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Seen Enough Yet??

Posted: 12/2/2012 3:23 PM

Seen Enough Yet?? 


I have been calling for the heads of WHUZ and Graves since last year and if you guys havent seen enough I am not sure what it will take....

Let see....

SF.... great team, force for at least 3-4 years..Young QB
Seattle...good team with young talent. Young QB 
St Louis..Loads of young talent and will load up again after this draft..Young QB
Arizona....Great D...not much else..No QB


Graves and co have set us back for 2-3 years. You think any decent FA wants to come here other than to golf???
BE MORE CONCERNED WITH YOUR CHARACTER THAN YOUR REPUTATION. YOUR CHARACTER IS WHO YOU REALLY ARE, AND YOUR REPUTATION IS ONLY WHAT OTHERS THINK YOUR ARE.....
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Posted: 12/2/2012 4:07 PM

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We have Kolb, who is a young QB. Re-formulate the vanilla offense, meaning firing Miller and Grimm and bring some competence in, and, wal-la, we compete. We definately need a quality OC. I still think we retain Whiz through next season. If again we fail at success, then it would be time.
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Posted: 12/2/2012 5:34 PM

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Kolb did nothing in Philly and he has followed that up here..Bring in some competence?? From where, and who wants to come here? Gay, Snyder, Bradley Heap?? Yeah wal-la bottom looking up is only good if its ***. I hear what your saying but this ship is sailing the wrong way and Whis and Graves are to blame
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Posted: 12/2/2012 7:54 PM

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LUZ56 wrote: Kolb did nothing in Philly and he has followed that up here..Bring in some competence??
4-0 start for starters.
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Posted: 12/2/2012 8:03 PM

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we don't have a competent QB coach,line coach or off coordinator. Graves got the players that Whiz wanted whether by draft, or free agency. Graves hired the offensive assistants that Whiz chose. Things have not worked out lately and the team is heading down hill.
We don't have anyone to develop our QB's, linemen or receivers.
Whiz is loyal only to his friends whom he hired as coaches. If he get another chance, we'll see more of the same, only different faces. I am tired of losing. I am tired of Whiz and company.

I agree with Scott Allen of Raising Zona. He put it all in a nut shell.

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Posted: 12/2/2012 9:19 PM

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Okay, I've been a supporter of Whiz, but today I think I've turned the corner.  This may seem silly, but a couple things struck me about the Jet game:

(1) Knowing the offense has done absolutely nothing for weeks, why pass up a FG on the road to go for it on fourth down?  Both teams offenses have been struggling, and with our defense it doesn't take a lot of points (unless our QB is passing out pick sixes like Halloween candy)  I thought that was a really bad decision.. and turns out we could've used those points.

(2) Lindley is without a doubt just plain terrible.. he throws the most horribly inaccurate pretty spirals I've ever seen.  10/31, and probably 20 of those incompletions could have been ruled "uncatchable."

(3) I guess I'm not sure why Skelton was good enough to win the starting job in camp but he's been on the bench for two weeks while a hopelessly bad third stringer has stunk up the joint.  Whiz is a poor chess player.. he scapegoated Skelton by yanking him, and it's blown up in his face.

(4) Did I mention that LINDLEY STINKS?

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Posted: 12/2/2012 9:55 PM

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Idahocard wrote: We have Kolb, who is a young QB.
One more good knock upside the head and he will be toast.
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Posted: 12/2/2012 10:27 PM

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I'm sure the Cardinals didn't envision bringing Kolb in only to have the snot beaten out of him.  It's too bad he isn't in there now that the OL has been providing better pass protection.

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Posted: 12/2/2012 11:05 PM

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I've seen enough of Lindley.  Another thing I don't get has been Whisenhunt's commitment to not playing rookies because you can't trust them blah2.  Yet he allows Lindley to have his confidence destroyed.  THis kid isn't learning anything, he is getting the ball and just trying to survive.  He has no running game to help, Defenses are not afraid to come after him every snap because he can't hit wide open receivers. Honestly, Seattle could probably rush 9 all game and keep 2 safeties back.  It is amazing we think it can't get worse than Levi Brown and we get Batiste.  We think accuracy can't be worse than Skelton and we get Lindley.  I'm at a total loss here guys, I've never seen games like these before.  Total ineptitude ...
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Posted: 12/2/2012 11:15 PM

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I'm not sure who would think it can't get any worse than Levi Brown?  The thing with Brown was how high he was drafted.  Had we got him in the 2nd round we'd probably be thinking—steal.

As for the QB situ, I think Skelton's benching likely means he's done as a Cardinal.  I'm hoping they bring Kolb back as long as the price is right.  We need to find a decent has been to couple with Kolb and Lindley, IMO.

I was hoping for good things from Skelton, but… you can only hold on so long.  Some people think that about Whisenhunt.  wink

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Posted: 12/2/2012 11:22 PM

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Aside from the back half of last year, Levi Brown has been one of the worst starting OT's in all of football.  His pass pro skills are fairly poor.
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Posted: 12/2/2012 11:36 PM

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Levi Brown seemed to have concentration issues, but those moments were becoming fewer and fewer.  He doesn't seem to get the job done against the super elite DL's which you expect from a guy drafted that high.  He was a right tackle at Penn State and was THOUGHT to be the guy to protect lefty Matt Leinart's backside for years to come.  So much for over thinking things.  Adrian Peterson would have been sweet for years to come.  BPA is the only way to fly, IMO.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 3:14 AM

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When you say "reformulate" = "voila"...

Who's going to be making blocks that lead to open running lanes?  Because the guys making the "blocks" right now aren't getting it done, and frankly I'm not buying that it's Grimm's fault. 

