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Just gonna go out on a limb right now and predict,,,

Posted: 1/4/2013 3:23 PM

Just gonna go out on a limb right now and predict,,, 


next Cards' coach?  Todd Haley.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 3:39 PM

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I think you're right, though I'm hoping for McCoy.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 3:41 PM

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McCoy would be good, but I'm a Broncos fan also, and am hoping he stays right where he is!
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Posted: 1/4/2013 5:54 PM

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I was skeptical on the idea of Haley at first ... But Haley kind of got a raw deal in KC, fired mainly because he didn't mesh with Pioli (and from reports, many in the organization from top to bottom didn't mesh with Pioli).

Haley was 10-6 in his first season in KC, then fired after a 5-8 start to the 2011 season - and I believe they had some injury issues. I mean, look at the train wreck KC was this year. 10-6 two years ago with many of the same players is pretty impressive.

I'm thinking Haley won't even take the interview, though, unless the Cards let them know he's their first option. We'll probably find that out after they talk to McCoy.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 6:06 PM

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Fitz will be very happy if Haley becomes his HC.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 9:31 PM

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Haley wouldn't hurt my feelings any, either.  Still rooting for Horton, though.
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Posted: 1/5/2013 6:32 AM

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Haley...This guy is nothing but trouble....serious egomaniac that has a small shelf life...Just look at the past 5 years. You need a guy that is going to get the most out of his players, not one that is going to beat them down
BE MORE CONCERNED WITH YOUR CHARACTER THAN YOUR REPUTATION. YOUR CHARACTER IS WHO YOU REALLY ARE, AND YOUR REPUTATION IS ONLY WHAT OTHERS THINK YOUR ARE.....
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Posted: 1/5/2013 7:32 AM

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Just remember, you cannot play the game from the sidelines only strategize and call plays.

If Haley's ego thinks he is a better player from the sidelines than the players on the field then I say he is out in my playbook and Horton should be the HC unless Bidwell lets him get away as well.

If this happens I wonder what the next play in Mr. Bidwells hand will be.....tune in next week for upcoming news and events regarding who will be the next HC of the Cards.

The Bidwell Circus has begun. Kinda tells you something when no one wants to interview with your organization outside of Horton. 
LUZ56 wrote: Haley...This guy is nothing but trouble....serious egomaniac that has a small shelf life...Just look at the past 5 years. You need a guy that is going to get the most out of his players, not one that is going to beat them down
The risk of failure is great, but the risk of not making the necessary changes to improve ones self will surely spell disaster!

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Posted: 1/5/2013 7:43 AM

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The silence is deafening here in AZ....Wonder how long it will be before they bring in WHUZ for an interview...(joking)
BE MORE CONCERNED WITH YOUR CHARACTER THAN YOUR REPUTATION. YOUR CHARACTER IS WHO YOU REALLY ARE, AND YOUR REPUTATION IS ONLY WHAT OTHERS THINK YOUR ARE.....
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Posted: 1/5/2013 9:40 AM

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If you think the silence is deafening here.. think about the San Diego job.  Haven't heard a single word about it.
LUZ56 wrote: The silence is deafening here in AZ....Wonder how long it will be before they bring in WHUZ for an interview...(joking)
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Posted: 1/5/2013 10:18 AM

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Wellfed wrote:   Still rooting for Horton, though.

Me too.
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Posted: 1/5/2013 11:30 AM

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BradWilbricht wrote: I was skeptical on the idea of Haley at first ... But Haley kind of got a raw deal in KC, fired mainly because he didn't mesh with Pioli (and from reports, many in the organization from top to bottom didn't mesh with Pioli).

Haley was 10-6 in his first season in KC, then fired after a 5-8 start to the 2011 season - and I believe they had some injury issues. I mean, look at the train wreck KC was this year. 10-6 two years ago with many of the same players is pretty impressive.

I'm thinking Haley won't even take the interview, though, unless the Cards let them know he's their first option. We'll probably find that out after they talk to McCoy.
After watching the Flightplan segment I taped last night with Ron Wolfley interviewing Michael Bidwill, Haley does seem to fit what he is looking for in a HC.  He cited he wants a leader, someone who will hold players accountability, and has a history of expecting and getting high performance from players.  There is certainly evidence to support that from Haley especially the accountability piece that I don't think Whiz and Mike Miller demanded.

