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Assessment of the OL 3 weeks in...

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Posted: 9/24/2013 2:21 PM

Assessment of the OL 3 weeks in... 


I don't have enough time to do this, but can anyone who actually recorded the games give me a breakdown assessment of each OL player who has played for the Panthers this season so far??

I know Kalil and Gross are pretty much the savvy vets who get the job done. But has anyone seen glaring weaknesses in either of their games so far this year?

How about Byron Bell? Has he been sufficient, surprisingly good, or piss poor?

Silatolu? I know people kept telling me to be patient with him last season and that he would eventually be a good starting OG. Can anyone confirm that he has played well lately?

Who else has been a gem and who probably needs to be benched?

What does our OL look like going into next season based on the play so far? Which positions do we need to address the most?

Thank you in advance!

Falcons fan: What worries me? That one day Cam will grow up and become a leader of men, focus on others instead of himself, and show courage.

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Posted: 9/24/2013 2:28 PM

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a lot of pressure on Cam seems to be coming from Bells side. Silatolu has had some good run blocks.
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Posted: 9/24/2013 3:08 PM

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a lot of pressure on Cam seems to be coming from Bells side. Silatolu has had some good run blocks.

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Yep. I know in Week 2, Bell ranked 66th out of 69 eligible tackles.... Not good..... I have no idea how he did in weeks 1 / 3....

 

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Posted: 9/24/2013 3:15 PM

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Bell earned one of the highest grades of the entire team vs the Giants. He struggles against outside speed guys, he's pretty solid outside of that.

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Posted: 9/24/2013 5:04 PM

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Run blocking looks above average,2nd in the NFL in rushing at the moment.Pass protection seems to be an issue at times,especially at RT.

Don't know if anyone noticed but I saw Nate Chandler in on a few snaps Sunday.
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Posted: 9/24/2013 7:10 PM

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Chandler got some garbage time reps vs Jersey.

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Posted: 9/24/2013 9:56 PM

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Jackofalltrades1977 wrote: Bell earned one of the highest grades of the entire team vs the Giants. He struggles against outside speed guys, he's pretty solid outside of that.
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Posted: 9/25/2013 1:30 AM

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The problem with Bell is that he gets lazy with his kick slide a few times a game.  He's a massive tackle but a very ordinary athlete.  His hands are good and you can see the power in his punch and grip but those lazy times have cost us dearly.  

He hasn't hit his ceiling but we have to keep coaching him up because he's not where he needs to be yet.
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Posted: 9/25/2013 6:45 AM

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In your opinion, is he worth it? Or should we upgrade ASAP?

I think he's worth it and Gross will be replaced first. I don't know how Gross would be on the right, but I can see a scenario where we draft a LT, kick Gross either to the right...or to the curb.

Kalil is back to form.

OG's have played well from what I've seen. Scott at RG has bred a true gem, Amini is looking good but needs to work on setting his feet and anchoring vs the pass rush.

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Posted: 9/25/2013 6:52 AM

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www.reddit.com/r/panthers/comm...rated_guard_in/

QUOTE: He's also 4th in run blocking and he's played 1 fewer game than everyone else in the top 10. Pretty impressive, seems like he's really coming along.
Also, Gross is the 8th highest graded tackle and Kalil is their 4th highest rated center. The left side of our line is looking like one of the best in the league right now. Sadly Byron Bell is the 43rd rated tackle (better than last year though) and Chris Scott, who's started about 85% of our snaps at RG, is the 5th worst guard right now...maybe it's time to start Byers and/or Wharton on the right side? They can't be worse.

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Posted: 9/25/2013 7:35 AM

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I would have thought Wharton would be starting by now.... maybe been waiting for the bye week
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Posted: 9/25/2013 9:07 AM

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Would Wharton hold up at RT?

So if Scott is playing well at RG, does that mean Kugliba is going to be a career bench guy?

I had high hopes that at some point in the near future we would see a top LT drafted and the line would look like: LT/Amini/Kalil/Kugliba/Bell. And in my hopeful scenario, we'd have one of the youngest, and most talented OL's in the NFL. I'm guessing I need to lay off the pipe, right?

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Posted: 9/25/2013 9:08 AM

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Kugbilla is on IR, no clue what his future holds.

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Posted: 9/25/2013 10:27 AM

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Jackofalltrades1977 wrote: Kugbilla is on IR, no clue what his future holds.

Gotcha. For some reason I remember people here being excited about him when he was drafted. Maybe I'm thinking of someone else though. My memory is so bad.

As long as we don't see many games like Buffalo where the OL simply couldn't protect Cam, I think the offense will be fine. Seattle's defense worked more because of the secondary than the DL. They didn't get much pressure all day, but they didn't need to because none of our WR's could get open against that tough secondary. Seattle is a VERY good team who will likely end up in the NFC championship game, and we came within arm's reach of beating them.

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Posted: 9/25/2013 12:01 PM

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I'm excited about him because he's huge, strong as an Ox and has really good feet.

Once he gets healthy we'll be able to see if he can make the transition from Valdosta St to the NFL.

He has the physical gifts, that's for sure.

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Posted: 9/25/2013 12:29 PM

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Stiffler715 wrote: Would Wharton hold up at RT?

So if Scott is playing well at RG, does that mean Kugliba is going to be a career bench guy?

I had high hopes that at some point in the near future we would see a top LT drafted and the line would look like: LT/Amini/Kalil/Kugliba/Bell. And in my hopeful scenario, we'd have one of the youngest, and most talented OL's in the NFL. I'm guessing I need to lay off the pipe, right?

I do not think so, and I have to think it was more of covering their arses if we got weak or injured. I would love to see what the new leaner Wharton could do, but too much at stake I assume1
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Posted: 9/25/2013 3:29 PM

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Jackofalltrades1977 wrote: In your opinion, is he worth it? Or should we upgrade ASAP?

I think he's worth it and Gross will be replaced first. I don't know how Gross would be on the right, but I can see a scenario where we draft a LT, kick Gross either to the right...or to the curb.

Kalil is back to form.

OG's have played well from what I've seen. Scott at RG has bred a true gem, Amini is looking good but needs to work on setting his feet and anchoring vs the pass rush.
Bell is on the wrong side of a trend.  He's built to face 90's defensive ends who were more complete but less athletic.  Unfortunately he's playing in 2013 where speed and athletic ability is making up for technique.  

What does Bell struggle with?  Speed and athletic ability. If you notice every defensive end he faces immediately gets up field and dips on passing downs.  (its a popular technique anyway but they REALLY use this rush against him)

I think he can improve marginally in his approach to speed ends and learn to get out quicker if he takes more efficient steps but he'll probably never have the feet to be elite.  

I have nothing against really big tackles if they have good feet.  IMO I think IF...Byron is truly 340 he could stand to come in a little lighter maybe next year.  

Is he worth it? I suppose...am I excited about his potential...Not really.

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