Then, once those holes are created, who's going to be running through them?  Because I've come to doubt Beanie Wells' ability to find them.

Did you see Whis pass on a chip-shot FG in the first half to go for it on 4th and 3?  The way this offense was playing, that's like a hobo turning his nose up at a cheeseburger in the hopes of finding filet mignon.

Idahocard wrote: We have Kolb, who is a young QB. Re-formulate the vanilla offense, meaning firing Miller and Grimm and bring some competence in, and, wal-la, we compete. We definately need a quality OC. I still think we retain Whiz through next season. If again we fail at success, then it would be time.

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Posted: 12/3/2012 3:27 AM

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By starting (and staying with) the atrocious Lindley, basically Whis gave up on the season at 4-5 when Skelton was yanked mid-game at Atlanta (!) for missing a couple throws.  Now we're seeing missed throws every other pass play... hmmm..
this is just plain bad, desperate coaching at it's worst.
Wellfed wrote:

I'm not sure who would think it can't get any worse than Levi Brown?  The thing with Brown was how high he was drafted.  Had we got him in the 2nd round we'd probably be thinking—steal.

As for the QB situ, I think Skelton's benching likely means he's done as a Cardinal.  I'm hoping they bring Kolb back as long as the price is right.  We need to find a decent has been to couple with Kolb and Lindley, IMO.

I was hoping for good things from Skelton, but… you can only hold on so long.  Some people think that about Whisenhunt.  wink

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Posted: 12/3/2012 9:53 AM

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frankinphoenix wrote:
Did you see Whis pass on a chip-shot FG in the first half to go for it on 4th and 3?  The way this offense was playing, that's like a hobo turning his nose up at a cheeseburger in the hopes of finding filet mignon.

Yep. I never thought the Cards could reach this low. Calling the performance the last several games pathetic is actually a compliment. What a waste of a high caliber defense. Heads better start rolling. I bought Sunday ticket to watch this s**t?
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Posted: 12/3/2012 10:00 AM

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We don't know what the Cardinals/Whisenhunt's thinking is with Lindley.  One thing that is fairly certain is the Cardinals/Whisenhunt had seen enough of John Skelton.  I know I had, and I was and hope to remain a Skelton fan.  Skelton doesn't need to remain with the Cardinals for that to happen.  Next year a mix of Kolb, Lindley, and some Matt Hasselbeck caliber veteran would be a nice setup, IMO.  Kolb and Lindley as 1/2 isn't going to inspire much confidence in the fan base.  This much I do know.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 10:41 AM

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Yeah, it would have been nice if Skelton had panned out.. but then it's difficult to assess a young QB (or any QB) when the protection is so awful.  But I'm pretty sure Lindley doesn't have "it" from what I've seen.
The whole thing just smells like Whis waiving the white flag (or a signal to the rest of the league) that "look, we don't have a QB!!!"
Wellfed wrote: We don't know what the Cardinals/Whisenhunt's thinking is with Lindley.  One thing that is fairly certain is the Cardinals/Whisenhunt had seen enough of John Skelton.  I know I had, and I was and hope to remain a Skelton fan.  Skelton doesn't need to remain with the Cardinals for that to happen.  Next year a mix of Kolb, Lindley, and some Matt Hasselbeck caliber veteran would be a nice setup, IMO.  Kolb and Lindley as 1/2 isn't going to inspire much confidence in the fan base.  This much I do know.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 10:45 AM

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I think coaches are pretty practical guys.  IOW, they take the opportunity to see what they have in every player when the opportunity presents itself.  Lindley looked like he had a future in the NFL the first half of the Rams game.  Warner liked what he saw and I have to belief Warner's opinion counts for something on the subject of quarterbacks.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 11:46 AM

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Wellfed wrote: We don't know what the Cardinals/Whisenhunt's thinking is with Lindley.  Next year a mix of Kolb, Lindley, and some Matt Hasselbeck caliber veteran would be a nice setup, IMO.  Kolb and Lindley as 1/2 isn't going to inspire much confidence in the fan base.  This much I do know.
Yet you seem insistent on supporting the leadership that put them there while on the other hand only coming down hard on the players. As for Lindley, Whisenhunt had no choice but to stick with him during the game. He made the call that ultimately backed him into that corner, and to have pulled Lindley and put Skelton back in would have showed indecisiveness and a lack of confidence in judgement. He was between a rock and a hard place. Not to mention yet another QB decision that appears not to be working out. Mike Lombardi was right this morning when talking about the prospect of Alex Smith going to Arizona (among other teams). He said any QB that goes to Arizona is going to have trouble. That expert analysis points more to coaching and a systemic problem than it does to players.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 12:08 PM

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Well said.. bottom line is the offense is Whisenhunt's baby, and it's a total disgrace.  Outside of Fitz it just needs burnt to the ground and rebuilt from scratch.
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Wellfed wrote: We don't know what the Cardinals/Whisenhunt's thinking is with Lindley.  Next year a mix of Kolb, Lindley, and some Matt Hasselbeck caliber veteran would be a nice setup, IMO.  Kolb and Lindley as 1/2 isn't going to inspire much confidence in the fan base.  This much I do know.
Yet you seem insistent on supporting the leadership that put them there while on the other hand only coming down hard on the players. As for Lindley, Whisenhunt had no choice but to stick with him during the game. He made the call that ultimately backed him into that corner, and to have pulled Lindley and put Skelton back in would have showed indecisiveness and a lack of confidence in judgement. He was between a rock and a hard place. Not to mention yet another QB decision that appears not to be working out. Mike Lombardi was right this morning when talking about the prospect of Alex Smith going to Arizona (among other teams). He said any QB that goes to Arizona is going to have trouble. That expert analysis points more to coaching and a systemic problem than it does to players.
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