with Kolb.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 4:21 PM

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Keim thinks there are 8 good QB's in the league and everyone that doesn't have one of those is looking for one of those.  He thinks Kolb has the potential to be one of those.  In Keim we now trust, don't we?
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Posted: 1/9/2013 5:05 PM

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Wellfed wrote: The "reports" I'm hearing, for what they're worth, are that ownership want to continue on with Kolb.

I would toss my chips towards Kolb. He looked very serviceable, accurate, and poised early on. We have made an investment in him, stick to it, at a lower premium of course. Now go get some OL maulers in the draft. Fitzgerald need not be in any discussion as trade bait.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 5:51 PM

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Our OWN OL came around as the season progressed.  We're not THAT far away from being a good football team.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 6:00 PM

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Wellfed wrote:  good football team.

Good ain't gonna get it!  Phenominal will.
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