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Could ED Reed end up in New Orleans

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Posted: 2/5/2013 9:36 AM

Could ED Reed end up in New Orleans 


The Ravens have several free agents and a big cap number.  Rumor is that Reed might be looking to coming home to Louisiana.

The Saints could use a strong veteran on the back end of the defense to play the veteran role that Sharper played in 2009.  Especially as they make the move to the 3-4.  Reed coming from the 3-4 will already have a built in understanding of where the holes in the zones are going to be and where he can anticipate the throws coming into.

Saint Tiger

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Posted: 2/5/2013 10:56 AM

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why would he want to play for the Saints.... ya'll can't pay the power bill, much less his salary..devil
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Posted: 2/5/2013 5:22 PM

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When you have an open bar, you don't care if the lights go out.

Saint Tiger

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Posted: 2/5/2013 6:00 PM

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true.... grab the tip jar and run  devil
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Posted: 2/7/2013 6:47 AM

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CANAPANTHERFAN wrote: true.... grab the tip jar and run  devil

Might need that tip jar money to help intice getting Ed Reed away from the Ravens...he won't come cheap....

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Posted: 2/8/2013 10:10 AM

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If we have to dig deep it won't be to outbid the Ravens.

Word is that Newsome is not afraid to tell players to sign or walk.  He will be looking for a severe hometown discount from Reed who will have to choose to sign for less or end his career in another uniform.

Rumor is there are at least 4 teams that are interested in Reed's services including the Saints and the Pats.

Saint Tiger

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Posted: 2/14/2013 6:22 PM

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Saints should pass on Ed Reed.We need a true young talented safety,no more old guys! biggrin

LSU's Eric Reid could be the perfit safety for the Saints.....yes indeed....

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Posted: 2/14/2013 8:00 PM

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I agree that you need building blocks like Reid, but the difference is that signing Reed cost you cap money and you still have a high draft pick. 

Drafting Reid and you have one player.  Now he is a building block for the future, but he is also a player that may not be able to come in and start on Day one.  You will have to see how much he picks up.

Saint Tiger

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Posted: 2/17/2013 7:56 AM

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tigerterrace wrote: I agree that you need building blocks like Reid, but the difference is that signing Reed cost you cap money and you still have a high draft pick. 

Drafting Reid and you have one player.  Now he is a building block for the future, but he is also a player that may not be able to come in and start on Day one.  You will have to see how much he picks up.

Siants need an true safety for the future this year or the following year,Saints need to address this problem sooner than later.Darren Sharper played for us for one an a half years,Reed is also old,therefore he won't last that long either.However, i could see the Saints signing Reed and at the same time sign a quality safety in the 3rd round.If my memory serves me correctly,Saints have two 3rd's round picks,Reid could very well still falls to us in the 3rd round......biggrin

I do see your point tiger but do you still believe in Malcolm Jenkins or Harper as our safeties for this year or for the future ?

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Posted: 2/17/2013 8:06 AM

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Safety

1. Kenny Vaccaro, Texas
2. Matt Elam, Florida
3. Johnathan Cyprien, Florida International
4. Eric Reid, LSU
5. Zeke Motta, Notre Dame


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Posted: 2/17/2013 9:35 AM

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LSUFAN44 wrote:
Saints need an true safety for the future this year or the following year,Saints need to address this problem sooner than later.Darren Sharper played for us for one an a half years,Reed is also old,therefore he won't last that long either.However, i could see the Saints signing Reed and at the same time sign a quality safety in the 3rd round.If my memory serves me correctly,Saints have two 3rd's round picks,Reid could very well still falls to us in the 3rd round......biggrin

I do see your point tiger but do you still believe in Malcolm Jenkins or Harper as our safeties for this year or for the future ?

I agree that Ed Reed would be a one or two year stop gap measure and I do think that the Saints would eventually have to find a future safety, but you could say the same about any position.

The Saints need a future Left Tackle
The Saints need a future Defensive Tackle
The Saints need a Future Shutdown Corner.
The Saints need a Future OLB Edge Rusher.

The point on several of these things is that there are going to be players available all over the place and opportunities.  One of the reasons that you have free agency start on March 12th is so that you can identify a couple of key pieces and try to fit them into the puzzle.  If the Saints were able to make a quality offer to Reed then maybe he would be interested.  I think right now the questions is will he leave Baltimore and he may not want to.  If he chooses to leave will it be all about maximizing money or will it be comfort.  He is from the area and just returned for Mardi Gras.  He has family and friends in the area. 

