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Panthers' Ron Rivera deserves another year as head coach

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Posted: 12/18/2012 6:10 AM

Panthers' Ron Rivera deserves another year as head coach 


The Panthers’ pass-rushing ends – Greg Hardy and Charles Johnson – have teamed with middle linebacker Luke Kuechly to form a Bermuda triangle in the center of the defense.
more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.c...l#storylink=cpy

I
 agree with this but I still would like to see Norv Turner as our OC I think a experance OC would use the guys we have & we would go far intot he playoffs 
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Posted: 12/18/2012 7:57 AM

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I guess the sting of that beatdown by the mighty Chiefs (in the process of grieving a death no less) must have finally wore off.   Its good to see somebody is happy with him because I'm not.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 12:31 PM

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No he doesn't. Can him and bring in somebody else. Gruden, The Chin , somebody
who shows emotion and knows how to coach.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 1:04 PM

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I was with ghetty and Rgj for some time, but I think Ron is showing some growth, as much as Cam is showing maturity. I definitely like the "emotion" stuff, but I want a guy who has the team at his forefront. I heard many guys who know Ron Rivera state that they felt he was not getting the team's understanding and that the loses were not what he was, surely, teaching them.

Still, I was at camp for nearly a week, I was watching him all last season when there was failure to communicate, and I sure wondered why he did not get in some faces. Seems the "job security" thingy rang home with quite a few people.

I now think that a new GM could turn the tables, and some clear gap filling drafts and FA's will also get us to the promised land.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 1:19 PM

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It was an emotionally charged Chiefs team that played mistake free. They played inspired and I don't think we are the only team they would have beaten that day.

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Posted: 12/18/2012 1:21 PM

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Yeah, emotion is what makes guys tackle and block better.

Rookies usually get three years to prove themselves, I think coaches deserve the same to fully implement their guys and their system- without the burden of lockout.

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No he doesn't. Can him and bring in somebody else. Gruden, The Chin , somebody
who shows emotion and knows how to coach.

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Posted: 12/18/2012 2:18 PM

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Posted: 12/18/2012 4:15 PM

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Jackofalltrades1977 wrote: It was an emotionally charged Chiefs team that played mistake free. They played inspired and I don't think we are the only team they would have beaten that day.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 4:16 PM

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Well to be honest I think Jerry Richardson Will give Rivera Another Shot but Jerry Richardson will tell him you have to change your systems &/or Fire a Coordinator  to keep your job 
but as for screaming & yelling well Rivera easily point out Tony Dungy never screamed or yelled  

Beside I beleive what the Players say it is on them
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Posted: 12/18/2012 5:34 PM

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I used to think Rivera should have been fired when Hurney was,but his this team is starting to come together

we can compete with the best in the NFL,for 3 1/2 quarters, but we just cant finish the job and that is coaching, has much has the recent wins have made me think Rivera deserves another season,it makes me worry he doesnt know how to make the cruical decisions to seal victory's,like the decision not to go for it on 4th and in in ATL that had we made,our season may have been alot different.

I say give  Rivera another year,but if we are not over 500 after the first 4 games in 2013,fire him!!! 

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Posted: 12/18/2012 5:37 PM

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I endorse Rivera as head coach for 2013.  It would be a huge mistake letting him go like we did Fox.  A lot of the times it's not necessarily the coach but just a few key pieces.  If we get a competent GM that makes good draft day choices most of our issues will go away.
kepickle wrote: The Panthers’ pass-rushing ends – Greg Hardy and Charles Johnson – have teamed with middle linebacker Luke Kuechly to form a Bermuda triangle in the center of the defense.
more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.c...l#storylink=cpy

I
 agree with this but I still would like to see Norv Turner as our OC I think a experance OC would use the guys we have & we would go far intot he playoffs 
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Posted: 12/18/2012 7:38 PM

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He has done NOTHING to convince me that he deserves another year. He has done many things and not done many things that convinces me he does not deserve another year. I do not see a good game manager. I do not see a good teacher. I do not see a good motivator. I do not see someone who inspires confidence in his abilities. To the contrary, he inspires a lack of confidence.

I suspect, as the recent newspaper ad infers, that his hiring was as a function of his relative lack of bargaining power i.e. he was cheap. This same cheapness could well lead to his retaining his job. This organization is a complete mess and our local newspaper has been asleep at the wheel. It is no shock that Fowler believes Rivera deserves another year.....par for the course. Meanwhile, this team remains stuck boomeranging between pathetic and mediocre play.

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Posted: 12/18/2012 8:06 PM

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The only way I would keep Rivera is if the Panthers won the next 2 games by coming from behind and winning in the last minuet. Good teams find a way to win and good coaches put their team in position to win even in the last minuet.

