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Posted: 5/24/2012 3:49 PM
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Here's one from the Globe. Some interesting things on the WR's - Lloyd looks hot, Ocho looks not. Also interesting that Wilson is picking things up quickly - could be important if Dowling will need more time to rehab. FOXBOROUGH – Here are some observations from today’s practice that was open to the media. Before I begin, a few disclaimers. - It is VERY, VERY early, so don’t go flying off the handle about anything. Things will certainly change in time.
- This is the third practice the Patriots have had. We don’t know what was done the other two, or whether this was a “let’s try a few things” sessions. Also, the Patriots know the media is watching. They might show some things or hide some things accordingly.
- The media is limited in what we can report. Specifically, we can’t report “on offensive or defensive strategy. This includes describing formations, personnel groups or non-conventional plays.” We also can’t report comments made by coaches.
So, with that backdrop, a few intentionally vague thoughts after watching practice: - There was a lot of teaching going on, which is what these OTAs are designed for. But it wasn’t only the coaches. Players were helping other players. Saw Vince Wilfork showing Jermaine Cunningham the finer points of leverage during a drill. Jerod Mayo was helping Dont’a Hightower. The safeties were doing a lot of talking amongst themselves.
- The secondary seems to have a bunch of moving parts with different players playing in different groupings, though there appeared to be a solid core (which we can’t report).
- Devin McCourty was at cornerback.
- It seemed clear to me that CB Ras-I Dowling, who went on IR last year after hip surgery, is working his way back from the ground floor. He appeared to be lacking some reps and when he was on the field, he didn’t possess the same explosiveness that we saw early last season that got him immediately in the lineup. He appeared very stiff and lacked fluidity. On a couple of occasions he was easily beaten down the field. But it’s very, very early and he may need some easing back.
- Another thing that really jumped out was the S Josh Barrett was noticeably slimmer, which is something that needed to happen. I thought Barrett was way too big last year – he almost looked like a linebacker – and that often showed up in his play when he had trouble changing direction. Maybe Barrett hasn’t lost weight, but it sure looked like he has changed his body – and for the better.
- Dan Connolly was the top center, even missing both guards and one tackle. To me, that reinforces that it’s his job to lose against Dan Koppen – unless injuries prove such a problem closer to the season that the team is better off moving Connolly to guard to given them a “best five.”
- None of the rookies just assumed a starting role. That’s no surprise at all. But Chandler Jones, Dont'a Hightower and Tavon Wilson appeared to not be far off from being in the mix.
- Not much jumped out about Jones that we didn’t already know. He’s learning his way around this defense. Same with Jake Bequette.
- Somewhat surprised Hightower ran solely with the linebackers. Figured he might get some DE work, but he could be working on different things in other practices.
- LB Bobby Carpenter was on the field a lot.
- Jonathan Fanene looked bigger than I guess I pictured. Patriots have some bulk inside with Wilfork, Kyle Love, Fanene, Brandon Deaderick, Gerard Warren, Myron Pryor, Marcus Harrison, Marcus Fortson and Ron Brace. A lot of competition there again in this camp, just like last year.
- Josh McDaniels’s spin on the offense was noticeable and there was a lot of carryover from what he did in Denver. Probably didn’t help things that Aaron Hernandez was the only real tight end on the field (aside from UDFA Brad Herman, who was playing with a limp).
- WR Chad Ochocinco seemed to pickup where he left off. Deion Branch had to tell him where to line up at one point, and then Ochocinco went offsides and had to run a lap.
- WR Wes Welker had an uneven day catching the ball. (Hurry, somebody go write that he’s being distracted by contract talks! Kidding.) Did find it a little amusing that at one point Brady threw a pass to Welker in the seam that was reminiscent of the Super Bowl play. Brady threw it high – but slightly to the inside this time – and Welker snagged this one while leaving his feet.
- WR Brandon Lloyd looks like he’s been living in his offense for a while – which he has in Denver and St. Louis – and a natural. He catches everything with ease. Can definitely see what scouts said -- not a burner but a long strider who can cover ground -- about him.
