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What is the "Main" reason the Saints are successful

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Posted: 11/1/2013 6:45 PM

What is the "Main" reason the Saints are successful 


If you could sum up one reason why the Saints are so successful this season....what would be your answer....

After much thought and consideration...I've come to my conclusion...no...it's not Drew...although we all know where we'd be without him...he's been pretty consistent over the years...but I'm looking mostly at what has changed between last season and this season...I'm sure a lot of folks would say "defense"...and that would be a pretty good answer...considering where we came from last year...anything would be considered a BIG improvement over last year...don't get me wrong...I've appreciated what coach Ryan has brought to our defense...they actually look alive again...and are back to getting respect in the league...but that isn't what I have chosen as the reason...I'd have to say that having the heartbeat of this team back is what is making the difference this season...and that's coach Payton...why???....well...we had Drew last season and I figured that just having Drew as our QB for so long....and pretty much having the same players who've made this team successful would carry us through a season with a winning record and a shot at the playoffs....even though we had a couple new head coaches...these coaches knew our system and pretty much could put it in cruise control and let the players do their thing and still be successful....sheesh....was I wrong...yea...coach Spags did pretty much suck and screw up the minds of our defense...but hey...this offense could carry them through a lackluster defensive season....wrong again....we needed our heartbeat back...and that was coach Payton....

So what are ya'lls thoughs???

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Posted: 11/1/2013 11:25 PM

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This is the kind of discussion that I was talking about Bubba.

The easy answer is Sean Payton, but that answer has many, many levels.  To me the biggest difference between this season and the past couple of seasons to me has to be the attention to detail.  I know that is easy to say, but something happens when you get knocked down to the mat. 

Payton was away from the game and that allowed him the time and the space to evaluate exactly how everything was being done and also evaluate what needed to change.  The Spags change was an easy one, but he also had to find the right replacement and person that was going to be able to work with the personnel that was here.  The Saints were not in a position to go out and sign a lot of new players.  They were and still are carrying huge salaries for Vilma, Smith and Harper.  So were able to add a couple of key picks in Jenkins and Vacarro and added free agents Lewis and Butler.  Although Butler has not played.  This spurred the trade for Haralson.

Payton is also a calming influence on Brees.  I think this is key because Drew basically had 2012 to run the show his way.  Without Payton he was the deciding vote in the room when the game plan was being developed, he had the chance to influence the play call and he took risk because the defense was bad.  This year Drew has protected the ball a lot more and the Payton has called an excellent short game to actually use the pass even in place of the run sometimes.  Brees' has always had a high completion percentage, but his percentage for those 0-15 is currently sitting at around 78%.  What this means is that basically on any short distance to gain the Saints have basically an 80% chance to pick it up. 

So to me Payton has come back and put his stamp on every part of this team.

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Posted: 11/2/2013 6:54 AM

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I think you have to go with 'the easy answer' and give the credit to Payton. He is what makes the whole thing tick, and he is the only answer you can give if you are talking about the main reason for the team's success while he has been here. But he had to have a qb to get his offense going. He had to have a GM who understands the vision. He has to have a roster of 53 players who understand that vision and their roles in it.

It's Payton. He is one of the very best in the game. Oddly, I don't hear the talking heads giving him that credit very often. They should.

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Posted: 11/2/2013 6:36 PM

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I would have to go with Rob Ryan. 

We have had years with Payton here that we have had a losing record.  07 and '10 come to mind.  I would also suggest that last year Drew threw more interceptions as he was always playing from behind.  Sometimes that took the running game out of play. 

The reason I'm going with Ryan is because he basically has the same players that Spags had last year.  Ryan is just allowing them to play to their strengths. 

Interestingly enough, the offense hasn't been doing as well this year as years past.  Of course this has a lot to do with the line, I believes it furthers a case for Rob Ryan being a big part of how well we have done so far this year. 

I do wonder if a better center would help the entire line play better.  Grubbs was supposed to be great and thus far has been awful.
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Posted: 11/3/2013 9:06 AM

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KtoLV wrote: I would have to go with Rob Ryan. 

We have had years with Payton here that we have had a losing record.  07 and '10 come to mind.  I would also suggest that last year Drew threw more interceptions as he was always playing from behind.  Sometimes that took the running game out of play. 

The reason I'm going with Ryan is because he basically has the same players that Spags had last year.  Ryan is just allowing them to play to their strengths. 

Interestingly enough, the offense hasn't been doing as well this year as years past.  Of course this has a lot to do with the line, I believes it furthers a case for Rob Ryan being a big part of how well we have done so far this year. 

I do wonder if a better center would help the entire line play better.  Grubbs was supposed to be great and thus far has been awful.

The couple of reasons that you pointed out still all come back around to Payton. 

1) Payton could have promoted from within or hired anybody that he wanted to coach the defense.

He chose Ryan.  He chose the guy that need redemption.  He hired a guy with a history of working in different situations and getting results.

2) Payton is a calming presence of Brees and has been there to go over everything from last year and to analyze what the Saints are doing this year.  Brees has a lot more throws around the LOS.  A lot more throws that happen between 0 and 15 yards down field.  This has done two things.  It increases the likelihood of completions and the Saints have also learned how to use it as the running game moving the chains.

Payton still calls the plays and sends in the personnel packages.

Ironically enough the two seasons that you mentioned 07 and 10 were both after NFC Championship Appearances and of course 10 after the Super Bowl.  Was there some hangover?  Sure.  Was there a problem with getting guys to buy back into working hard?  Sure.  A lot of teams have the hangover.

Atlanta is having this right now to an extent.  The team starts losing, the QB just got a huge deal that he feels like he has to earn so he is pushing the ball down the field for 4 interceptions in a game and the thing snowballs.

I agree that the breakdown on the offensive line right now is the center.  De La Punte has missed on a ton of assignments.  The center would also be asked to help double up with the guard which he has been late to respond and allowed the DT to split the gap between Grubbs and himself.  I think Grubbs is still a good guard in the league.  He is getting older.  Being on the outside we are not really able to understand if the Center is making the right blocking calls for the lines or the right adjustments.

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