I haven't checked, but I believe that most teams that jump to a 21 point lead go on to win the game. Blow outs are nice if you are the winner, but championships are built by winning close games. And the Panthers have not shown any indication that they can/will win a close game.

People did not like Moore as QB because he seemed to only win meaningless games. Well, Rivera is the same way. He can apparently only win meaningless games.

And winning now does not show anything. The Panthers finished strong last year and that didn't help this year.

In his article, Scott Fowler mentioned several other coaches who started bad and then did well. I believe that the teams that he referred to needed a couple of years to acquire more talented players. We have the talented players. We just need a coach who knows how to win.

We don't know how a new coach would be. He might be better than Rivera, he might be worse. But he would give fans hope. And I haven't seen Rivera do anything to give fans hope other than win 2 meaningless games near the end of the season just like last year.
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Posted: 12/19/2012 12:22 PM

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For those who want Rivera Fired after two seasons I present this

2006 6-10
2007 8-8
2008 8-8
2009 9-7


Here is a coach who if the Panthers Win out will have 1 Win more than Rivera and didn't actually have a winning Season till 2009. A Coach that Use to see Peyton Manning Twice a year. You guys expect results like the Smith in Atl, Carroll in Seattle, Harbaugh in SF. You May not always get that sometimes it take a coach a chance to learn his craft.

but here is another example of another current HC in his first Job

1988 7-9
1989 1-3
doesn't see a HC job till

1995 8-8
1996 13-3
1997 12-4
1998 14-2

and then more recent history
2010 6-10
2011 5-11
2012 Currently Leading their division over the Defending Super Bowl Champs with a pair of Rookie QBs (and they lost to us)

The two Coaches I referenced Gary Kubiak and Mike Shanahan had to both learn like Rivera has to learn. I say Give him 1 more year with a New OC like Norv Turner. Draft For DL, OL and Secondary.

First round Since we wont have the number 1 pick go Johnathan Hankins (DT Ohio State), Jarvis Jones (DE/OLB Georgia, who is often compaired to Von Miller), DeMarcus Milliner (DB Alabama), Luke Joeckel (OT Texas A&M, doubt he will fall to us). Second Round BPA CB (Xavier Rhodes FSU, David Amerson (NCSU) or S like Tony Jefferson from Oaklahoma or TJ Mcdonald from USC. Could even go WR here with the likes of Da'Rick Rogers from Tenn Tech (if he can get over his Character Issues)

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Posted: 12/19/2012 1:03 PM

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You made a good point. I never really looked at it like that.

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For those who want Rivera Fired after two seasons I present this

2006 6-10
2007 8-8
2008 8-8
2009 9-7


Here is a coach who if the Panthers Win out will have 1 Win more than Rivera and didn't actually have a winning Season till 2009. A Coach that Use to see Peyton Manning Twice a year. You guys expect results like the Smith in Atl, Carroll in Seattle, Harbaugh in SF. You May not always get that sometimes it take a coach a chance to learn his craft.

but here is another example of another current HC in his first Job

1988 7-9
1989 1-3
doesn't see a HC job till

1995 8-8
1996 13-3
1997 12-4
1998 14-2

and then more recent history
2010 6-10
2011 5-11
2012 Currently Leading their division over the Defending Super Bowl Champs with a pair of Rookie QBs (and they lost to us)

The two Coaches I referenced Gary Kubiak and Mike Shanahan had to both learn like Rivera has to learn. I say Give him 1 more year with a New OC like Norv Turner. Draft For DL, OL and Secondary.

First round Since we wont have the number 1 pick go Johnathan Hankins (DT Ohio State), Jarvis Jones (DE/OLB Georgia, who is often compaired to Von Miller), DeMarcus Milliner (DB Alabama), Luke Joeckel (OT Texas A&M, doubt he will fall to us). Second Round BPA CB (Xavier Rhodes FSU, David Amerson (NCSU) or S like Tony Jefferson from Oaklahoma or TJ Mcdonald from USC. Could even go WR here with the likes of Da'Rick Rogers from Tenn Tech (if he can get over his Character Issues)

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Posted: 12/19/2012 3:41 PM

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Great post 
stellaboycarl wrote: For those who want Rivera Fired after two seasons I present this

2006 6-10
2007 8-8
2008 8-8
2009 9-7


Here is a coach who if the Panthers Win out will have 1 Win more than Rivera and didn't actually have a winning Season till 2009. A Coach that Use to see Peyton Manning Twice a year. You guys expect results like the Smith in Atl, Carroll in Seattle, Harbaugh in SF. You May not always get that sometimes it take a coach a chance to learn his craft.

but here is another example of another current HC in his first Job

1988 7-9
1989 1-3
doesn't see a HC job till

1995 8-8
1996 13-3
1997 12-4
1998 14-2

and then more recent history
2010 6-10
2011 5-11
2012 Currently Leading their division over the Defending Super Bowl Champs with a pair of Rookie QBs (and they lost to us)

The two Coaches I referenced Gary Kubiak and Mike Shanahan had to both learn like Rivera has to learn. I say Give him 1 more year with a New OC like Norv Turner. Draft For DL, OL and Secondary.

