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Can Ochocinco Still Play?
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Posted: 7/4/2012 12:42 PM
Can Ochocinco Still Play?
The Chad Ochocinco experiment didn't work in New England, so the ever-friendly wide receiver has taken his talents to south Florida.
Now Ochocinco -- who remains in excellent physical shape -- claims to want to play till he's 40.
Does Ochocinco have the staying power to continue playing at a high level for another six years? (He's 34 now)
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Posted: 7/4/2012 12:49 PM
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Chad Ochocinco: 'Everything fits perfectly for me'Dolphins WR getting married, feeling at home in MiamiA black Smart car pulls up right in front of David's Café and the Miami Dolphins' newest receiver steps out, greets his waitress, his guest, and sets up in his usually spot outside the front door of the South Beach café on Meridian Avenue.
It is humid outside, but Chad Ochocinco doesn't need air conditioning. What he needs is his usual, a chicken and rice dish named after him on the menu, and people to watch. Minutes into a conversation Ochocinco pulls out his money clip as a homeless woman approaches. He calls her by name, hands her $100 and tells her to bring back $80 change.
She disappears quickly, but shows up 20 minutes later complaining that nobody would change the bill for her. He recommends another store and she walks off again, but eventually comes back with the $100. Ochocinco stops his meal and gets her change himself and gives the woman her daily $20 for food and cigarettes.
Sun-Sentinel...
Last edited 7/4/2012 12:49 PM by Patsadmin
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Posted: 7/4/2012 5:59 PM
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I hope he gives Rex fits and can redeem himself after last season.
I'm not worried about him playing the Pats, BB had a whole year watching him up close and no doubt knows every weakness. I actually expect a number of INT's when the 'Phins throw to him against the Pats because BB knows he won't adjust, he'll do what he wants out there.
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Posted: 7/4/2012 7:06 PM
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Scoring one against the Pats would make his entire season, ... and the Fins will give it a shot. - If they have a truly simple playbook, - he may have a year or two left. At this point though, - I don't care if he plays 'til he's 70, he's not likely to be much of a threat.
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Posted: 7/5/2012 6:10 AM
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Hunter07 wrote: Scoring one against the Pats would make his entire season, ... and the Fins will give it a shot. - If they have a truly simple playbook, - he may have a year or two left. At this point though, - I don't care if he plays 'til he's 70, he's not likely to be much of a threat. When you look at what he's done in the past and the kind of shape he's in, it seems like he'd still be a viable threat. The advantage the Patriots have is that their DBs practiced against Ochocinco for a whole year last season, so they too know what to expect... even when he freelances. Agreed with the "year or two" left. I doubt he'll make it to 40 -- as a receiver.
Last edited 7/5/2012 6:11 AM by JSinCT
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Posted: 7/5/2012 8:35 AM
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Since his body is a lot smarter than his brain, he might fit well at South Beach. Persosnally I liked Chad and for sure, wish him well in Florida. If you bet on Ocho beating NE then call me. I can put you in touch with a much, much better deal! 
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Posted: 7/5/2012 12:48 PM
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I liked Chad as well and hope things work out for him.
His signing with Miami had a lot to do with things other than football. It's his home town, he has his house and cars and girlfriend all down there. The 'Phins will be featured on Hard Knocks this season, and Chad does love the camera. No way the 'Phins get to post-season, but they won't suck as bad as last year. Even though he's saying he wants to play til 40, if he gets enough interest from the media to leave the game, and they want to pay him, he's done playing.
Also factor in going from a SB team with RK, BB, TB, etc. to a team that if they're lucky will be 8-8 next season. He didn't like losing in Cinci, he won't like it in Miami any better. Which is another reason I think he's positioning himself for "life after football."
And I don't think BB will give a damn if Chad scores against the Pats, as long as the Pats win.
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Posted: 7/5/2012 2:11 PM
Re: Can Ochocinco Still Play? (1 vote)
I think that Bill Belichick and The Patriots Orwellian way of doing things created a sterile atmosphere that sucked the life out of Chad, and made him underperform.
You all know what I'm talking about. The whole buttoned-down, clandestine, conservative, secretive, "don't say anything to the press", "don't talk about injuries", super serious Military-esque modus operandi.
Chad's whole personna is a creative, spontaneous, clownish, and an inspired style.
That's how he plays football. That's how he gets his own juices flowing. He cannot adapt to the Patriots 1277-page Playbook, and the expectations around precise in-route adjustments, where to line-up on this shift, etc.. That was never his game. It was unwise for Belichick/The Patriots to try and change Chad into something that he never was.
