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so...what's the general consensus?

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Posted: 12/29/2012 1:43 PM

so...what's the general consensus? 


on Rivera?  was the debacle of the first 2/3's of the season his doing, or Hurney's?  As a GM, did Hurney have input as to who starts and doesn't?  The team has looked better the last few weeks, I think we would all agree.  Is that solely because of the crap level of competition? (excluding Atlanta of course)  

My thoughts on Rivera are mixed right now.  I think he needs to assert himself more during games, at times this year he looked like he was watching golf.  he's only had two years with arguably one of the worst rosters in the league.  I kind of think he deserves another year...

But, could a new coach bring enough spark top light some fire to this team?  If Andy Reid gets fired, could he come in and take Cam to the next level of QB play?  Would John or jay Gruden be a good fit?  My personal preference if we get a new coach would be John Gruden..

Thoughts?
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Posted: 12/29/2012 1:56 PM

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I want a new GM to give Rivera another year. We've now seen what we can do on O and on D, see if he can finally put it all together before blowing it all up. I would also like to see him be more assertive on the sideline, but not just by yelling and crap. I would like to see him straighten Chud out, tell him to stick with what works...you know, what lead us to the 7th ranked O with a rookie QB.

I don't want anything to do with Reid or Jon Gruden, I think both are overrated and I think Reid's priorities are so out of whack I don't want him as a leader.

If Rivera is gone I'd like to see Mike Zimmer as HC, SF OC as OC/Asst HC and McDermott retained as DC. I would like to get a real QB coach and a solid ST coach. I'd also do my damnedest to bring Jim Skipper back as RB coach, keep Eric Washington as DL coach, keep current Secondary coach.

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. "

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Posted: 12/29/2012 2:04 PM

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Jackofalltrades1977 wrote: I want a new GM to give Rivera another year. We've now seen what we can do on O and on D, see if he can finally put it all together before blowing it all up. I would also like to see him be more assertive on the sideline, but not just by yelling and crap. I would like to see him straighten Chud out, tell him to stick with what works...you know, what lead us to the 7th ranked O with a rookie QB.

I don't want anything to do with Reid or Jon Gruden, I think both are overrated and I think Reid's priorities are so out of whack I don't want him as a leader.

If Rivera is gone I'd like to see Mike Zimmer as HC, SF OC as OC/Asst HC and McDermott retained as DC. I would like to get a real QB coach and a solid ST coach. I'd also do my damnedest to bring Jim Skipper back as RB coach, keep Eric Washington as DL coach, keep current Secondary coach.

With all the "now they are getting it" headlines, I agree with JOAT...time to see if they DO get it, if Ron's "lessons learned" adjectives are for real. I have not been a Turner O/C fan, but I believe that Chud also could survive.
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Posted: 12/29/2012 3:48 PM

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I'm for keeping Rivera & Firing the OC Chud & hiring Nov Turner to be our OC him & Chud run a similar system & Norv is smart enough to win with what we got & knows how to run a balanced system

BUT IF WE MUST change HC's I want Mike McCoy he's smarter than some here think he is
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Posted: 12/29/2012 5:54 PM

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kepickle wrote: I'm for keeping Rivera & Firing the OC Chud & hiring Nov Turner to be our OC him & Chud run a similar system & Norv is smart enough to win with what we got & knows how to run a balanced system

BUT IF WE MUST change HC's I want Mike McCoy he's smarter than some here think he is

That is the one point it might be hard to dispute. I just seem to feel like the cylinders are just beginning to fire...might Turner not cause another mid-seasonal misfire? I do think a change is going to do less harm at this juncture, due to so many OL and even 1/3 of the starting backs possibly departing.
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Posted: 12/29/2012 8:00 PM

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Just think.... last year at this time, we were worried about Chud leaving to be a Head Coach, now some want to run him out of town this season.

I think we will see a change on the O-line this offseason. Kalil is by far the best lineman we have. Gross iis starting to show his age and has been known to have penalties at the worse times. Salil (however you spell his name) has played pretty good for a rookie. He could become someone to build around. I love Piggy, but he is better coming off the bench.

As for the RB's, I agree we have a ton of $$$ at that position. IF Chud stays, then I can see someone leaving. I really wish we could keep Dwill and Stewart, but I guess the $$ could be spent on other positions.
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Posted: 12/29/2012 10:43 PM

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RG is the only real priority on the OL.

I doubt DLo is here next season given the cap implications. It'll still be expensive to cut or trade him, but it has to be done. Roll with Stewart, Tolbert and one of the guys on the PS.

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. "

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Posted: 12/29/2012 11:12 PM

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Jackofalltrades1977 wrote: RG is the only real priority on the OL.

I doubt DLo is here next season given the cap implications. It'll still be expensive to cut or trade him, but it has to be done. Roll with Stewart, Tolbert and one of the guys on the PS.
I hate to agree with you, (I really like Dwill) but I think he will be gone.
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Posted: 12/30/2012 1:47 PM

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I would like to see Rivera get another year.  My big fear is that just like San Diego every year we are going to start slow and then play well down the stretch.  I hope he can avoid that in the future.
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Posted: 12/30/2012 3:10 PM

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I think all of the coaches have earned one more shot. If we add a little bit more talent here and there we should be competitive next year.