First round Since we wont have the number 1 pick go Johnathan Hankins (DT Ohio State), Jarvis Jones (DE/OLB Georgia, who is often compaired to Von Miller), DeMarcus Milliner (DB Alabama), Luke Joeckel (OT Texas A&M, doubt he will fall to us). Second Round BPA CB (Xavier Rhodes FSU, David Amerson (NCSU) or S like Tony Jefferson from Oaklahoma or TJ Mcdonald from USC. Could even go WR here with the likes of Da'Rick Rogers from Tenn Tech (if he can get over his Character Issues)
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Posted: 12/19/2012 4:23 PM

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Carolinafan85 wrote:

I used to think Rivera should have been fired when Hurney was,but his this team is starting to come together

we can compete with the best in the NFL,for 3 1/2 quarters, but we just cant finish the job and that is coaching, has much has the recent wins have made me think Rivera deserves another season,it makes me worry he doesnt know how to make the cruical decisions to seal victory's,like the decision not to go for it on 4th and in in ATL that had we made,our season may have been alot different.

I say give  Rivera another year,but if we are not over 500 after the first 4 games in 2013,fire him!!! 


While it was a lesser team, maybe, I was thrilled to see Rivera go for it on 4th last week...early in a game is when most teams do not see what a pump that is for offensive players to be trusted to "git 'er done!"
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Posted: 12/20/2012 12:58 PM

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Realguyjeff wrote: I guess the sting of that beatdown by the mighty Chiefs (in the process of grieving a death no less) must have finally wore off.   Its good to see somebody is happy with him because I'm not.

I'd still like to see him go. I can't believe how fickle and emotional some of these guys are

If we lose with ease for the next 2 games, some of these same guys will be saying "well, eh, maybe we should let him go"

Look, Rivera is a good guy. But I just don't think he's a good fit here. I'm glad it has been a TOTAL and utterly losing season but overall disappointing nonetheless. You can't be given 10 games into the season to figure things out for what you have for the year.

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Posted: 12/20/2012 3:27 PM

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I'm not so sure about that.  If anything I think the best argument that can be made about head coaches who start off cold is that there has been "mixed results".  Even saying that is a stretch.  I wrote about this back in September actually and so far with the exception of Adrian Peterson going bananas in Minnesota and putting the team on his back its playing out about how I thought it would.  As for Mike Shanahan, I'm not going to take anything away from the guy, but I will say it makes life a lot easier when you've got a QB.  In fact I will go so far as to say you MUST win when you've got one.  He did when he had one of the greatest of all times and when he didn't, well he didn't win.  

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ghetty wrote: You made a good point. I never really looked at it like that.

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--- stellaboycarl wrote:

For those who want Rivera Fired after two seasons I present this

2006 6-10
2007 8-8
2008 8-8
2009 9-7


Here is a coach who if the Panthers Win out will have 1 Win more than Rivera and didn't actually have a winning Season till 2009. A Coach that Use to see Peyton Manning Twice a year. You guys expect results like the Smith in Atl, Carroll in Seattle, Harbaugh in SF. You May not always get that sometimes it take a coach a chance to learn his craft.

but here is another example of another current HC in his first Job

1988 7-9
1989 1-3
doesn't see a HC job till

1995 8-8
1996 13-3
1997 12-4
1998 14-2

and then more recent history
2010 6-10
2011 5-11
2012 Currently Leading their division over the Defending Super Bowl Champs with a pair of Rookie QBs (and they lost to us)

The two Coaches I referenced Gary Kubiak and Mike Shanahan had to both learn like Rivera has to learn. I say Give him 1 more year with a New OC like Norv Turner. Draft For DL, OL and Secondary.

First round Since we wont have the number 1 pick go Johnathan Hankins (DT Ohio State), Jarvis Jones (DE/OLB Georgia, who is often compaired to Von Miller), DeMarcus Milliner (DB Alabama), Luke Joeckel (OT Texas A&M, doubt he will fall to us). Second Round BPA CB (Xavier Rhodes FSU, David Amerson (NCSU) or S like Tony Jefferson from Oaklahoma or TJ Mcdonald from USC. Could even go WR here with the likes of Da'Rick Rogers from Tenn Tech (if he can get over his Character Issues)

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Last edited 12/20/2012 3:30 PM by Realguyjeff

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Posted: 12/20/2012 5:22 PM

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Glad to see someone coming around.
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