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Posted: 1/24/2013 7:50 PM

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Saints fire defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo, will transition to a 3-4 defense

By Brian McIntyre | Shutdown Corner – 1 hour 34 minutes ago


New Orleans Saints
    head coach Sean Payton was reinstated by the National Football League from his season-long suspension earlier this week and is wasting very little time addressing a defense that allowed 7,042 yards of total offense in 2012, setting a new NFL single-season record.

On Wednesday, Payton suggested that the upcoming meetings with his staff would be "painful". On Thursday, Payton's third day back on the job, the Saints announced that defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo and secondary coach Ken Flajole had been relieved of their duties and that the team would be moving from a 4-3 defense to a 3-4 defense in 2013.


http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/...19293--nfl.html

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Posted: 1/24/2013 8:08 PM

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This actually makes sense and we are not as bad off as you would think if you read the whole article.

This should mean the end of Smith and Ellis. 

3-4 alignment

                                        Hicks   Bunkley  Jordan
                    
                               Galette      Lofton      Vilma      Wilson
 
                  Robinson                                                             Greer

                                                Jenkins      Harper

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Posted: 1/24/2013 8:10 PM

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I would actually like to transition away from Harper also.  Although I could have seen him as the OLB in the 4-3 system.

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Posted: 1/24/2013 9:57 PM

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I thought the outside linebackers in the 3-4 system were big.
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Posted: 1/24/2013 9:58 PM

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I wonder who will come in and be the D.C.
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Posted: 1/24/2013 10:10 PM

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The articles say that most people that run the 3-4 prefer the smaller speedier rush ends.

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Posted: 1/24/2013 10:38 PM

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OK.  Thanks for the info Tiger.  I was trying to think back to our Dome patrol.  It seems like those guys were pretty big.  I'm sure the game has changed over the years.
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Posted: 1/25/2013 4:39 AM

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tigerterrace wrote: I would actually like to transition away from Harper also.  Although I could have seen him as the OLB in the 4-3 system.

I want us to keep Roman frown

He could play the Will excited He's quick rushing the passer. Let him get around the edge and threaten the QB. He also proved that he can lay some hits. On run plays he needs some help to occupy those big tackles though maybe.


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Posted: 1/25/2013 5:05 AM

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I think Harper is decent enough if he has the right players around him and isn't asked to do what he's incapable of. I like the 3-4. It hinges on three large players on the line to take up blocks, and four fast lb's that can rush the passer, take on runners, or drop back into coverage. You need three really strong lineman who can at least hold their positions, but even better to push back the o. line. Harper's too small as an lb; you want AT THE VERY LEAST 230 pounders who don't get worn down by a constant running attack. Martez Wilson and Lofton are perfect for this.

With a transistion to 3-4, the Saints can no longer fill the LB ranks with street free agents. LB's are the heart and soul of that defense. I mean, Wayne Martin was good, but people REALLY remember Jackson, Johnson, Mills, and Swilling more.
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Posted: 1/25/2013 7:28 AM

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Glad to hear that coach Payton didn't waste any time giving Spags the boot...when you come in and are expected to revamp and improve on a defense and you end up being the worst in NFL history...I don't see how you'd expect to keep a job...

I like the 3-4 defense...most 3-4 defenses in the NFL today are some of the top defenses...and when we had the Dome Patrol...we were a 3-4 defense...I like your lineup TIGER....makes alot of sense...Vilma may not like the role...only because he didn't like the role when he was with the Jets...but he'll have to live with it....so long Smith and Ellis....

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Posted: 1/25/2013 7:52 AM

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OK.  I did some reading and learned of the 1gap and 2gap 3-4.  I wonder which one we run.  I suppose it depends on who we pick up. 

Romeo Crennel anyone?

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Posted: 1/25/2013 8:06 AM

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ROB RYAN

He knows all about a 3-4 and Jerry Jones can look down to New Orleans and see the team he should have had if he wasn't such a turd.
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Posted: 1/25/2013 8:14 AM

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jpcedotal wrote: ROB RYAN

He knows all about a 3-4 and Jerry Jones can look down to New Orleans and see the team he should have had if he wasn't such a turd.

He's with St Louis.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/...t-louis-rams-dc

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Posted: 1/25/2013 9:12 AM

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yeah...wrote that before I checked the headlines this morning...my bad
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Posted: 1/25/2013 10:11 AM

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Vilma could be let go also because of his high salary.  You could see Casillas in that other ILB position.

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Posted: 1/25/2013 10:30 AM

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tigerterrace wrote: Vilma could be let go also because of his high salary.  You could see Casillas in that other ILB position.


I agree.
Vilma was not a fit for the 3-4 with the Jets when he was in his prime so they let him go.
He's far from his prime now and is a high dollar player.
I believe he'll be released.

I would look for the Saints to target 3-4 LB help in the draft.
Fast, undersized college DE's who can rush the qb to convert to OLB's and a thumper in the middle.
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Posted: 1/25/2013 3:20 PM

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Shefter tweet.

January 25, 2013Two defensive coaching candidates the Saints will consider adding to staff include Eric Mangini and Romeo Crennel, per league sources. It’s even possible the two could go together to New Orleans with one serving as defensive coordinator, sources said. When reached Friday about this possibility, Mangini said he has not been contacted by anybody from the Saints about any position. Mangini and Crennel worked on the same Patriots coaching staff that won three Super Bowls in New England. Saints have told people they plan to proceed with their defensive coordinator search slowly and there’s no rush to fill the position.
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Posted: 1/25/2013 3:50 PM

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I know some people think he's too old (born in '37 or so), but would they even condider dragging Richie Petitbon out of retirement? He's from N.O. and his Redskin defenses were hell on wheels.
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Posted: 1/25/2013 5:16 PM

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There was an article that mentioned 5 lead options right now.

Mangini, Crennel, Winston Moss (Green Bay LB coach), Ken Norton Jr (Seahawks LB coach) and Ed Donatell (SF Secondary Coach)

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Posted: 1/25/2013 5:48 PM

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tigerterrace wrote: There was an article that mentioned 5 lead options right now.

Mangini, Crennel, Winston Moss (Green Bay LB coach), Ken Norton Jr (Seahawks LB coach) and Ed Donatell (SF Secondary Coach)

Crennel and Mangini have been popping up quite a bit on the media radar today....Mike Detillier is head and heels in love with Keith Butler...LB coach with the Steelers...

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