- There were not many “wow” moments for anybody today. Not a whole lot stood out. There were on a few sessions of 7-on-7.
- Ryan Mallett underthrew a ball and was picked off by Marquice Cole. Mallett didn’t look sharp. Brian Hoyer was on his game. Cole played a lot of gunner on punt team.
- Brady seemed solid. Nothing outrageously good or bad. The one thing that stood out was his rapport with this group. With Jabar Gaffney and Donte’ Stalloworth returning, it had a “getting the band back together” feel. The WRs were having a lot of fun being around each other.
- There was a lot of sub package defensive working happening. Don't know if that's an everyday thing, or just for today.
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Posted: 5/24/2012 5:29 PM
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And some more: http://www.csnne.com/football-new-england-patriots /patriots-talk/Observations-from-Patriots-OTAs?blo ckID=713504 The shirts-and-shorts session began with stretching. Offense wore blue and defense wore grey. As noted on Tuesday, the players did not have jerseys on, but numbers could be spied on shorts and helmets.
I didn't see Sebastian Vollmer, Daniel Fells, Logan Mankins, Brian Waters, Tracy White, Myron Pryor, Anthony Gonzalez, or Jeremy Ebert while scanning the practice field. It's possible any or all showed up after reporters left the session.
 Rob Gronkowski was seen jogging and working with trainers. He was joined by Brandon Spikes, who had offseason surgery on his right knee; Matt Slater, who might have tweaked something during the session, and Nate Ebner, who spent time on a stationary bike during rookie camp because of an unknown injury. Spikes looked okay, running at one point on a harness (it does look as weird as it sounds). The team then broke apart for positional work. Offensive line coach Dante Scarnecchia could be heard hollering at the offensive line as the guys did some one-on-one work. Nate Solder got a few snaps at left tackle, as expected in the post-Matt Light era. Elsewhere on the line, Robert Gallery stood in as left guard for Mankins and Ryan Wendell played right guard for Waters. Also of note on the O-line, Dan Connolly was first in at center with long-time starter Dan Koppen behind him. More on that later . . . The trio of quarterbacks -- Tom Brady, Ryan Mallett, and Brian Hoyer -- did some passing drills with a rotating group of receivers, backs, and tight ends. At one point, Brady was surrounded by a new-look group: Donte' Stallworth, Jabar Gaffney, Aaron Hernandez, Chad Ochocinco, and Joseph Addai on his right.Despite the targets, backup Ryan Mallett struggled with accuracy on a few balls. He followed up a sweet bomb to Stallworth with an ugly grounder in the slot where Welker was waiting. Mallett then missed Hernandez on the outside. There was some sloppiness all around, though. Julian Edelman worked with the offense for as long as I could see. He also played special teams as a punt returner (as did Deion Branch and Wes Welker). Interesting sight: Defensive end Alex Silvestro had to act as a tight end. With Gronkowski unavailable for positional work and Daniel Fells absent (during the media portion, keep in mind), Silvestro was -- at least for today -- the handiest replacement. Got a look at Shane Vereen and rookie Brandon Bolden during running back drills. All the players were tasked with basic stuff -- keeping their weight over their feet and selling the move without going too hard. From what I could see, everybody had soft hands. Bolden dug in too hard on one run, but corrected the next time out and was complimented. Second-year back Stevan Ridley had nice quickness today. During 7-on-7, Devin McCourty and Kyle Arrington started at cornerback. Patrick Chung and free agent acquisition Steve Gregory were the safeties.
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Posted: 5/24/2012 9:04 PM
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I have very high expectations of Lloyd this year.
Good to see that Jones, Hightower, and Wilson are showing promise.
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Posted: 5/24/2012 9:37 PM
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I'm really excited about the run game this season. If Addai, Bolden, Vereen and Ridley ... and Woody, of course ... can establish a reliable run game to open and close games with that takes so much pressure off Brady and the WR's. You know, so they don't hand opponents a safety on the first offensive snap ... ahem.
