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GM Marty Hurney takes the blame, but he hates losing, too
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Posted: 10/10/2012 4:29 AM
GM Marty Hurney takes the blame, but he hates losing, too
Hurney has been Carolina’s general manager since 2002. He knows what a losing team will do to a region. “I’m the one that’s responsible for the product on the field,” he says. “When your record is 1-4, and you haven’t won since 2008, it grates at you every day.” Your philosophy is to extend the contracts of draft choices that perform for you and disdain expensive free agents. Yet you’ve had three winning seasons since 2002 (11-5 in 2003 and ’05 and 12-4 in ‘08). Do you question that philosophy?
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Posted: 10/10/2012 9:53 AM
Re: GM Marty Hurney takes the blame, but he hates losing, too
I've said it many times - Hurney is the root cause of our problems. Until he goes and we have a new management philosophy we will continue to be a bottom feeder in the NFL.
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Posted: 10/10/2012 10:42 AM
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I agree with avoiding high priced free agents. But Free Agency is also there to upgrade the team. We are so hit and miss with the draft that if we don't get a good player then that position is weak. Hurney's routinely ignored quality FA DT's that could have really helped us. If we want to address our weaknesses next offseason then we need to sign some FA's.
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Posted: 10/10/2012 11:00 AM
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I had a discussion with my boss yesterday... my question was What has to happen to change things (better/worse) here in Carolina? His Response: It's Time to get rid of Marty Hurney... couple bulleted items from our discussion - We changed QBs, We have changed Coaches, and are still getting the same product on the fields to it is time to change GM...
- looking around the league Carolina doesn't have the personnel to compete on a consistently high level...Too Many "Developmental" Players not enough sure fire NFL players.
- Hurney came in 2002 we were in the SB that same year with a team that was built by someone else.
- Hurney is an Excellent numbers guy but when it comes to NFL Talent he seems average at best. He hits where its easy to hit (1st rounders) and comes up short when its time to show GM skills (3rd-7th)
- We need to move away from the Number crunching business men GMs and move to more of the personnel guys like Ozzie Newsome, Rick Smith, Ted Thompson etc..
Misc notes - 2004 was the last year we picked up a NON-LB Defensive Player in the 1st round.(Chris Gamble) We need to invest some HIGH picks in DL and Secondary VERY SOON
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Posted: 10/10/2012 6:38 PM
Re: GM Marty Hurney takes the blame, but he hates losing, too
It is mainly true that all good teams in general whatever the sport, have great general managers at the lead. Hurney may very well be the issue here. Something needs to change in a hurry. I don't think it's Rivera honestly, not pointing fingers but a lot of issues are on the offensive side of the ball so far and some on defense as well but not as much IMO. I don't know just yet, maybe we are lagging behind talent wise across the board. Great topic.
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Posted: 10/10/2012 6:44 PM
RE: GM Marty Hurney takes the blame, but he hates losing, too
I think it's Rivera, not Hurney. We have the talent we need to be good, we have a weak mental mindset and weak coaching leading the charge.
"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. "
Galileo
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Posted: 10/10/2012 7:13 PM
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Hurney has been GM to a SB, but little else...a couple of Conference Championships, but like the years of Siefert, we have seen little co-ordination within the squads and surely within the poiont at which Hurney's job "ends." On the field at practice, and seasonal play...and in the lockers and meeting rooms. Coaching is what makes a winner folks, the GM might have some responsibility with the players, but IMHO the coach says to a GM or owner...they stink, I want them gone, and you get it done..trade, release, replacement...but they disappear from starter slots. THIS I put in the HC lap, and JOAT has got it solid center!
Let's talk about Hurney EOS...I'll carry the banner to fire him!
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Posted: 10/10/2012 9:25 PM
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Yea we have some talent but Talent doesn't always make a great Football player Some guys Need on the field teachers & most of these young players just aren't getting it Remember 2003 When Steve Smith was just starting to be a good what older vet helped him When Sherrod Martin was a Rookie he wasn't supposed to be a starting Safety he was supposed to be a CB but Because of injury to Chris Harris & Martins experience at Safety in College Fox tried him there & he had 2 Picks in his 1st Start So what did Hurney do Trade chris harris & left us way to you at the Safety spot we still are have trouble with & NO Fox didn't like or agree witht he trade of Harris
Hurney Is a Control Freak & hand Picked a HC & staff that would listen without Questioning him & yea I believe Hurney Tells Rivera who will start & who plays & who don't
Much like Drafting Armanti Edwards we all know it was John Fox's idea but Hurney done it anyway & we still are stuck with that loser
I wanted Rivera as our HC & when Sean McDermott became available i wanted him as our DC but it appears i was wrong because all Hurney got was a YES Sir I do what you say Sir Much like Wade Phillips was in Dallas to Jerry Jones SO lets just get rid of Hurney & everyone down  & we all will be happy 
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Posted: 10/11/2012 10:40 AM
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Interesting point kepickle...that interview JR and Hurney had with him must have gone.."we ain't looking for people with spunk...WE HATE SPUNK!" (Mary Tyler Moore) I thought his background aid to most of us, Chicago/DEFENSE, along with his general demeanor...this guy is not going to pussy foot...we were wrong.
