Game Balls:

1- Drew Brees

2- NO offense    (NO=New Orleans)

3- NO defense

Honorable - LM (Yup from me, LM)

Honorable - officiating was outstanding

Game Goats:

1- Pees - 0-4 on the road? Totally unprepared for this Saints Game. You want to explain that to us fans?

2- Wilhite - Had his ticket back to the JV punched tonight - C-'ya

3- OL - Here we go again - Hey BB you have to get serious about replacing them before TB gets reinjured. Normal OL do both guys, open holes and QB Protect on the pass.

Dis Honorable - TB for missing at least 3 sure fire TD's

Dis Honorable - A Patriots team that played so poorly they actually made R. Gay look like a future HOF'er.  

BTW - Notice "LJ" @ Cinn rushed for over 100yds - Sweet

Only saw the first half, ... more than enough.

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Balls:

NO - well done

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Goats:

Pats defnse - was that actually them on the field?

Game Balls:

1) Saints in every aspect of the game

Goats:

1) Brady missed way too many open guys

2) Secondary couldn't cover anything

3) BB pulling starters with five minutes to go...really?  Leave starters in up big, but pull them when losing.

Face it Pat nation, this team is a one & done in the playoffs and Brady cannot be mentioned as a top QB any more--Brees owned him last night.

Colyer

" Face it Pat nation, this team is a one & done in the playoffs and Brady cannot be mentioned as a top QB any more--Brees owned him last night."

Hey Colier not for nothing but, how in the world did Brees own Tom Brady last night?  And as far as your assertion that TB cannot be mentioned as a top QB any more, learn the game then perhaps we can have a decent, two way conversation.

BB pulled the starters because the Phins are next.

usernameNEP wrote:

Colyer

 

" Face it Pat nation, this team is a one & done in the playoffs and Brady cannot be mentioned as a top QB any more--Brees owned him last night."

 

Hey Colier not for nothing but, how in the world did Brees own Tom Brady last night?  And as far as your assertion that TB cannot be mentioned as a top QB any more, learn the game then perhaps we can have a decent, two way conversation.

 

You mentioned on your own how Brady missed 3 sure TDs last night, a "top" QB just doesn't do that. 

I understand the game and a key part of the game for a QB is A) not making mental INTs and B) not missing open WRs for TDs.  Brady did both last night.  He is not playing at the same level as Peyton, Brees, or even Favre right now.  If you think otherwise, you need to learn the game.

Balls:

Brees

Saints O

Saints D

Goats:

Harkening back to my college days when I was a lab assitant in the Micro department ---Too Numerous To Count

colyer wrote:

 

usernameNEP wrote:

Colyer

 

" Face it Pat nation, this team is a one & done in the playoffs and Brady cannot be mentioned as a top QB any more--Brees owned him last night."

 

Hey Colier not for nothing but, how in the world did Brees own Tom Brady last night?  And as far as your assertion that TB cannot be mentioned as a top QB any more, learn the game then perhaps we can have a decent, two way conversation.

 

You mentioned on your own how Brady missed 3 sure TDs last night, a "top" QB just doesn't do that. 

 

I understand the game and a key part of the game for a QB is A) not making mental INTs and B) not missing open WRs for TDs.  Brady did both last night.  He is not playing at the same level as Peyton, Brees, or even Favre right now.  If you think otherwise, you need to learn the game.

Again, spend time learning. Apparently it was convenient for you to mention TB's misses and not DB's. For certain, anyone watching the entire game will recall at least two instances, perhaps three as I mentioned, where TB overthrew his WR.

How and why? An Ol who failed, once again in a big game,  to provide the necessary time for TB to look primary, secondary receiver. Do you recall at all, the number of times TB grounded the ball to avoid a sac or, perhaps you failed to notice.

I just think you are wrong to make the assertion that Brees owned Brady last night. Now I would agree if you had said, for example, Brees owned the Patriot secondary.   