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Posted: 5/25/2012 7:11 AM
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I think Addai/Vereen will be the key for that. When either of them are on the field, the Patriots are no so obviously one-dimensional. Both can be part of the running or passing game. Hopefully they can stay healthy.
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Posted: 5/25/2012 10:25 AM
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Just hope they really do have a balanced attack, - twt. ... Last year I thought Albert was about to "enhance the defense" quite a bit, ... unfortunately Albert thought otherwise.
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Posted: 5/26/2012 1:46 PM
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--------------------------------------------- --- dokgonzo wrote:
I'm really excited about the run game this season. If Addai, Bolden, Vereen and Ridley ... and Woody, of course ... can establish a reliable run game to open and close games with that takes so much pressure off Brady and the WR's. You know, so they don't hand opponents a safety on the first offensive snap ... ahem.
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Yep. I think the running game is key to winning it all. They have to run the ball better this season.
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Posted: 5/26/2012 4:37 PM
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There's nothing wrong with letting the other team know you intend to run the ball down their throats when you can actually pull it off. Ridley, Bolden, plus 2 FB's and a couple monster TE's should allow them to do just that. During the Dillon years the Pats drove other teams crazy in the 4th - you know they were going to run the clock out, and no one could stop them from doing it.
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Posted: 5/26/2012 4:52 PM
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That's how the old Green Bay Packers under Lombardi made their living, - running it down everyone's throat. - If a team didn't know what they were about to do, - they'd just about tell them, - and then defy them to stop them. - I doubt they had more than 5 or 6 passing plays in their play book.
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Posted: 5/26/2012 10:37 PM
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That used to be the Pats in the 4th. There'd be Dillon behind Brady and everyone knew what they were going to do. Just no one could stop it - or if they did for two downs then it was a little flip pass to Faulk or Troy to get out of trouble. And then right back to Dillon - pound, pound, pound. No risks, no mistakes, no chance for the other team to do anything but stand there and watch it happen. If the Pats had the ball and a 1 point lead with anything under 6 minutes to go, the game was over.
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Posted: 5/27/2012 10:47 AM
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Thanks Dok for all that stuff to start the thread.
Is it just me or does Brandon Lloyd look to be more that just the real deal. I know its early but with the note on his soft hands and crisp route running it sounds like a more dimensional Randy Moss. I wonder how the speed of both Moss and Lloyd compare in a game situation?
As we all know, the speedy WRs the pats have had in the past have not always worked out that well. I would rather have a crafty route runner anyway. If Lloyd is the guy to get down field and he does it in a Hernandez (shifty) manner than the Pats will be very very scary indeed.
It sounds like the Pats keep Welker and Lloyd and Jabar. I bet they keep Edelman and I am a Stalworth homer so I'm pulling for him. That makes the five the Pats keep for games. It will be interesting to see who gets put on the PS. Can't see them keeping 6 game guys on the roster. I would hope they put that extra man in the D backfield to step in for injuries.
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Posted: 5/28/2012 2:17 AM
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dokgonzo wrote: There's nothing wrong with letting the other team know you intend to run the ball down their throats when you can actually pull it off. Ridley, Bolden, plus 2 FB's and a couple monster TE's should allow them to do just that. During the Dillon years the Pats drove other teams crazy in the 4th - you know they were going to run the clock out, and no one could stop them from doing it. Yeah but Dillon did a lot on his own, he did it despite the Patriot offensive line. This grroup has no Dillon They do have Ridley who if he doesn't fumble should have a good year. North South runner who has some speed. Vereen who has the potential to take it to the house every time he touches the ball. Hopefully he will be healthy. Same with Addai. He can be a solid veteran presence and if healthy can help the Patriots.
Chance favors the Prepared Mind.
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Posted: 5/28/2012 4:22 AM
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This OL may be better at run-blocking than what Dillon had. Seabass, Solder, and Cannon are young and huge and athletic. Add in Mankins and (hopefully) Waters and that group should be able to open some holes.
I think Vereen was held out last season partly because of (a) pass protection and (b) O'Brien's weird judgement call. He seemed healthy enough down the stretch, but was never given much of a chance.