Last edited 12/30/2012 3:10 PM by OneBadassCat

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Posted: 12/30/2012 5:57 PM

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The guy finised 6-3. He gets another year. It's not like we were getting blown out in our first 6 losses. We could have very easily been 12-4 or 11-5.

We just need to add some more pieces and come back next year.
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Posted: 12/30/2012 6:15 PM

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It seems to me that this year was a replay of last year and the hope and optimism now expressed by a lot of people is a repeat of what people thought last year. For the life of me, I have not and do not see anything really different from last year that makes me think that next year will be anything different from this year.

I feel like that the Panthers are the new Chargers where they do just enough to fool most people into thinking that next year will be different. But it never is.

I just want a good GM that will make up his own mind on a HC and will not be fooled by winning meaningless games against losers (except Atlanta) at the end of the season.
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Posted: 12/30/2012 6:52 PM

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I agree Rivera should get one more year. Probally needs to let Chud walk to many trick plays. Keep the read option in the playbook and bring Norv as new OC.  But we will see what options are coming down the pipe but i think Ron needs one more year.
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Posted: 12/30/2012 7:36 PM

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I still wouldn't bring Rivera back but I do know he will be back after finishing strong. He now has the case that he improved the team seeing has they finished with a better record than last year which at the time Hurney was fired, NO ONE would have bet that would happen.

I still overall don't think Rivera is the right HC for this team but he'll be brought back and I wish him well.

Last edited 12/30/2012 8:06 PM by Tino25Dynasty

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Posted: 12/30/2012 7:54 PM

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The game got too hairy in the 4th. This win may well have saved Rivera for another season. That bothers me, but I can live with it. Saying that we seemed like we did last season is not so far fetched. It was not a fun year until December!

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Posted: 12/30/2012 7:59 PM

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Lot of other young QB's making the playoffs Luck,Dalton,Wilson,Ponder,Kaepernick,RG III maybe if they win.

Don't know if this will weigh in the decision though.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 1:38 AM

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Dalton, Wilson, Kaepernick, and RGIII all had good coaches. The Colts where a playoff team every year until last year when they didn't have a good QB.

Ponder had the best RB in the league to lean on and an already good defense.

Carolina had to over-come more obstacles than those teams.

 




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Posted: 12/31/2012 4:10 AM

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There are a lot of uncertainties here.  However, there is one thing that I feel I know for sure.  We shouldn't go shopping around for GM's without letting them have a VERY LARGE say in who is coaching the football team if you're Firing GM's for losing.


With that said, its hard for me to imagine a GM looking at our roster and keeping the guys, Ron Rivera and Co., who got the last guy fired.  Tell me what big name free agents did we sign AFTER Hurney was fired.  What significant changes to the roster did we make, at all, AFTER Hurney was fired.  The answer to both those questions would suggest that we already had enough talent to win but that the coaches were bad.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 6:07 AM

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Realguyjeff wrote: There are a lot of uncertainties here.  However, there is one thing that I feel I know for sure.  We shouldn't go shopping around for GM's without letting them have a VERY LARGE say in who is coaching the football team if you're Firing GM's for losing.


With that said, its hard for me to imagine a GM looking at our roster and keeping the guys, Ron Rivera and Co., who got the last guy fired.  Tell me what big name free agents did we sign AFTER Hurney was fired.  What significant changes to the roster did we make, at all, AFTER Hurney was fired.  The answer to both those questions would suggest that we already had enough talent to win but that the coaches were bad.
NONE because in was in the middle of the season Hurney was Fired Because of his Failed Drafting & Salary Cap screwups 
Hurney was Fired because he didn't sign top FA's
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Posted: 12/31/2012 12:10 PM

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kepickle wrote:
Realguyjeff wrote: There are a lot of uncertainties here.  However, there is one thing that I feel I know for sure.  We shouldn't go shopping around for GM's without letting them have a VERY LARGE say in who is coaching the football team if you're Firing GM's for losing.


With that said, its hard for me to imagine a GM looking at our roster and keeping the guys, Ron Rivera and Co., who got the last guy fired.  Tell me what big name free agents did we sign AFTER Hurney was fired.  What significant changes to the roster did we make, at all, AFTER Hurney was fired.  The answer to both those questions would suggest that we already had enough talent to win but that the coaches were bad.
NONE because in was in the middle of the season Hurney was Fired Because of his Failed Drafting & Salary Cap screwups 
Hurney was Fired because he didn't sign top FA's
No Hurney was fired for losing, and there's two main reasons its apparent.

1.  If we were winning do you think Jerry would have fired him mid season

2.  Marty Hurney said the team’s owner asked him two questions.

How did the Panthers get to 1-5, and what were they going to do to get better?

“And honestly, I had a hard time answering that,” Hurney said.  
3.  Name 1 guy Jerry has fired during the season.


Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/10/23/361511 0/losing-environment-ends-marty.html#storylink=cpy
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