Of course you are aware of Brees record setting 3 TD's v a BB coached team, rite? Perhaps Breese owned Bill B last night?

Do you recall the survey the Network took last night as well as the results? I do and it was all BRADY and, that was even with a big defecit.

If your best argument is that the majority of the country likes Brady over Brees, I give in--you win.

If you are arguing that Brady actaully outplayed Brees last night, wow--you lose in so many ways.

colyer wrote:

If your best argument is that the majority of the country likes Brady over Brees, I give in--you win.

 

If you are arguing that Brady actaully outplayed Brees last night, wow--you lose in so many ways.

Colyer ~ Not a question of giving in, as you say. Not at all. My objection, if you will, is how you state Brees owned Brady. On point, that was the issue. You are corect in that I did mention other things that were brought up by the network. Apparently you missed the survey asking; "Who would you want as your QB in a close game, with 2 minutes remaining"?  Brady @ 56% prior to me clicking off the massacre!

Breese did not own Brady at all. That is my point. You disagree and that is fine.

Now, I do not know if you are a NEP or Saints fan but, did you hear what MacMillian had to say or, Mike Reese?  if I could get a hold of either of them I would ring their collective necks.

Reese ~ Too much time on the Bayou? Your reference to "Did you see his eyes"?  Are you into Vodoo Reporting?

MacMillian ~ Hope you enjoyed 2007 as it is highly unlikely you will repeat. BTW, who are you to criticise BB for pulling the $$$ of the team off the field, trailing as they were and with a pathetic defense who could not stop a clock?   

It's amazing what people choose to read into BB pulling the starters. The Dolphins game is coming up Sunday, why risk injury to the starters he'll need for that in a game that's clearly lost? That's no "disrespect" to the Saints, just acceptance of obvious reality.

I hope this game was the wake-up call the Pats need - at all levels of the organization. Pees' defense was exposed, as was the cost of not having a real OC. No pass rush against the number 1 offense means your secondary will get torched - I don't care if you have 4 reincarnations of Ronnie Lott back there, they get burned. On offense, they did their usual "oh we're behind, we better stop running - even though there's still 20 minutes left in the game" routine. WTF? Aiken did well, but where were Edelman and Stanback? They have to get pressure off of Moss/Welker - Aiken won't do that alone.

They need a good OC and DC. Period. BB can't do it all alone. If Adalius doesn't improve by leaps and bounds in the next few games, trade him in the off-season. I have little doubt this team wins the division, but I have grave concerns that they'll be eliminated in the first playoff road game. Granted, this is a rebuilding year, so many veterans are gone. But the problems start closer to the top and these are the same problems they've had since CW and RAC left.

dokgonzo wrote:

It's amazing what people choose to read into BB pulling the starters. The Dolphins game is coming up Sunday, why risk injury to the starters he'll need for that in a game that's clearly lost? That's no "disrespect" to the Saints, just acceptance of obvious reality.

 

I hope this game was the wake-up call the Pats need - at all levels of the organization. Pees' defense was exposed, as was the cost of not having a real OC. No pass rush against the number 1 offense means your secondary will get torched - I don't care if you have 4 reincarnations of Ronnie Lott back there, they get burned. On offense, they did their usual "oh we're behind, we better stop running - even though there's still 20 minutes left in the game" routine. WTF? Aiken did well, but where were Edelman and Stanback? They have to get pressure off of Moss/Welker - Aiken won't do that alone.

 

They need a good OC and DC. Period. BB can't do it all alone. If Adalius doesn't improve by leaps and bounds in the next few games, trade him in the off-season. I have little doubt this team wins the division, but I have grave concerns that they'll be eliminated in the first playoff road game. Granted, this is a rebuilding year, so many veterans are gone. But the problems start closer to the top and these are the same problems they've had since CW and RAC left.

AT has not been the same since they moved Seymour. but then again, fair to say that the entire defense has not been the same.

