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Cam's Attitude's Back

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Posted: 12/23/2012 4:57 PM

Cam's Attitude's Back 


I first want to say that I now understand Cam's fervor for the game, and in the game, but I was feeling that he had begun to show a more mature and confident affect in the last 3-4 games...I saw the dark side come back a bit today.

I am not feeling that is bad at week 15, but if we were at week 10, or 11, this could be bothersome. It is not my purpose to get into his nature in general, but to address today's game specifically.

That kick is being called blatant, and somewhat self-defensive. Was he really punched, as some contend? I did not see that. However, I did see the seemingly late hit by Burress that took Cam into the dirt, and then seemed to be a bit hard, but when he got up, it was, to me, a clear statement of "why are you letting them get away like this?" with some adjectives added for effect. 

I'd love to know what you all think about the game today, on this issue, and then close with this thought. Cam was hitting everything and everyone he aimed at when he calmed down and focused. He lost it early in the 2nd and allowed it to agitate like a pimple. I hope he looses it for next week...we need to beat N.O. again, and he's the key! I sure take the win, great defense from some wonderful players.
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Posted: 12/23/2012 5:43 PM

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I dont mind Cam cam cussing out the refs, he wasnt saying anything that the fans wasnt.  The refs were horrible today, the holding call on smith that took away Dlo's TD,and all the BS personal foul calls against us,it seemed like every time we made a tackle I saw a yellow flag fly.

I can understand being professional and composed,but that is hard for anyone when the refs are blatantly letting the other team get away with everything.

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Posted: 12/23/2012 7:39 PM

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I would be getting pised to a guy drove me back 6 yards after i throw the ball and get driven into the ground.  With no flag i might add.  Didnt mind anythign Cam did today it was all warranted even when that line man was getting up and tried driving Cams knee into the ground.  You know its obvious when Beurlein calls it out.
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Posted: 12/23/2012 8:03 PM

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That official that threw the flag on Cam was blatantly being spiteful. He had the power to flag him and did it because he could. He got bumped and didn't want to look like a little bitch. That's what it looked like to me.  The officials literally gave the Raiders their points today. Not that we didn't get any calls today because we did but it was to our detriment for the most part.

The worst part about it was how obviously terrible these refs were. Every time they made a BS call, when they knew they screwed up they tried to make up for it with a random holding call or something else on the other team.

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Posted: 12/23/2012 8:33 PM

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HenningNoMore wrote:


I would be getting pised to a guy drove me back 6 yards after i throw the ball and get driven into the ground.  With no flag i might add.  Didnt mind anythign Cam did today it was all warranted even when that line man was getting up and tried driving Cams knee into the ground.  You know its obvious when Beurlein calls it out.
Not to mention when he's on the sideline he sees the other QB getting the call.  I think it was just the accumilation of the fact that it was the Raiders idea to ruff him up, which I have no problem with if its within the rules.  A few of those things weren't.
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Posted: 12/23/2012 8:37 PM

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The hold on Smith was a good call, but with the Raiders getting so much protection, Cam was getting ****. Tommy Kelly came out and said they were trying to knock Cam out, and I'm sure one or two said something on the field. Cam had every right to be upset and yell because the referees failed to do their job. That was a terribly inconsistent game with some totally garbage calls, mostly on the Panthers.

And the "kick" was Cam getting his foot off a guys shoulder so that he wasn't upside down. Come on now.

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Posted: 12/23/2012 8:38 PM

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Problem with all that folks, is this! It cost us yards and maybe even a TD! You can yell "UNFAIR" til you are red in the face, but many a game was lost by a single point...we should know!

I had no time for Beurlein's rantings, but he was right...you are the leader of the team...you compose yourself and bring it home next play...you do not start a pizzing contest with a guy in white and black stripes. You say you'd cuss an official out if you'd been pushed back after releasing the ball...this is why the game is becoming a social debating sport and not a down and dirty smack down...we are thinking "venting" instead of mind games...like laughing in the face of the a'hole who did it...which, btw is what Smith does to get them even madder at him, which usually leads to a more overt move that gets them penalized!

