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What Happened With Jake?

Posted: 10/30/2009 12:45 PM

What Happened With Jake? 


    What Contributed to Jake's Downward Spiral?

  1. Poll closed on 11/24/2009
  2. Rip Sherer, QB Coach: 3 votes
  3. Jake's Arm/Elbow: 8 votes
  4. Playcalling: 5 votes
  5. Jake's Mental Stability: 12 votes
  6. Fans: 0 votes
  7. O-Line: 1 vote
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Posted: 10/30/2009 12:52 PM

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There need to be more options.....

Combinations - primarily his stability and elbow, a big fat undeserved contract extension, the fact he has way overdrawn from the bank of luck, and the reality that he has been innaccurate all his career.

Still - choices given - mental is the leader
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Posted: 10/30/2009 2:16 PM

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You forgot lack of god given ability.


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Posted: 10/30/2009 2:20 PM

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Actually there is probably a % of truth in all the examples. The fact is, his whole approach seems to be in everyone's hands but his own, and now he's got to either put up or leave the front lines for battle fatigue. Does anyone think that not calling more than one or two passing series in a quarter sends a positive mental message to jakedelhomme or the enemy? Second, can you imagine what it must be like for him to have to face the same media pundits/ armchair QB's, or the coaches at Monday's meeting and say the same ol' yada-yada "What can I say's"? Pro or not, that crunches the psyche' in my book. The team is behind him, slightly altered from the level before, but still gonna be trying to help him, and if they pull out all the stops on jakedelhomme, we'll all know for sure WTH has been going on in the head of this man.

One final thought..he falls on his keester again, and we all know he fooled the best of them and got his money!

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Posted: 10/30/2009 6:26 PM

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i picked playcalling because there isn't a better choice & if you where the OC & your HC wouldn't let you play another QB or even bring in a better QB  WHY would you put the game in the QB you don't like hands more ??confused

  GO Vols

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Posted: 10/31/2009 5:21 AM

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Gents, why are we all forgetting that Jake has been an inaccurate QB his entire career - barring maybe 2003 and 2005. The Panthers have been the Cardiac Cats ever since Jake became the starter - and I do acknowledge Fox's vanilla defense and offense with leads. But Jake has done his part in keeping games closer than they need to be. Unfortunately, the defense is not as good as it's been in the past. So, we haven't had that to fall back on to cover Jake's mistakes.

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Posted: 10/31/2009 11:07 AM

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A lot of opinions are being thrown around as facts when in fact they are not accurate. Take the cliche " Jake has been inaccurate his entire career." That is simply not true according to the numbers. His career average is 59.7% and this year is 59.9%. In fact all of his stats this year are in line with his carrer stats...except Ints vs TDs. I think it might be more helpful as to why that might be than continuing down the road we have traveled this year.
It is I think fair to say he is at times inconsistent.
For a little perspective I thought I'd compare his career with one that retired not long ago and is in the HOF. Not saying Jake is as good a QB, just saying that QBs do go through slumps and that maybe Jake will ride this one out. Besides as already pointed out we don't have much behind him and until we are mathematically elimainated, Jake should probably start. The next three games; 'Zona, NO, and Atlanta will tell that tale.
But anyway back to the QB comparison over their careers
Jake Delhomme Comp pct avg TD Int Rate

Jake Delhomme 59.7% 7.3 119 89 83.2

Mystery QB 56.9% 7.1 300 226 79.9

This QB averaged 19 TDs and 14 Ints a season, pretty much Jake Delhomme like. Yet he was the 1st pick chosen. All I'm saying is would we have a different perspective if Jake was a 1st rd draft instead of an UDFA. Could we then open our minds up to the possibility that having a new QB coach might share some fault in this, or that the WRs too. Or perhaps the playcalling needs to be examined. Certainlly Jake bares most of it.
Oh the QB who career stats are very Jake like is someone that most will say is a alltime top ten QB...John Elway!
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Posted: 10/31/2009 11:44 AM

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While many factors likely impact on the increased interceptions, I suspect the primary factor is the elbow surgery. Another factor not listed is that Steve Smith simply can not get "open" and make plays that he consistently made in the past. Time catches up to all athletes and those that have inordinate talent often have the most precipitous drop off in production. Steve managed to overcome the obstacle of limited size with quickness and tenacity. Unfortunately, as the quickness fades it becomes increasingly hard to overcome the limited size and production begins to fall. As his production has fallen so to has his tenacity and determination.

