Everyone's ragging on the secondary players and, yeah, they screwed up huge yesterday. But look at this logically. Work the problem. 

McCourty was great his rookie year and then, as if by magic, became useless. Moore looked great last year, this year as if by magic, he looks slow and useless. Chung was the guy you could count on for the last few seasons, this year, he seems lost. Arrington got promoted from ST because he made plays, and tied the league in INT's last year, and this year can't cover squat.

I give Wilson a pass because he's done well for a rookie, and Ebner a pass because he's still learning the freakin' game, and Dowling since he's basically a rookie as he spent most of last season on IR.

Last season they tied with the 9'ers in INT's for the season with 23. Only the Packers has more with 31. Even though they ranked last in yards, they could still play the ball.

But how is it that 4 guys who we've all actually seen capable of playing very well in the secondary all of a sudden play like crap? They're too young to be having their physical skills decline. I think there's more going on with BB's "scheme" or with having the wrong coaching in the secondary. That's the thing these guys have in common. I just can't buy the coincidence that every one of these guys all of a sudden and at the same time started playing this bad.

As for Patricia as DC, well, the D went from being 17th against the run to 6th. In fact, they went from being 19th in giving up rushing TDs to being 4th. They only gave up 2 rushing TD's all season. Sure, you can say "why run when you can complete passes against this team?" You could say the same last year, but they still gave up a ton of yards and TD's on the ground. So that got way, way better.

The pass rush still needs work. Only 11 sacks in 6 games. Jones is going to be a force, Cunningham is finally making a difference, and Ninkovich is looking more and more like Vrabel 2.0. Hightower's been out for 2 or 3 games and that's not helping because he is wicked fast for a guy that freakin' huge. But that needs to improve and in a hurry.

I think they need to bring in a *veteran* coach to work with the secondary. The guys they have now have zero NFL playing experience and are too damn young to be coaching players who are also young. Whatever they're doing to prepare the DB's for games simply isn't working.

The scheme stinks!I notice Dowling only got 6 snaps in the game.Mostly in dime.Seriously u drafted this guy in the second round to play dime?Give him a shot at CB and see what he can do.I feel like the coaching is vanilla on defense.I think this team needs a richard Seymour type upfront with the tackles.I think its coaching!

I think Jones will develop into a player just as disruptive as Seymour was. Ninkovich and Cunningham are shaping up to be solid as well.

Both the scheme and the technique they're coaching for the secondary blows chunks. The safeties got way, way worse since Patricia stopped coaching the position this season. They seem lost.

I think what the D needs the most (besides to get better in the back 4) is an interior passrushing force next to Wilfork.  Having another threat inside will take some pressue off Wilfork because he is getting doubled/trippled on most plays. 

To fix the secondary, I think they just have to let the guys play.  No more don't look back for the ball technique.  Let them play like they have in the past.  If they get burnt on a play....well.....nothing else will be different.  But if they start making plays because they are watching the QB and ball, then that will be a huge difference.

I noticed the Seattle DBs doing that same sh*tty play the receiver not the ball technique and got burnt a few times as well.  Considering Brady threw for almost 400 yards against a team that is considered to have 3 or 4 pro-bowl quality backs....well....do we have too big of expectations for the secondary?

I was on Twitter earlier and this dude was saying its the players. I said it's more than the players it's the coaching. Then I just saw this thread. I agree. Coaching, coaching and coaching.

I think it's both.  Some adjustment has to be made.  They need to bring in another coach and try to trade for a decent secondary guy.

I think Stealth has it. Let these guys do what they best and do by instinct. Adapt the system to what the players can do, put them in a position to succeed. And start looking for a DB's coach, like, yesterday. Maybe Rodney's interested in the gig.

The Pats have given up 15 passing TD's this year which is tops in the league and on pace to set a new record. They also lead the league in pass plays of 40+ yards. On one had the secondary is horrible. On the other hand terrible QB's have had all day to throw the ball.

Hell, at this point I'd even consider hiring Mangina back as secondary coach. He actually did a good job at that.

Funny tweet during the DEN-SD game just after the Carter INT:

@GregABedard: Lol. Patriot fan snark RT @RealDealDiPirro: Why was he facing where the ball was coming from?  I don't understand.

Its a dull defense.Not creative.They hardly blitz with their lbs.Idk.I just wanna see some changes.BB needs to stop being hard headed and admit that wateva they are doing,its not working.

Morpheus11 wrote: I was on Twitter earlier and this dude was saying its the players. I said it's more than the players it's the coaching. Then I just saw this thread. I agree. Coaching, coaching and coaching.

Brother you are rite on. The coaching, top to bottom, is starting to suck. Not kicking the FG in Seattle was clear and convincing proof that there is trouble on the coaching bus.

dokgonzo wrote: I think Stealth has it. Let these guys do what they best and do by instinct. Adapt the system to what the players can do, put them in a position to succeed. And start looking for a DB's coach, like, yesterday. Maybe Rodney's interested in the gig.

Rodney would be a good choice.

usernameNEP wrote:

Morpheus11 wrote: I was on Twitter earlier and this dude was saying its the players. I said it's more than the players it's the coaching. Then I just saw this thread. I agree. Coaching, coaching and coaching.

Brother you are rite on. The coaching, top to bottom, is starting to suck. Not kicking the FG in Seattle was clear and convincing proof that there is trouble on the coaching bus.

NEP - I find this FG thing really interesting because I think it was the right call.  They still had time to kick a field goal after the incompletion....Brady was just called for intentional grounding and the clock was run until halftime.  All he had to do was bounce the ball to a receiver, like he did the whole second half, and they could have still kicked the field goal.

Its funny because I don't recall anyone on here complaining about getting a TD against Baltimore instead of kicking a field goal.  It was the same exact situation.  Where was the fingerpointing with that play?  You can't have it both ways - either going for and getting that TD against Baltimore was a sh*tty call, or trying to get the TD against Seattle wasn't as bad as some are making it out to be.

I see the eagles fired Juan Castillo.I wonder if this team would fired the DC and the secondary coach during the season if things keep getting worse.

From Twitter during the debate:

I just dont understand why BB loves his undrafted CB so much? There is a reason that they went undrafted. I can understand trying one guy out, but multiple guys on your defense? Come on Bill.

Now add in the fact Chung is turning in to a bust. And McCourty is not the player that BB thought he would be, which if you watched him play in college you could have seen that he could not play man. And that was against lower level competition in the Big East. You more misses like Wilson, who was not even rated to be drafted. Butler who was another Big East reach pick and you see why our back 4 stink.

** As much as I hated the McCourty I did like the Chung pick. He just has not lived up to the Hype as a big hitter like he was at Oregon.

Bottom line is you have to draft better at the CB and Safety position.

Jones has looked better than expected so far but the pass rush is still inconsistent at best.   But it may be a real good idea to get another pass rusher to line up opposite Jones next year.  I mean he's only a rookie and he's already getting double teamed all game long because they really don't have any other threat.

We definitely need better safety play.  I noticed while watching the Niners-Seahawks game, Wilson was throwing bombs again but the Niners always had safeties in position to make the play.  The Pats safeties always seem to be chasing the deep receiver from five yards behind.. or more.

This just came across Twitter: RT @Ravens: Terrell Suggs has been moved to the active roster, and the team has cut OLB Sergio Kindle.

Think BB will go after him? He played RB and LB in college. Picked in the 2nd round last year.