The committee approach should keep Addai healthy.
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Posted: 5/28/2012 11:39 AM
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I honestly don't expect the running game to be any different this year than it has been since Josh became the OC the first time around. They bring in new RB's every year and we think it means a new commitment to the running game. But I expect it to be the same deal this year, a primarily passing offense that has some success running the ball (mostly on draw plays). I just don't see Josh changing his ways and if he wouldn't even commit to the running game when he had Dillon then I don't see any reason why he'd start doing it now. So I expect them to finish the season ranked in the 10 to 15 area statistically for rushing. Respectable. But it won't look any different than it has for years now.
** ** “I don’t have a response. If I had a response to everything that people said about me or us, then I’d be busy all freaking day responding to things." -- Tom Brady, September 2007
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Posted: 5/28/2012 3:50 PM
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Good point TN,if McD didn't run with Dillon then he ain't running now. The Patriots have brought in FB's for once so we will see what happens. They need Seabass to stay healthy. Right now he isn't even doing the OTA's.
And Josh has NOT SHOWN that he can adjust yet.
Chance favors the Prepared Mind.
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Posted: 5/29/2012 10:35 AM
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It’s time to conclude this quick five-part series that took a look back on my list of things to watch during OTAs. This doesn’t mean the analysis is complete, as two of the Patriots’ final seven OTAs are still open to the media, but it seemed like an appropriate time to make some snap judgments. . Scroll through the blog to see the first parts, which checked out Rob Gronkowski, the secondary, wide receivers and rookies. Here, let’s roll through the running backs. This is what I wrote in Thursday’s paper: . In all likelihood, the Patriots will give their running backs role-specific duties, but there are still questions after BenJarvus Green-Ellis’ departure. Can Stevan Ridley take over as the primary ballcarrier? Is Shane Vereen better than advertised between the tackles? Can Danny Woodhead keep it going after a superb Super Bowl? How much does Joseph Addai have left in the tank? Does undrafted free agent Brandon Bolden deserve the comparisons to Green-Ellis? Potential can be a beautiful thing, but it yields plenty of unknowns. .
Analysis: The big thing that jumped out was Vereen served as the top back during practice. The unknown is whether or not it means anything, particularly since I have no idea who took on that role during their first two sessions. It’s just like preseason carries in that regard, as Bill Belichick will designate certain times for certain players to have their time with the first-team offense. But again, Vereen is high on my list of players to watch during the offseason, since it was difficult to make any lasting impressions last year. Addai got a decent amount of snaps, too, but I don’t think it’s a given that he’ll make the roster. I do think, though, that with a young backfield, Belichick would like a veteran to stay in the mix. . Aside from Vereen’s snaps, I can’t say who did or didn’t run well. There’s no contact during OTAs, which makes it difficult to reach any worthwhile impressions on the performance of the running game. In all honesty, the first time to assess the running attack will be the preseason opener. There will be observations in the meantime, but teams need to be going full speed to show what they’ve truly got on the ground. . Credit: Boston Herald
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Posted: 5/29/2012 1:48 PM
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A lot of the "to run or not to run" decision will also come from BB. The question is: has he seen enough of blowing leads in the 4th, and seeing Brady get hammered for 4 quarters, to dictate the style of offense to McD?
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Posted: 5/30/2012 11:52 AM
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dokgonzo wrote: A lot of the "to run or not to run" decision will also come from BB. The question is: has he seen enough of blowing leads in the 4th, and seeing Brady get hammered for 4 quarters, to dictate the style of offense to McD? The other thing is tio see if McD has learned how to adjust. Once DC locked unto what he is doing and adjust he has shown to inability not to be able to adjust. However by running the ball more and making the offense balance it will make it that more difficult to try and contain the offense. I am expecting big things from Vereen. I said it before the article and hope he will be healthy enough to show what he can do. I hope Ridley is able to hold unto the ball so the Patriots can take advantage of his skills.
