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Posted: 11/19/2012 7:58 PM

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Who ya'll like ? Would Gruden come if he thought he could coach up Cam ? ...actually if the whispers of him wanting to return are true, Panthers might look pretty good to him .much more talent already on board here than say Jax, or KC, and he would not have to draft a QB ....


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Posted: 11/19/2012 8:13 PM

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I'm not big on Gruden or Cowher. They've been gone to long from coaching. Unsure of Chip of Oregon (is he a Steve Spurrior  and Charlie Weiss clone.... the hot college coach that can't make it in the pros).

Unsure who I would/will want
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Posted: 11/19/2012 8:49 PM

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Isn't TB head coach right outta college? He kicked our butts twice.
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Posted: 11/19/2012 8:57 PM

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I'm not against a college coach, just not as eager to jump on the "hot" college coach that every one is high on.
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Posted: 11/19/2012 9:23 PM

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Chip seems fine to me.
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Posted: 11/19/2012 10:13 PM

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I'd take Chud over Chip Kelly.

David Shaw is the one college coach I'd take.

I need to look at the options available among the pro's, but I don't want a retread, not even Cowher.

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Posted: 11/19/2012 10:16 PM

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Ugghh, i just know how the college thing worked for us,....disbelief..... I would not turn my nose up at Gruden, LOL, but it will prolly be a non sexy unknown from NFL ranks type hire like with Mike Smith, a guy quietly doing his job somewhere.. .....


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Posted: 11/19/2012 10:20 PM

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I don't understand the love affair with Gruden.

I like his attitude, I like his energy but I never thought he was a good coach.

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Posted: 11/19/2012 10:27 PM

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Jackofalltrades1977 wrote: I don't understand the love affair with Gruden.

I like his attitude, I like his energy but I never thought he was a good coach.

cuase our last 2 coaches,especially the current one,tolerates undisciplined play on the field. On a Gruden coach team, a player who screwed up had a chewing out waiting for them on the sideline,even if it was Sapp,or even Derrick Brooks.

Thats what the Panthers need right now!
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Posted: 11/19/2012 10:44 PM

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Gruden has a lot of fire but his offense terminology was terrible and I think he had a lot of issues with player evaluation. He won with Dungy's team and then declined steadily if I remember correctly. Plus he had a killer DC in Kiffen, which he also inherited.

I love fire but it is not enough. Actual skill is going to be needed as much if not more on this team which hasn't seen real coaching since I don't know when. I also don't see the fan base putting up with a college coach that has anything but a fast uptake. Pro-system with a mean streak if that is the case, which dumps that goober in Oregon on someone else. Being proud of running a spread offense is like Chud being proud of his option offense this year, it's just delusional in the NFL where talent is way beyond that crap.

At this point I am more concerned with the GM and that is scary enough for me.

Also I think the Eagles are in the running for Gruden. I read on PFT that he was looking for more power, which is what I think JR hates because of the HC of the 1-15 year.
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Posted: 11/20/2012 12:02 AM

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ShaggyCat wrote: Gruden has a lot of fire but his offense terminology was terrible and I think he had a lot of issues with player evaluation. He won with Dungy's team and then declined steadily if I remember correctly. Plus he had a killer DC in Kiffen, which he also inherited.

I love fire but it is not enough. Actual skill is going to be needed as much if not more on this team which hasn't seen real coaching since I don't know when. I also don't see the fan base putting up with a college coach that has anything but a fast uptake. Pro-system with a mean streak if that is the case, which dumps that goober in Oregon on someone else. Being proud of running a spread offense is like Chud being proud of his option offense this year, it's just delusional in the NFL where talent is way beyond that crap.

At this point I am more concerned with the GM and that is scary enough for me.

Also I think the Eagles are in the running for Gruden. I read on PFT that he was looking for more power, which is what I think JR hates because of the HC of the 1-15 year.



Ah but you are discounting what he did at Oakland as well...dont forget this guy had to work under the yoke of Al Davis, and the frugality of the Glazers, that Tampa Super Bowl team was not loaded on offense, with Cam I figured he may be attractive to you for the QB guru concept, but you know, Gruden got dog in him ......Rivera aint got no dog .....


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Posted: 11/20/2012 1:05 AM

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Not everyone reacts well to getting chewed out, there are several different styles of leadership.

However, David Shaw, much like Harbaugh, has prior pro experience AND his father was a coach in the NFL. Also, he has been VERY successful at his short time at Stanford, runs a pro style offense and his team plays with a relentless passion that not even Chip Kelly could get the better of. Petrino was just a stupid hire, as I think Chip Kelly would be.

Gruden ruined the Bucs after winning with Dungy's D, one of the all time greats and despite being at QB "guru" all he did was stockpile QB's who sucked until he was run out of town.

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Posted: 11/20/2012 2:58 AM

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bigbirdy wrote:
ShaggyCat wrote: Gruden has a lot of fire but his offense terminology was terrible and I think he had a lot of issues with player evaluation. He won with Dungy's team and then declined steadily if I remember correctly. Plus he had a killer DC in Kiffen, which he also inherited.