In 2010 we must start to see a change in philosophies and dynamics if the Patriots are to be successful in a rebuild, without waiting 20 years for one. Jets - Niners - Lyons - Browns - Bills - Raiders - to mention a few.

Old friend Parcells turned it around in one year @ Miami, even resurrected the career of Rickey Williams.  Maybee it's time to pay the "get paid" guys? It is time to cut half of the defense loose next year, similiar to a Miami approach.

Is it time to reorganize our coaching coordinators?  Replace the bottom two or three. We can recapture the good old days where, a 4th, 5th and even 6th rounder could be developed into an all star.
You can betcha that Miami will be looking for the knock out punch when the two teams meet.

dokgonzo wrote:

It's amazing what people choose to read into BB pulling the starters. The Dolphins game is coming up Sunday, why risk injury to the starters he'll need for that in a game that's clearly lost? That's no "disrespect" to the Saints, just acceptance of obvious reality.

 

In a vaccum I would agree 100%.  However, given BB's 2007 approach and constant mantra that "We need to play 60 minutes", it looks hypocritical.  Can't have it both ways.

Per ESPN:

"A week ago, the Patriots led the Jets 31-14 with 30 seconds remaining in the game. Bill Belichick had his starters still on the field; Tom Brady threw deep to Randy Moss -- Belichick was desperately trying to run up the score in order to taunt the Jets organization. The football gods exact vengeance for this sort of thing. Monday night in New Orleans, the Patriots were punished"

Every game is different, - and a judgement call - "at the time". Doing "X" in one game doesn't mean you do it in every game" ... I know what you're getting at, - so what?  It's BB's call to make, period.

colyer wrote:

Per ESPN:

 

"A week ago, the Patriots led the Jets 31-14 with 30 seconds remaining in the game. Bill Belichick had his starters still on the field; Tom Brady threw deep to Randy Moss -- Belichick was desperately trying to run up the score in order to taunt the Jets organization. The football gods exact vengeance for this sort of thing. Monday night in New Orleans, the Patriots were punished"

All I saw on the link was a recap of the game. I didn't see this quote that you put up. Whoever wrote that quote is a loser. The lose still bothers them. Patriots have higher standards  Super Bowl asprirations while the JV team from Jersey is interested only in talking crap that isn't being backed up anymore and trying not to lose to New England. They can keep their lower goals and loser quotes and opinions. Who cares except them? No one.

I see a lot of talented new players, but then they don't get playing time ... or make a mistake and get benched and then cut. And there are glaring weaknesses which don't get addressed through free agency (like a big veteran tailback to move the pile - instead we get more finesse kinds of guys).

The Seymour trade was either going to happen this year or next year. But he wasn't going to be a Patriot in 2010 either way. Adalius has never really lived up to the hype when he didn't have a lot of pro-bowlers lined up next to him out there.

To me, the biggest blunder was not hiring solid replacements for RAC and CW. The success this team had since they left was more a function of having a more talented team. But a team which hasn't won another SB either. They never regained that ability to go into the tunnel down 7 points and playing one way, and come out a completely different team and take the game over in the 3rd and win it. When you look at what this franchise accmplished during those 4 magical years - and the relatively average level of overall talent they did it with - one can only wonder what that kind of coaching could do with the players no on the roster.

Given the number of veterans on defense who left this season, the D is doing actually pretty well. But the offense is predictable and too often falters. Some of that is on Brady's recovery, but a lot of it is on building an offense to beat the Colts instead of sticking to what won championships.

I agree Dok, - the defense really doen't bother me.  I think thery've come along well, and another year will be just fine. Now the offense is another matter, it's gone far astray from Brady's favorite receiver is "anyone who's open" - making them unpredictable for defenses to cover. I admire Wes & Randy, a great deal, they're both "top line" players, to say the least, but THAT'S what make the Pats offense so predictable.