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Wes Welker Proves Why The Patriots Must Keep Him

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Posted: 10/10/2012 10:08 PM

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At the beginning of the season, there was a lot of concern that The Patriots might once again cast aside their top talent and play things on-the-Cheap, when they refused to commit to resign Wes Welker to a new contract (and allowed him to play only on a limited, expiring, one-year, franchise-tag deal).

Wes Welker is the NFL's #1, leading pass-receiver over the past 5 seasons (and with that remarkable record, has been building a case for himself as a Hall-of-Fame calibre performer).

Yet when the season started, Wes Welker was not on the field very much.  He was given only a mere handful of targets (one of which he muffed), and had only 3 catches in the first game. Instead Julian Edelman got a lot more playing time, and Edleman was given a lot more targets. It seemed that Julian Edelman was being groomed as the heir apparent (replacement) for Wes Welker and for Welker's key role in their passing game. 

But something happened on the way to Cheapstakeville: 

Aaron Hernandez got injured (a perennial event), Julian Edelman also got injured (also a perennial event), and Bill Belichick now had a big void at the receiver position to start the season.

To the rescue, Wes Welker has proven that he's the only big-time receiver that really exists on this team, with 30 catches for 375 yards over the last three games.  This also puts him easily on pace for yet another 1,000+ yard season (he already has almost half-that-amount in just 5 games, with 484 yards).

So it was interesting to hear Welker's response on CSNNE's Patriots Postgame Show, when asked how these recent 13-catch games feel compared to the beginning of the season.  Welker's response:  "Yeah, it's kind of nice to stick it in Bill's face once in awhile".

To be 'politically correct', Welker said later that he was just joking around. But even jokes have a ring of truth to them, and this one certainly does.

For Welker has proven very clearly that the Patriots have no receiver option on the team anywhere near where he is.  No receiver on this team other than Welker could have possibly filled that void, and without Welker's dominant 30-catch, 375-yard performance, the Patriots would have never won any of their last 3 games, and they would be staring down a 1 - 5 record in their face (or in Belichick's face). 

To repeat:  This Team without Wes Welker could very well be 1 - 5 right now.

So yes, joke or no joke, it was indeed nice to stick it in Bill's face, and remind him just how critically important Wes Welker is to this team, and why Belichick must rethink things and pay the man and resign him properly to a serious contract, and keep him here.

Wes Welker's don't come along that often.  Welker is an irreplaceable talent, and he is in a league above all their other receiving options, and he certainly proved that.

Belichick needs to keep him.

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Posted: 10/11/2012 7:08 AM

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Welker will be 32 next year.  He isn't getting a long term deal.  I am sure the Patriots would love to have him back with a 2 (maybe 3) year deal. 

But, your "on the cheap comments" get a little old.  Didn't the Patriots lock up Gronkowski and Hernandez to big, long term contracts just this last offseason?  And Wilfork and Mankins the previous offseason?  Everyone can't get huge contracts.  There is that little thing called a salary cap.....

In your world, the Patriots obligate 90% of their salary cap to 10 players and the rest of the roster is filled with undrafted rookies because thats all they can afford under the cap.  That kind of roster won't get you very far - just look at the Jets.
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Posted: 10/11/2012 7:19 AM

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Welker was franchised for around 9 million dollars, - a VERY NICE chunk of change for one year. He hasn't come up with a cure for cancer, - he plays football & he's good at it, but there are limits & for a guy in his 30's those limits really kick-in. Money wise I'd say he's gone as far as he's about to with the Pats.
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Posted: 10/11/2012 7:47 AM

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DL, what BB and the Pats have done in the era of the salary cap is truly remarkable,and unparalleled.

  And the team is almost completely re-tooled for another 4-5 year run,although as far as you're concerned,it's probably "not the way I would do it".

  Until your boy goes somewhere else and duplicates what he's accomplished here,I for one,still believe that the Team and coaches have had a hand in WW's success.

  And, If And When that does happen,and the Pats stop winning because of it, I will humbly eat a HUGE helping of your "I told you so" pie.
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Posted: 10/11/2012 12:25 PM

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> "Welker will be 32 next year"

Who cares.  Performance always trumps age.  Some guys can play into their late-30s or even 40s, and some guys are all washed-up at 29.  It all just depends upon the individual, and besides raw track speed was never Wes Welker's game to begin with.  