I love fire but it is not enough. Actual skill is going to be needed as much if not more on this team which hasn't seen real coaching since I don't know when. I also don't see the fan base putting up with a college coach that has anything but a fast uptake. Pro-system with a mean streak if that is the case, which dumps that goober in Oregon on someone else. Being proud of running a spread offense is like Chud being proud of his option offense this year, it's just delusional in the NFL where talent is way beyond that crap.

At this point I am more concerned with the GM and that is scary enough for me.

Also I think the Eagles are in the running for Gruden. I read on PFT that he was looking for more power, which is what I think JR hates because of the HC of the 1-15 year.



Ah but you are discounting what he did at Oakland as well...dont forget this guy had to work under the yoke of Al Davis, and the frugality of the Glazers, that Tampa Super Bowl team was not loaded on offense, with Cam I figured he may be attractive to you for the QB guru concept, but you know, Gruden got dog in him ......Rivera aint got no dog .....
He was a better coach for being under the yoke. Now he wants more power and that's were he gets ridiculous in his coaching. Plus the only QBs that could run his system were Dilfer, Gannon and the old bald guy who some how won. The trend is that he couldn't teach anybody without 10+ years experience how to understand his convoluted system.

He's dangerous, in good ways and bad. I just don't see the fit here. It's a hell of a reach for us. I agree that we need fire in our next coach but a rabid pit bull with a giant head is not going to fix this team. I could see him right at home with the Jets or the Eagles, that would be one happy dog. So would the rest of the league if he can't find an old dog of a QB, he's like a woman in a shoe store.
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Posted: 11/20/2012 5:22 AM

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I think Gruden is heading to College & I don't think Cowher is returning to coaching & if he does I don't want him
I do like Bronco's OC Mike McCoy who is well liked by Richardson & the FO guys & also if Giants Director of College Scouting MARC ROSS is hired as GM we likely will consider there DC Perry Fewell
Now I'm not on the Hire the Hire a College guy but right now Hiring a Coordinator makes me think we are Hiring another Rivera
& Hiring a retread will only fix things short term also a experience NFL HC will want his own guys to run his own system
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Posted: 11/20/2012 9:14 AM

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Fewell was mentioned here last time before Rivera's hire
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Posted: 11/20/2012 11:35 AM

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CANAPANTHERFAN wrote: Fewell was mentioned here last time before Rivera's hire
Is that really what you want ? ......that would be Rivera part2 IMO .........


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Posted: 11/20/2012 2:07 PM

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No....just made the comment that he was interviewed. Don't want him either. The first coach that comes to my feeble mind is Jack Del Rio. Now that's a defensive minded coach that will get in your face ala Cowher, plus he is currently coaching, not been away for several years.
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Posted: 11/20/2012 2:14 PM

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kepickle wrote: I think Gruden is heading to College & I don't think Cowher is returning to coaching & if he does I don't want him
I do like Bronco's OC Mike McCoy who is well liked by Richardson & the FO guys & also if Giants Director of College Scouting MARC ROSS is hired as GM we likely will consider there DC Perry Fewell
Now I'm not on the Hire the Hire a College guy but right now Hiring a Coordinator makes me think we are Hiring another Rivera
& Hiring a retread will only fix things short term also a experience NFL HC will want his own guys to run his own system
So you don't like Gruden (who's won a SB) or Cowher (who won a SB and finished 1st in his division 8 of 15 years), you don't want a college HC or an NFL OC or DC.  Well then who the heck do you want?

Personally, I hate the idea of another coordinator.  I'm so fed up with Rivera that I just don't think we go there again.

I can't believe people wouldn't fall all over themselves wanting someone the caliber of Cowher, or even Gruden.  They are established, successful coaches and would be the best HC this franchise ever had.
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Posted: 11/20/2012 2:17 PM

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CANAPANTHERFAN wrote: No....just made the comment that he was interviewed. Don't want him either. The first coach that comes to my feeble mind is Jack Del Rio. Now that's a defensive minded coach that will get in your face ala Cowher, plus he is currently coaching, not been away for several years.

I don't understand this.  It's not like they've been in hiding.  They are covering the NFL as their jobs.  They understand the players, rules, and its not like they've lost the ability.  That is a dumb reason for not wanting the person as HC.  If you don't think he's a good coach that's one thing, but saying "hes been away for several years" has no credibility whatsoever.

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Posted: 11/20/2012 2:29 PM

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wolfmac wrote:
CANAPANTHERFAN wrote: No....just made the comment that he was interviewed. Don't want him either. The first coach that comes to my feeble mind is Jack Del Rio. Now that's a defensive minded coach that will get in your face ala Cowher, plus he is currently coaching, not been away for several years.

I don't understand this.  It's not like they've been in hiding.  They are covering the NFL as their jobs.  They understand the players, rules, and its not like they've lost the ability.  That is a dumb reason for not wanting the person as HC.  If you don't think he's a good coach that's one thing, but saying "hes been away for several years" has no credibility whatsoever.
Covering the NFL as a reporter is different than game planning and fooling with all the baggage that every player comes with today.

Yes Cowher won the Super Bowl and several AFC titles, but I attribute that to a good organization (GM and assistants) as to his just his coaching. I just don't want him for what he has done somewhere several years ago. We tried that with Seivert (a previous Super Bowl winner).

I think that one reason the Panthers did so good the first couple season was the organization led by Bill Poilian and followed by Dom Capers as Head Coach.

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