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Posted: 5/31/2012 2:08 PM
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From Thurs 31.May: FOXBOROUGH -- We'll be back in a little bit with some observations from practice, but here's the rundown on who wasn't participating: Not present: LG Logan Mankins, RG Brian Waters, RT Sebastian Vollmer, WR Jeremy Ebert (school), TE Daniel Fells, DT Gerard Warren, DT Myron Pryor (Pryor's non-attendance is not 100 percent. It was tough to see with no jerseys again). Present and watching: OT Markus Zusevics. Present and rehabbing: TE Rob Gronkowski, RB Joseph Addai, WR Matthew Slater, LB Tracy White, LB Brandon Spikes. Returned after being out last week: S Nate Ebner. All of the rehab group appeared to be moving well, so the injuries seem to be coming along. Gronkowski looks about 10 times better than he did in the Super Bowl. Addai was doing a lot of resistance training at a decent pace. Will return in about 30 minutes with a practice report.
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Posted: 5/31/2012 6:45 PM
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And some more: Thursday, May 31, 2012 10:46 AM Notes from the Patriots’ Thursday morning OTA session It Is What It Is Christopher Price FOXBORO — The Patriots just wrapped up an OTA session on the fields behind Gillette Stadium under a brilliant late-spring sky. The practice, held in shorts, sweats and T-shirts, ran for roughly 90 minutes, and like last week’s session that the media had access to, had the same pace as an uptempo training camp practice — quick and efficient, but not too fast. Here are a few quick notes: •The following players were not spotted on the field for the duration of the session: offensive linemen Brian Waters, Logan Mankins and Sebastian Vollmer; wide receiver Jeremy Ebert and tight end Daniel Fells. As was the case last week, tight end Rob Gronkowski worked off to the side, running sprints and stretching. Meanwhile, special teamer Matthew Slater, linebacker Tracy White and running back Joseph Addai also worked off to the side. (Addai looked nimble working through cone drills.) Linebacker Brandon Spikes started with the team in the stretching line, and then appeared to depart for the practice bubble. •With the understanding that very little should be read into personnel moves because it’s still May, there were some interesting faces in different places. On the offensive line, with no Mankins, Waters or Vollmer, Robert Gallery got a lot of snaps at right guard, while Marcus Cannon saw plenty of time at right tackle. In addition, Dan Connolly and Dan Koppen rotated pretty steadily at center, with Donald Thomas (who didn’t play center last season) working as a backup center for portions of the workout. Connolly and Ryan Wendell also rotated in at the guard spots, while Nate Solder spent most of his time working as the left tackle with what appeared to be the No. 1 offensive line. •Quarterback Tom Brady was pretty animated throughout the practice, while offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels was a hands-on presence with the quarterbacks. •In 7-on-7′s, there were several different combinations utilized in the secondary, but it is worth noting that for the second consecutive week, McCourty appeared to take the bulk of the reps at cornerback. (It looked like McCourty and Ras-I Dowling were paired as the starting corners.) There were several different pairings at safety, including Nate Ebner and Pat Chung, Ebner and Ross Ventrone and Josh Barrett and Sergio Brown. Steve Gregory rotated into the mix as well. Ebner made a nice pass breakup on a pass from Brian Hoyer that was intended for Brandon Lloyd. •One interesting special teams note — Donte Stallworth worked briefly as a kick returner, along with Julian Edelman, Danny Woodhead and Devin McCourty. Working as a special teamer would almost certainly increase Stallworth’s chances of making the final roster. (It’s worth noting that the last time he worked as a returner was 2005 with New Orleans.) One other thing regarding Stallworth — he appeared to tweak something in the early stages of practice, limping off and spending time on the sidelines. It didn’t appear serious, as he was quickly back on the field. •Lloyd looked comfortable again working with the wide receivers, not overwhelmed by much at all. It was a relatively uneventful session for the bulk of the receivers. (After appearing to struggle through much of last week’s session, Chad Ochocinco didn’t really pop up much on the radar. He did have a very nice catch on a pass from Brian Hoyer in passing drills early on in practice.) Other skill position highlights included running back Stevan Ridley working with what appeared to be a reasonable facsimile of the starting offense in 11-on-11 drills near the end of practice. (He looked good, but dropped a short pass from backup Ryan Mallett toward the end of the practice.)