Welker's game is about on-the-fly route adjustments, angling his body, quick cuts, and being in the open space at the right time.  He easily can do what he does for another 4-5 years as long as he has Tom Brady as the QB.

And I guarantee you that Julian Edelman will never be the NFL's #1 receiver, or replace Wes Welker's level of production.
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Posted: 10/11/2012 12:39 PM

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> "DL, what BB and the Pats have done in the era of the salary cap is truly remarkable,and unparalleled"

I agree to a point, but having Tom Brady as your QB covers-up a lot of Team inadequacies, and the team is able to win in spite of them. 

The truth is that Bill Belichick has presided over one of the worst Defenses in the NFL for several consecutive years, and the Patriots have not won a Super Bowl in 7 years. So is Belichick above any criticism?  I don't think so.

After 7 years, they still have not replaced the shutdown cornerback skill level of Asante Samuel, and have been clearly weak at that position year after year after year.

But as long as Brady eludes the pass rush, and puts up 30+ points every week, nobody notices......
My point is that if they fail to lock up Welker, then even the scoring too (which produces all their victories) may also decline.

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Posted: 10/11/2012 1:36 PM

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DerekLarsson2 wrote:
Who cares.  Performance always trumps age.  Some guys can play into their late-30s or even 40s, and some guys are all washed-up at 29.  It all just depends upon the individual, and besides raw track speed was never Wes Welker's game to begin with.  

Who plays into their late-30s or even 40s....other than QBs and kickers/punters?

The only WR I can think of that lasted at an elite level into their late 30s was Jerry Rice...the best WR ever.  And even he started slowing down after 33 - all his metrics were markedly down by the time he reached his mid 30s because he wasn't as fast/quick any more.
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Posted: 10/11/2012 1:38 PM

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And now we're back to the A$$ante $amuel discussion. Next up: how BB is nothing without TB.

Everyone loves Welker. Up to and including BB and RK. But. This is a business. Welker's trade value is sky high. They can probably get a couple 2nd rounders for him. And get them safely because, truth is, without an accurate QB with a quick release Welker won't be "Welker" on another team. He'll still be good, but not #1 WR In The League good.

The fact is that other than Edelman, the Pats don't have a starting calibre WR under 30 years old. And Edelman seems to get hurt every year, so I'm not sure BB will want to rely on him as the Welker replacement. The Pats must rebuild the WR position in the draft next season. Looking at the job they did rebuilding the RB's, DL, TE's and LB's, that's probably a good thing.

The Pats play hard ball when it comes to contracts. Wilfork and Mankins found this out too. So its not like the Pats are picking on Wes. This is how they do business. Welker could take what he's able to negotiate for a long term deal today and be set for life and have a real chance to go to the SB every year.

I just don't get this fixation with being "the highest paid at a position" - I know these guys are competitive and all, but there are so many examples of players leaving a good thing over money and regretting it badly. Randy Moss comes to mind.
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Posted: 10/11/2012 3:53 PM

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Highest paid means squat, ... except to the individual player involved. - If spending money by the truck-load won Super Bowls - then Dallas & Oakland would need huge warehouses to store/display all their trophies.
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Posted: 10/11/2012 4:34 PM

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I  think if both sides work on it, a deal will be done. I really thought Mankins was a goner, but they worked it out. But the Pats FO are the biggest a-holes in the league when it comes to contracts. They treat everyone the same and don't mind dragging things out to the last possible instant if it means saving a few million. 

And that's how they manage to keep a deep roster.

As much as I think WW's trade value is worth considering making a deal, I really don't see them trading him as long as Brady is on the team. Those two make such a deadly combination on the field.
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Posted: 10/12/2012 7:38 PM

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The issue is and should be age. I think I read that there is 6 WR in football older then Welker. And I think only one is productive. In the last 10 years there have been very few WR older than 32 that have been very productive. So you don't lock Welker up for more than 2 year, 3 maybe if its for the right money. The Patriots offered 2 years which was the right thing to do. You don't want to lock up big money on a 33+ year old WR, you just don't do its not smart.
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Posted: 10/14/2012 2:38 AM

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> "So you don't lock Welker up for more than 2 year, 3 maybe if its for the right money."