But in a different environment, he may flourish once again.
The mystery will always be once they realized that Chad wasn't really "getting it", why The Patriots didn't just rethink things and figure out what Chad does really well all by himself. Maybe there were 3 or 4 routes that could have been exploited effectively and used, similar to that one 35-yard TD pass down the sideline in the Denver game (his only TD of the season). Let him be silly and clownish and get his mojo going, and do his 3 or 4 things and no more ... and then you'd find that his productivity would have gone up.
But the experiment to change Chad into a Brown/Welker type of "Patriot" was never going to work.
Last edited 7/5/2012 2:46 PM by DerekLarsson2
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Posted: 7/5/2012 2:41 PM
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From what I've read, Ocho drove Carson Palmer crazy because he never ran the route he was supposed to. He always went where he felt like going. Palmer just learned to adjust and make the most of it. Now, they ain't got Palmer or Brady throwing in Miami. They have Moore and Garrard, who are at best middle of the pack.
I have a hard time believing that keeping Ocho from being clownish would cause this 11-year pro-bowl veteran from knowing where the hell to line up when a play is called. I can buy him having indecision after the snap about what he's supposed to do, but how can he not know where to line up?
Every player who joins the Pats is expected to conform to the Patriots Way, no way they'd make an exception for Ocho. Just no way. I think the mistake BB made was letting his friendship with Ocho get in the way and make the trade in the first place.
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Posted: 7/5/2012 2:46 PM
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dokgonzo wrote: I hope he gives Rex fits and can redeem himself after last season.
Last time that happened Rex was still with the Ravens. Same reason I wasn't worried about Chad when he signed with the Pats. I see him giving the Pats fits though  . Not sure why he's still Ocho as he promised to change back to Chad if Revis could shut him down 2 years ago? 
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Posted: 7/5/2012 3:04 PM
Re: Can Ochocinco Still Play? (1 vote)
"I have a hard time believing that keeping Ocho from being clownish would cause this 11-year pro-bowl veteran from knowing where the hell to line up when a play is called. I can buy him having indecision after the snap about what he's supposed to do, but how can he not know where to line up?
Every player who joins the Pats is expected to conform to the Patriots Way, no way they'd make an exception for Ocho. Just no way. I think the mistake BB made was letting his friendship with Ocho get in the way and make the trade in the first place." The two points were confused. Chad didn't and couldn't know where to line-up on most plays -- because all these complexities and variations that the Patriots create was never Chad's style of Football to begin with. That just wasn't his game. But my 2nd point about letting Chad be Chad (spontaneous, clownish) was just about allowing him to be an X-Factor type of player, where he could be creative in the context of maybe just 3 or 4 type of route scenarios. This is sort like how Carson Palmer adjusted to him. If they wanted to maximize his productivity, that's what they needed to do. But I agree with you that Chad was not a good fit for The Patriots and their system from the beginning. Brady and The Patriots are about precision and timing and execution and predictability, and their even their apparent "spontanity" is based upon scripted situational Football. Chad is a ... I'm feeling it, let's wing it... guy.
Last edited 7/5/2012 3:05 PM by DerekLarsson2
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Posted: 7/5/2012 4:22 PM
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How can he not know where to line-up, though? Wing it or not, that's not a spontaneous act and knowing where to line-up is the same on every team. Listen to the play, you go to that spot there, wait for the snap. I think the playbook was just more than he could handle.
At the same time, I don't think O'Brien did him any favors. They could have adjusted the playbook a little to get him more involved. Just 3 or 4 plays where he was a deep option if he could get open, instead of trying to turn him into Gaffney. And that all goes back to the rigid and predictable offense that's now PSU's problem.
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Posted: 7/5/2012 9:06 PM
Re: Can Ochocinco Still Play? (1 vote)
"How can he not know where to line-up, though? Wing it or not, that's not a spontaneous act and knowing where to line-up is the same on every team. Listen to the play, you go to that spot there, wait for the snap."
Because it is not just a matter of lining up. Each Patriots "play" has the potential of multiple possible sub-formations, multiple looks, multiple shifts, and multiple variations. Brady calls out specific Offensive-Line adjustments on the fly, the Defensive Alignment that he sees (the "mic", "will" "sam", etc.), play adjustments, he may even point or motion at a receiver, and everybody is expected to re-adjust and re-sync together, and then run the correct route or block based on both the coverage and Brady's adjustments (which may not always work out, but the percentages say that it should).
So you need to memorize a Matrix of possible options for each and every play.