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Posted: 10/11/2012 10:56 AM
RE: GM Marty Hurney takes the blame, but he hates losing, too
It's a team game so let's keep the criticism on...the entire team.
Hurney has failed numerous times and it's affecting us now.
Rivera is simply not adjusting at all...no good
The players are under performing, period.
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Posted: 10/11/2012 12:54 PM
Re: GM Marty Hurney takes the blame, but he hates losing, too
You can typically get to the root cause of any issue by asking "why" 5 times. Let's see how this plays out:
1. Why is the team not winning this year?
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Posted: 10/11/2012 4:00 PM
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52Beast wrote: You can typically get to the root cause of any issue by asking "why" 5 times. Let's see how this plays out:
1. Why is the team not winning this year? Because we are not score more points then the other teams... 2. Why are we not scoring more points then the opposing teams?
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Posted: 10/11/2012 4:05 PM
RE: GM Marty Hurney takes the blame, but he hates losing, too
PantherDan24 wrote: It's a team game so let's keep the criticism on...the entire team.
Hurney has failed numerous times and it's affecting us now.
Rivera is simply not adjusting at all...no good
The players are under performing, period. Well you forgot to nail the FO Danno m' boy!  |
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Posted: 10/11/2012 4:21 PM
Re: GM Marty Hurney takes the blame, but he hates losing, too
Eric Shelton
Kerry Colbert
Dwayne Jarrett
Everett Brown
Bruce Nelson
Mike Seidman
Evan Mathis
Richard Marshall
Corvey Irvin
These are 2nd 3rd round picks since Hurney took over in 2002....he even traded a 1st pick for Everette Brown...
Does anyone really believe this man can evaluate NFL talent...
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Posted: 10/11/2012 4:35 PM
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52Beast wrote: You can typically get to the root cause of any issue by asking "why" 5 times. Let's see how this plays out:
1. Why is the team not winning this year? alright I'll try 1. Hurney fails on Draft day to draft starters or even good backups & sometimes trade future picks for guys who don't produce at all ^ shouldn't even been drafted that high 2.when Daft picks fail you find Quality FA to fill needs & no those quality FA aren't guys that fail to make other teams practice squad or undrafted Rookie FAs 3.overpaid to resign our own future FA which in turn ties up Cap space which limits us in the FA market & in turn force us to try & start guys who wasn't ready to become starters yet 4.Failed at Hiring the proper HC,DC,STC & for this team 5.too many losing season under his watch |
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Posted: 10/11/2012 4:37 PM
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bartman42 wrote: Eric Shelton
Kerry Colbert
Dwayne Jarrett
Everett Brown
Bruce Nelson
Mike Seidman
Evan Mathis
Richard Marshall
Corvey Irvin
These are 2nd 3rd round picks since Hurney took over in 2002....he even traded a 1st pick for Everette Brown...
Does anyone really believe this man can evaluate NFL talent... don't forget Armanti Edwards |
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Posted: 10/11/2012 6:08 PM
RE: GM Marty Hurney takes the blame, but he hates losing, too
I think it is both which not surprising given that Hurney was intimately involved in the hiring of Rivera. This franchise has been and will continue to be a mess until "the house is thoroughly cleaned" by someone with the power and background to do so.
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Posted: 10/11/2012 6:14 PM
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Jackofalltrades1977 wrote: I think it's Rivera, not Hurney. We have the talent we need to be good, we have a weak mental mindset and weak coaching leading the charge. I think it is both which not surprising given that Hurney was intimately involved in the hiring of Rivera. This franchise has been and will continue to be a mess until "the house is thoroughly cleaned" by someone with the power and background to do so. Underappreciated Songs: At the Chime of a City Clock - Nick Drake, Have You Forgotten - Red House Painters, Air Show Disaster - Damien Jurado, and It Could Have Been a Brilliant Career - Belle & Sebastian. |
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Posted: 10/11/2012 6:19 PM
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One thing i believe a lot of folks fail to notice is, talent on a team isn't just about the starting lineup. If you look at teams like the Giants, Patriots and Packers, what helps keep them at the top is the fact that they have quality depth. We do have a talented enough starting group to win. However, if someone needs a rest or anyone gets injured, it's all over. That is what you gain when you draft well in later rounds. You get quality depth and you get those surprise players here and there that end up being superstars. To me, it should have been an easy decision long ago to cut ties with Hurney. I don't know why Jerry continues to keep him around unless he is just a "yes man". He has killed this team's hopes for too many years. How can your philosophy be to build through the draft, yet you continue to watch your GM fail miserably on draft day?  There are too many talented football evaluators out there that could do a great job as a GM for us to keep a money man in that position. Hurney is a great person, but that doesn't make him even a good GM. |
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Posted: 10/11/2012 7:04 PM
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We, too, have been there unctarheel...take when we had guys like Goings, Proehl, and can you believe it...Gamble! All stable mates as ready for play, but not guarenteed starters.
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