I did not post this solely on the penalty phase, but what happens when Cam gets miffed...he should get even, not penalized! Cam goes into a dark and self destructive area he does not need to go to.
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Posted: 12/23/2012 8:40 PM

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I guarantee if his helmet doesn't brush the ref no flag is thrown.
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Posted: 12/23/2012 8:46 PM

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gmonet wrote: Problem with all that folks, is this! It cost us yards and maybe even a TD! You can yell "UNFAIR" til you are red in the face, but many a game was lost by a single point...we should know!

I had no time for Beurlein's rantings, but he was right...you are the leader of the team...you compose yourself and bring it home next play...you do not start a pizzing contest with a guy in white and black stripes. You say you'd cuss an official out if you'd been pushed back after releasing the ball...this is why the game is becoming a social debating sport and not a down and dirty smack down...we are thinking "venting" instead of mind games...like laughing in the face of the a'hole who did it...which, btw is what Smith does to get them even madder at him, which usually leads to a more overt move that gets them penalized!

I did not post this solely on the penalty phase, but what happens when Cam gets miffed...he should get even, not penalized! Cam goes into a dark and self destructive area he does not need to go to.
If that's your only concern then why didn't you say anything about Kuechly's unnecessary roughness wink Its not just about costing yards now is it.
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Posted: 12/23/2012 8:47 PM

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some times a good guy has to get mean to stop a bad guy jut a fact beside Kelly is a prick & honestly needs his ass kicked
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Posted: 12/23/2012 9:50 PM

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He acted like a petulant child, but he had a case. The dude continued to drive him into the ground after the ball was gone. He had more than enough time to pull up. On the other side of the ball if Palmer was touched then the flags rained down.

Tommy Kelly also admitted that they were targeting Cam. Regardless, he's the leader of the team and he can't act like that.

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. "

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Posted: 12/23/2012 9:57 PM

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No problem from me......I loved it actually. Just because he is a QB he should let people speak/ and do things to him, and then act like nothing happened.
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Posted: 12/23/2012 10:00 PM

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If you want to get fired up like Delhomme did several years ago after taking that questionable late hit then fine, but don't bump the ref and then look like you're about the cry coming off the field.

Man, if we could take Jake's heart and leadership and put it in Cam he'd be unstoppable. That day Jake got hit, bounced up pounding his chest and ignited the team, changing the momentum and the course of the game. He didn't look like he was going to weep.

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. "

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Posted: 12/23/2012 10:50 PM

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Cam got upset when he got that call. He calmed down after a couple plays. He is the leader and I thought he had a reason to be upset, but to go after a ref is a BIG NoNo. I thought he composed himself after a couple of plays. He was lucky that nothing bad happened during the time he was mad.
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Posted: 12/24/2012 8:02 AM

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Jackofalltrades1977 wrote: If you want to get fired up like Delhomme did several years ago after taking that questionable late hit then fine, but don't bump the ref and then look like you're about the cry coming off the field.

Man, if we could take Jake's heart and leadership and put it in Cam he'd be unstoppable. That day Jake got hit, bounced up pounding his chest and ignited the team, changing the momentum and the course of the game. He didn't look like he was going to weep.
That was a moment few of us should forget, and a great point here JOAT!

As the Keuchly's penalty...I am not sure there even was one...but Cam's is irrefutable.

Again, I am just trying to point out that every penalty, and since the strike there have been a plethora of official flags thrown, eats at our ability to win...decisively. This jerk of a commish has fundamentally changed the sport to a point where we play games like we fight wars...ethically and with too many ground rules.
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Posted: 12/24/2012 1:34 PM

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gmonet wrote:
Jackofalltrades1977 wrote: If you want to get fired up like Delhomme did several years ago after taking that questionable late hit then fine, but don't bump the ref and then look like you're about the cry coming off the field.