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Posted: 6/7/2012 5:15 PM
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Recap of today's OTA's. I think Lloyd's quick acclimation to the Pats offense had something to do with Ocho being let go. Also it looks like the secondary may not suck this year. - Lot of red zone and two-minute drill work, which is the usual method of operation during installation. There was also some work against cards (diagrammed plays held up for the scout team offense or defense), which indicates the Patriots were preparing for an opponent or two. Again, nothing unusual about that.
- Thought it was interesting that offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels spent some time working one-on-one with QB Ryan Mallett. Appeared they were working on footwork, which has been one of the weaker parts of Mallett’s game.
- First-round pick Dont’a Hightower saw his role expand a little bit more in this practice. He had been solely at middle linebacker in previous practice but ventured out to other LB positions during practice. Hightower also appeared to be much more comfortable with what he was doing, so he played a little bit faster. Seems to be rounding into shape.
- With Rob Gronkowski, Daniel Fells, and Aaron Hernandez out, and Brad Herman and Bo Scaife not able to make it through practice, DE Alex Silvestro was the lone TE for much of practice. Let’s just say he doesn’t have a future there.
- The offense was sluggish getting in and out of the huddle and coach Bill Belichick had them run three penalty laps (two the second time).
- Tom Brady was very sharp during practice. He hit his first six passes and finished 18 of 26 with most of the completions going to Deion Branch, Wes Welker, Jabar Gaffney and the running backs. There weren’t many downfield throws.
- Brian Hoyer was also sharp, completing 10 of 13 throws. Mallett, after working with McDaniels, was 7 of 10, but twice he was saved with diving catches by Julian Edelman, and his incompletions were way off. Mallett also threw into triple coverage once.
- Two rookies, Tavon Wilson and Alfonzo Dennard, stood out in the secondary with a few pass breakups each. Seems that the rookies are starting to catch on.
- Not an overly impressive day from Ras-I Dowling. He just appears to be a little stiff at this point. But, again, he’s coming off hip surgery. Will eagerly be waiting to observe him in training camp when he should be at full health and ready to compete for a job. He’s already in sub packages. If Dowling can grab a starting spot, that will allow the Patriots to be more flexible with Devin McCourty. But right now he’s rebounding nicely at cornerback.
- Brandon Lloyd did nice work in the red zone with a couple of touchdowns. He just has terrific body control. Really think the sky’s the limit for him in this offense. Of course, not having any TEs around makes Brady look at the WRs more. Those reps certainly can’t hurt.
- WR Britt Davis picked up some reps with Chad Ochocinco not at practice. Davis showed well today with a knack for sideline catches.
- Will Allen continued to get some reps at safety.
- Steve Gregory looks like we figured when the Patriots signed him: a jack of all trades in the secondary. He can do a little bit of everything.
- Like what I’m seeing out of the secondary as a whole. Marquice Cole is quite an athlete. Sterling Moore continues to develop with more reps. Kyle Arrington is still playing well. Things look to be coming together back there.
- Impossible to really tell much along the two lines. The OTA rules are constricting for those positions. DE Trevor Scott continues to be impressive. Rob Ninkovich isn’t doing much standing up, but that’s usually a game plan thing during the regular season.
- There was also a lot of work on kickoff return. The Patriots used a bunch of different people, but I have to say that I was impressed with Donte’ Stallworth. He has some explosion back there. Of course, not one is hitting anybody so it’s really tough to draw any conclusions.
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Posted: 6/7/2012 10:28 PM
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I know we haven't done much with the OTA coverage, but honestly, OTAs are pretty useless in trying to determine roster spots. One thing they do tell you is the injury factor and who's absent or not.
If you try to extrapolate final roster spots based on who looks good in OTAs, am willing to bet that you're wrong as much as you're right.
With that said, another big thing to keep an eye on, who gets reps with the first team.
I can tell you from experience, nearly every player changes from 1st string to second, and nearly every player on second string plays in all three groups.
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