Would that be enough to sway him to structure a deal friendly to the New Orleans cap situation?  If so then you buy another 2 year with him at Safety while being able to fill your need at another position for hopefully the next 4-5 years. 
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I don't think that LSU's Reid is still there in the third.  I still like the idea of trading down in the 1st if you can find a partner and picking up a late 2nd round pick.  I think that he might be there in the bottom of the 2nd round if things went well.

Under that senario you could have hit the jackpot grabing a DT at say pick #24 or 25 and then grabing Reid late in the second round to give you two key pieces of the puzzle.

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As far as Jenkins and Harper are concerned.  I will address each one individually, but let me add that one thing that we can never fully understand is what each player has been told to do within a defense and what that player has understood his role to be within that defense.  I use the example of Harper---Obviously in the Williams system Harper was expected and often brought down into the box.  Williams often had him close to the line, well just on the surface that isnt a normal position for the safety.  So we cannot always criticize Harper's ability to cover a TE like Vernon Davis in coverage from the trail position on the LOS.  Safeties need to be back and come up and make the plays not turning and running with guys in coverage.  Williams lived with it and died with it.  He died on that final drive in San Fran in the playoff game.

Jenkins is a guy that came into the league with combo skills.  Maybe could have been a corner, but most felt was better at safety.  So I do not believe that Jenkins who could have played some corner has gone down that much to where he could not play safety.  I think that Jenkins can and is still a serviceable player and can be for several more years. 

Is he going to Pro Bowls?  Probably not because he is not the ball hawking safety like Ed Reed and to go to Pro Bowls you need ints, but I will add that Jenkins need to be put into positions to make him successful.  This is one of the areas in which I think that we have overlooked the last couple of years is just how bad our linebackers were.  Especially in coverage and because of this we required our safeties to play more coverage and to play closer to the line to help with run support and pass routes in the 8-12 yard range.  Safeties should be in the 12-15 yard range unless they are in a zone coverage protecting a first down line or endzone.

So Jenkins give the right scheme can do the job.  Let him play safety the way the poisition was intended.

Harper has just gotten older.  He never possessed great speed and now father time is gaining on him being time.  Harper lacks the recovery time to see a play and make the adjustment to be able to break on a route or to get back in coverage on a deeper pass. 

If Harper was lined up in Zone coverage and you told Harper okay this is area.  So he sees Davis coming out he would be able to come up and make the tackle or break up the pass.

But if Harper was lined up in Man covering Davis.  Now he is lined up 12 yards off the ball at the safety position at the time the ball is snaped his first move is to come down a yard or two as Davis leaves the line.  Now if Davis goes out in the flat for a short pass Harper can come down and make the tackle, but if Davis gets Harper in coverage on a deeper route he is toast.

Saint Tiger

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Posted: 2/17/2013 2:42 PM

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The Saints need a future Left Tackle - (Agreed) Saints need a future Left and Right Tackle


The Saints need a future Defensive Tackle - Saints need an hugh nose tackle


The Saints need a Future Shutdown Corner. - (Agreed) i've given up on Robinson and Greer


The Saints need a Future OLB Edge Rusher. - (Agreed) However,Saints haven't pick a linebacker in the 1st rd in a long time,i don't see them picking one this draft either


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Posted: 2/17/2013 2:46 PM

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I think that Jenkins can and is still a serviceable player and can be for several more years. 

Saint tiger

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I certainly agree with you on this one....yes indeed....biggrin
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Posted: 2/17/2013 3:02 PM

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I like your assessments on Jenkins and Harper and i like that you're trying to fit them in the new 3- 4 system.However,do you think it will be much easier to just release/trade one or both of them ? Remember, Saints had the worst defense in the history of the NFL.Saints also gave up a whole lot of points last season.Saints gotta do something to upgrade the defense and at the same time lower the cap space.Keeping all the same players won't get it done.Saints gotta get fresh meat(new,talented and young players) to compete for the NFC -South.biggrin
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Posted: 2/17/2013 8:24 PM

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I wasn't saying that we should keep Harper.  I think he is a liability.  We should release Harper if we can.  I have seen conflicting reports on the cap hit. 

I believe the hit would only be $1 million.

Saint Tiger

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Posted: 2/18/2013 8:42 AM

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tigerterrace wrote: I wasn't saying that we should keep Harper.  I think he is a liability.  We should release Harper if we can.  I have seen conflicting reports on the cap hit. 

I believe the hit would only be $1 million.

Oh ! biggrin

Actually,i'd like for the Saints to trade Harper or Jenkins....

Thanks tiger for all the information you have posted for us.
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