Man, if we could take Jake's heart and leadership and put it in Cam he'd be unstoppable. That day Jake got hit, bounced up pounding his chest and ignited the team, changing the momentum and the course of the game. He didn't look like he was going to weep.
That was a moment few of us should forget, and a great point here JOAT!

As the Keuchly's penalty...I am not sure there even was one...but Cam's is irrefutable.

Again, I am just trying to point out that every penalty, and since the strike there have been a plethora of official flags thrown, eats at our ability to win...decisively. This jerk of a commish has fundamentally changed the sport to a point where we play games like we fight wars...ethically and with too many ground rules.
That's my point.  Its not an indictment on Kuechly or any of the players.  I'm just making the point that there was a lot of bull going on in that game, so I wouldn't have been surprised if any of the players lost their cool.  You can't touch the refs though.  If that rule wasn't in place the hospital would need to build a new wing.
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Posted: 12/24/2012 1:52 PM

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Realguyjeff wrote:
gmonet wrote:
Jackofalltrades1977 wrote: If you want to get fired up like Delhomme did several years ago after taking that questionable late hit then fine, but don't bump the ref and then look like you're about the cry coming off the field.

Man, if we could take Jake's heart and leadership and put it in Cam he'd be unstoppable. That day Jake got hit, bounced up pounding his chest and ignited the team, changing the momentum and the course of the game. He didn't look like he was going to weep.
That was a moment few of us should forget, and a great point here JOAT!

As the Keuchly's penalty...I am not sure there even was one...but Cam's is irrefutable.

Again, I am just trying to point out that every penalty, and since the strike there have been a plethora of official flags thrown, eats at our ability to win...decisively. This jerk of a commish has fundamentally changed the sport to a point where we play games like we fight wars...ethically and with too many ground rules.
That's my point.  Its not an indictment on Kuechly or any of the players.  I'm just making the point that there was a lot of bull going on in that game, so I wouldn't have been surprised if any of the players lost their cool.  You can't touch the refs though.  If that rule wasn't in place the hospital would need to build a new wing.
tongue ...and Ho, Ho, Ho to you on that one Realguyjeff!
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Posted: 12/24/2012 2:56 PM

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I think that some of you guys are looking through rose colored glasses.  I think Cam came across as a crybaby, pee pants.  Nobody likes a Crybaby.
I understand getting frustrated but even as a young guy a pro athlete should be able to handle themselves better than that.  Especially knowing NOT to touch a ref!  I'm starting to wish we had RGIII instead of Cam.
 
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Posted: 12/24/2012 3:31 PM

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Well....we don't, and that will have to play out in the next couple of years Montana. I watched the presser after the game, and there is one thing that rings poor to me...ALWAYS! When you talk to someone, when you express sorrow, regret, humility or anger...look straight at me, and that downward, non eye contact BS from Cam is inexcusable. He had it when he had his "chat" with the official...looked right into his eyes and let it all out!

I am not sure what it will be but Cam will pay dearly for that incident...and I DO mean out of pocket, something he does not like, if you get my double meaning. Four years from now this will all be a memory, but he's got to show sincerity without being shy about who he is!
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Posted: 12/24/2012 3:59 PM

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MontanaPantherFan wrote: I think that some of you guys are looking through rose colored glasses.  I think Cam came across as a crybaby, pee pants.  Nobody likes a Crybaby.
I understand getting frustrated but even as a young guy a pro athlete should be able to handle themselves better than that.  Especially knowing NOT to touch a ref!  I'm starting to wish we had RGIII instead of Cam.
If Cam were a bad QB I could understand that sentiment.  "I wish we had Blaine Gabbert".  "I wish we had rookie of the year Vince Young".  "I wish we had RGIII". "I wish we had drafted Byron Leftwich".  I think that might be why the divorce rate is so high.  Everybody wishes for the next best thing instead of looking for the next best way to appreciate the thing they have. Good luck in life.

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