I like you Brad am willing to give Haley a pass in KC.  He did have success in his first season there, and probably learned a lot from his mistakes.  A dysfunctional organization lead by the GM and FO staff largely sabotaged that team IMO.  However, what bothers me is what I saw in Pittsburgh this year.  The Offense started off great and seemed to be the type of play calling I'd expect from a Haley run offense.  Before Ben went down, they went very conservative and the playcalling was very bland and predictable.  Why the change ?  THen when Ben went down, he had Checkdown Charlie as his backup.  Instead of modifying the playbook to fit Batch's strengths, he made him throw long balls that he'd expect Ben to complete.  Batch can't make those throws.  Then the next game it continued, and so on.  When Ben came back it was the same conservative easy to tell plays.  Also with the exception of Horton, whenever Pittsburgh seems willing to let a coach or player come to another team without any sort of fight there is usually a reason why as we've found over and over.  We wanted Butler as DC for years, it was a promotion and yet the Rooneys denied permission at least 2 years in a row.  That also concerns me where Haley is concerned.
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Posted: 1/5/2013 11:50 AM

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Hey, for me, bottom line on Haley's stint in KC is that he got a 2-14 team to the playoffs in two years.
REDMAN2000 wrote:
BradWilbricht wrote: I was skeptical on the idea of Haley at first ... But Haley kind of got a raw deal in KC, fired mainly because he didn't mesh with Pioli (and from reports, many in the organization from top to bottom didn't mesh with Pioli).

Haley was 10-6 in his first season in KC, then fired after a 5-8 start to the 2011 season - and I believe they had some injury issues. I mean, look at the train wreck KC was this year. 10-6 two years ago with many of the same players is pretty impressive.

I'm thinking Haley won't even take the interview, though, unless the Cards let them know he's their first option. We'll probably find that out after they talk to McCoy.
After watching the Flightplan segment I taped last night with Ron Wolfley interviewing Michael Bidwill, Haley does seem to fit what he is looking for in a HC.  He cited he wants a leader, someone who will hold players accountability, and has a history of expecting and getting high performance from players.  There is certainly evidence to support that from Haley especially the accountability piece that I don't think Whiz and Mike Miller demanded.

I like you Brad am willing to give Haley a pass in KC.  He did have success in his first season there, and probably learned a lot from his mistakes.  A dysfunctional organization lead by the GM and FO staff largely sabotaged that team IMO.  However, what bothers me is what I saw in Pittsburgh this year.  The Offense started off great and seemed to be the type of play calling I'd expect from a Haley run offense.  Before Ben went down, they went very conservative and the playcalling was very bland and predictable.  Why the change ?  THen when Ben went down, he had Checkdown Charlie as his backup.  Instead of modifying the playbook to fit Batch's strengths, he made him throw long balls that he'd expect Ben to complete.  Batch can't make those throws.  Then the next game it continued, and so on.  When Ben came back it was the same conservative easy to tell plays.  Also with the exception of Horton, whenever Pittsburgh seems willing to let a coach or player come to another team without any sort of fight there is usually a reason why as we've found over and over.  We wanted Butler as DC for years, it was a promotion and yet the Rooneys denied permission at least 2 years in a row.  That also concerns me where Haley is concerned.
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Posted: 1/5/2013 2:32 PM

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Todd Haley will be your next coach IMO. You dont want Horton. If the players are outspoken about making him HC, thats awful. KC had that with Romeo and it was awful. Get McCoy not Haley.
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Posted: 1/5/2013 4:51 PM

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REDMAN2000 wrote: 

Also with the exception of Horton, whenever Pittsburgh seems willing to let a coach or player come to another team without any sort of fight there is usually a reason why as we've found over and over.  We wanted Butler as DC for years, it was a promotion and yet the Rooneys denied permission at least 2 years in a row.  That also concerns me where Haley is concerned.

I'm not sure Pittsburgh blocks coordinators/assistants from pursuing head coaching jobs or anything considered advancement.  Maybe sometimes, but I don't think their intention is to hold people back. 

In the case of Butler, he was a DC interviewing for another DC position.  That is usually when the blocks occur.
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Posted: 1/5/2013 6:31 PM

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dtchiefs4life wrote: Todd Haley will be your next coach IMO. You dont want Horton. If the players are outspoken about making him HC, thats awful. KC had that with Romeo and it was awful. Get McCoy not Haley.
Agree about McCoy, though I too suspect Haley gets the nod. As for Horton, I can't help suspect an assumption that just because he's done well as a DC, it will translate into a good HC. Maybe.....maybe not. A gross assumption either way. McCoy on the other hand has proven experience on the side of the ball where we need the most help.
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Posted: 1/5/2013 7:14 PM

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Dick LeBeau is still DC in Pittsburgh.
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Posted: 1/5/2013 9:43 PM

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Yeah Butler is still the LB's coach.  I know he is the unofficial heir apparent to LeBeau, but nonetheless Pitt denied him permission to talk to us twice about the DC position.  

My point is when you look at personnel the Steelers are willing to let go, typically they're past their prime or are easily replaced.  The fact that they're willing to let Haley interview without any hesitation is still a bit of a red flag to me just based on the AZ-former Steeler connections we've witnessed the past few years.
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Posted: 1/5/2013 11:13 PM

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Are you saying the Steelers are too afraid to fire people and somehow nudge them out the door to willing dupes?  Brilliant!  wink
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Posted: 1/5/2013 11:55 PM

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Wellfed wrote: Dick LeBeau is still DC in Pittsburgh.

Oops, yeah my bad.  Throw my theory out the window here.
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