Welker is not a speed-based, downfield receiver and so the age comparisions do not apply.  Welker's game is based on his brains, not his speed.

As long as he is healthy, then he can play his style of Football and do it well. There is simply no reason on earth to give-up on Wes Welker, and forfeit away his talents, until he demonstrates on the field that he can no longer play anymore.

I don't think we have to worry about that for another 4-5 years, because once again the style of his game is not based upon speed, or youth.  

His game is based on reading defenses well (using his mind), and improvising his routes after-the-snap into an open space, angling his body, and having good hands (with only a few notable exceptions).  As long as he continues to put up the numbers, and prove his value, then there is simply no reason on earth to get rid of him.

With the numbers that he's been putting up, he's going to go to Hall-of-Fame.  Pay the man now, and then Brady will continue to have one player out there that he can rely upon, and that very rarely gets injured.  

But lowball him and play it cheap, and then there will be a decline in the Offense.

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Posted: 10/14/2012 5:01 AM

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NO Derek - NO!!! ... You don't pay someone "what they want", ... you pay them what YOU believe they're worth. Obviously you, Welker & the Pats disagree, - bingo, problem solved - Pats are writing the checks, Pats make the call.
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Posted: 10/14/2012 6:51 PM

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NO Hunter - NO!! 

In case you haven't been paying attention, Wes Welker has been carrying this team on his back.  Wes Welker has had 4 straight 100+ yard games.  Now name another NFL receiver that's capable of doing that? 

He's been an NFL #1 player year-after-year-after, and the numbers unambiguously show that, and prove that. 

So does Welker deserve top dollar-?  Absolutely.  His performance has clearly proven that. 

And on a more practlcle matter who the hell is gonna replace Welker, and his consistent, team-carrying 100+-yard-per-game production?   Edelman?  Nonsense.  No:  There's saying: you get what you pay for.

If you want to have and retain the NFL's top players, then you cannot treat them like dirt, and piss on them  Wes Welker has deserved top dollar, and that is what he is worth.  His NFL Leading, and gritty performance on-the-field week-after-week-after-week clearly proves that point, and the truth is that Patriots would fail to win most of their games without him.

 

 
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Posted: 10/14/2012 7:32 PM

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Can Welker play CB?
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Posted: 10/14/2012 8:59 PM

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I have to agree with Derek on this one.... give the guy a 2 year deal and pay him.
The time has come..... Here's to the 2014 Season.
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Posted: 10/14/2012 9:11 PM

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They offed him a two year deal and he said no. He wanted 3+years. He didnt care if the deal got done because he was going to make 9 mil this year.
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Posted: 10/14/2012 9:41 PM

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vinnybravo wrote: They offed him a two year deal and he said no. He wanted 3+years. He didnt care if the deal got done because he was going to make 9 mil this year.
Offer him 2 years at 12M per and I bet he takes it.
The time has come..... Here's to the 2014 Season.

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Posted: 10/14/2012 9:49 PM

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If u look at it,Welker has been the heart and soul of this offense.LLoyd has been somewat dissapointing.Its bad enough that this team has doned a lousy job in the draft at wr and developing them.They where plenty wrs in last year's draft and they took Jeremy Ebert.Where is he now?
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Posted: 10/15/2012 3:04 PM

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Offer him a decent 2 year contract and pay Welker. Even with Welker here the offense cannot run out the clock on opponents. Imagine if he wasn't here. Edelman is not Welker and will never be. Period.

Chance favors the Prepared Mind.

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Posted: 10/15/2012 3:18 PM

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Derek, - no question about it, Welker's a fine player & I hope they find a way to work things out. However, you can't let the players decide their own salaries/deals - it REALLY is that simple. The guy writing the checks, ... calls the shots (in any business).  - I strongly doubt they offered him peanuts, would like to know the details in fact, - but at 32 Kraft isn't going for long-term deals with him.  By now that should be obvious.
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