 

The Panthers have simply never developed a quality secondary option and this further exacerbates the fallout from Smith's drop-off in production.

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Posted: 10/31/2009 2:37 PM

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A question I have is Jake done as an NFL QB? Several QBs have revived their careers on another team as a stop gap starter or backup. Kurt Warner, Chad Pennington, Daunte Culpepper, or even David Carr just to name a few. None of those guys are or will rip the league up but they are capping of their careers honorably. I like Jake and even though he's all but finished here I would love to see him go out with a little dignity somewhere else.

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Posted: 10/31/2009 6:17 PM

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This could possibly hold water if the QB coach was with the team at the end of last year.  He wasn't, so in my opinion, he holds none of the blame.

rwoodrin wrote:

Could we then open our minds up to the possibility that having a new QB coach might share some fault in this, or that the WRs too.
Oh the QB who career stats are very Jake like is someone that most will say is a alltime top ten QB...John Elway!

I've always thought Elway was overrated.  Bad opinion of him started when he bitched out in the draft like a little bitch.  Same with baby Manning.

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Posted: 10/31/2009 11:37 PM

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JB what is it that a QB coach does? I assume that he is supposed to improve the position. You're right he assumes none of the blame for last year.
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Posted: 11/1/2009 12:18 AM

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JB everyone up till the superbowl run was calling that baby manning a bust,then he was a hero, now who knows. Giants fans cant ever make up their mind. Its like my brother in game stop going back and forth between games. as for jake there is a lot of factors, Age, TJS, lack of WR depth, lack of more receivers named Steve Smith (told you guys we should have drafted him 2). John Fox, the O-line,  Next week it will be rewarding the saints for letting him be the back up for years.

sigs and avatars suspended till we make it back to .500 atleast or i lose the bet with the 9ers fans (which looks likely)

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Posted: 11/1/2009 5:41 AM

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rwoodrin wrote: A lot of opinions are being thrown around as facts when in fact they are not accurate. Take the cliche " Jake has been inaccurate his entire career." That is simply not true according to the numbers. His career average is 59.7% and this year is 59.9%. In fact all of his stats this year are in line with his carrer stats...except Ints vs TDs. I think it might be more helpful as to why that might be than continuing down the road we have traveled this year.
It is I think fair to say he is at times inconsistent.
For a little perspective I thought I'd compare his career with one that retired not long ago and is in the HOF. Not saying Jake is as good a QB, just saying that QBs do go through slumps and that maybe Jake will ride this one out. Besides as already pointed out we don't have much behind him and until we are mathematically elimainated, Jake should probably start. The next three games; 'Zona, NO, and Atlanta will tell that tale.
But anyway back to the QB comparison over their careers
Jake Delhomme Comp pct avg TD Int Rate

Jake Delhomme 59.7% 7.3 119 89 83.2

Mystery QB 56.9% 7.1 300 226 79.9

This QB averaged 19 TDs and 14 Ints a season, pretty much Jake Delhomme like. Yet he was the 1st pick chosen. All I'm saying is would we have a different perspective if Jake was a 1st rd draft instead of an UDFA. Could we then open our minds up to the possibility that having a new QB coach might share some fault in this, or that the WRs too. Or perhaps the playcalling needs to be examined. Certainlly Jake bares most of it.
Oh the QB who career stats are very Jake like is someone that most will say is a alltime top ten QB...John Elway!


I hear what you're saying, but I have to disagree. The stats only show the completion average, not his accuracy. I've watched him throw dozens of completions, this year alone, that were either behind the receiver or too high where they had to leave their feet to catch the ball. Very rarely see him throw an easily catchable ball that hits the receiver in stride. I'm actually surprised and take note when he does. And that's been going on a lot longer than this year.

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Posted: 11/1/2009 2:03 PM

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SCP I comparing Jake's comp % this year to his career and it is on par. You're stating your opinion which could be accurate but it is subjective. If we are having a constructive conversation then we need benchmarks. Then we can disagree about what those markers mean. Otherwise we are having a shouting match.
Could it be that Jake is throwing to a spot on the field and the recievers are not where they are supposed to be? Some of those Ints were on timing routes. And some are clearly on Jake.
I don't think of Jake as a timing type of QB.I don't think it is one thing. Or one person. But it does come down to Fox and then Jake. It could be Jake is not suited to run the plays that are being called. In that case either change playcalling or QBs.
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