This is very hard for many receivers if they are not really experienced at reading and studying Defenses (and have really put in a whole bunch of the time in the "Film Room"). This is why the majority of Patriots receivers can't "get it" all, and perform it at game speed, and why most just do not work out in their system. It's just too complex. But if you're good at reading defenses, and understand the why of it all, then you can catch on quickly (Branch, Welker, Gaffney, Moss, Gronk, etc.)
But that just isn't Chad's game. He's a guy who always got by on just his pure physcial and athletic talent, and size (and reach).
He's an instinct player and that isn't always a bad thing.....but it is not how the Patriots do things.
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Posted: 7/5/2012 9:57 PM
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"He's an instinct player" . Fine, - then it's good that he's gone ... and hopefully found a "happy home". Still to be determined of course. - I'm not exactly convinced a team full of "instinct players" (free spirits etc.) will keep the Pats "in the hunt" year after year, after year, after year.
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Posted: 7/6/2012 1:11 AM
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I hear what you're saying, DL. But when they break the huddle everyone goes to a pre-assigned place before TB makes his read. Ocho didn't even know where to go at times at that point either. I can accept that a rookie may have a problem learning a complex playbook, but an 11-year veteran? I mean, damn, even Reche Caldwell knew where the hell he was supposed to line up.
The Pats WR's have made many big plays by being "instinct players." The difference is that Branch or Welker will see something, and tell TB what they want to do before the snap, and then everyone's on the same page.
I'm sure Chad will contribute to the 'Phins more than he did for the Pats. But he won't be competing with guys like Welker and Gronk and Lloyd for catches either. I'll be interested to see how much passion he has for the 2013 season when (a) Hard Knocks moves to another city and (b) he remembers what a losing season feels like.
I still like Ocho as a person. As flamboyant and goofy as he is, he works his butt off and shows a lot of kindness to everyone he meets.
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Posted: 7/6/2012 12:34 PM
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Yeah. Being an "instinct" WR when your QB is one of the most cerebral players to ever wear a uniform, is not good. TB can read a coverage, set up his protection and has memorized the 5 recievers route trees and knows which route they will run so if he gets pressure he can throw the ball to a window and the reciever will be there when the ball is.
On top of that he can see the whole field and watch the in route adjustments and know that his guy breaks to the outside if the DB's feet point in or they will sit down if the coverage was well disguised and slips into a zone. Ocho had 1/10th of TB's job and 1/2 of the lumbering TE's jobs and still couldn't do it.
You can't be good at your job if you don't have the brain power to learn your job.
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Posted: 7/6/2012 4:35 PM
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I too wish Chad well. If he should happen to have a pro-bowl season, great for him. As someone stated I don't think BB cares, he cares about the Patriots winning a superbowl.
Chad couldn't, didn't or would not learn the playbook. That was his most likely last chance at a Superbowl.
Chance favors the Prepared Mind.
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Posted: 7/7/2012 4:58 PM
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3rdngoal wrote: Yeah. Being an "instinct" WR when your QB is one of the most cerebral players to ever wear a uniform, is not good. TB can read a coverage, set up his protection and has memorized the 5 recievers route trees and knows which route they will run so if he gets pressure he can throw the ball to a window and the reciever will be there when the ball is.
On top of that he can see the whole field and watch the in route adjustments and know that his guy breaks to the outside if the DB's feet point in or they will sit down if the coverage was well disguised and slips into a zone. Ocho had 1/10th of TB's job and 1/2 of the lumbering TE's jobs and still couldn't do it.
You can't be good at your job if you don't have the brain power to learn your job. Not to knock Chad, but the Patriots' offense is pretty hard to grasp. That's why you see Brady chirping at Welker, Branch or other WRs when they make the wrong adjustment and the play doesn't go as planned. Have to have a bunch of super stars if they want to dumb it down... or just a couple of Randy Mosses would do the trick.
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Posted: 7/7/2012 9:51 PM
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The team's way of doing things in general is probably the most difficult to grasp in the league. The D is just as tricky - formations and assignments change every week and sometimes every series. As we've seen so often with the team since BB took over, smarts are just as important as raw physical skills, if not more so.
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Posted: 7/9/2012 1:29 PM
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That is one of the reasons I think players leave NE and do worse. The offense/Defense in NE is designed around football smarts and making adjustments while many other systems seem to go for more of a "we're bigger and faster so we win" mentality. When guys leave NE, where they were put in the best position they could be to succeed, they go to other teams and have compacted or strict playbooks and aren't able to do as much.
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