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Posted: 3/3/2012 10:54 AM
Posted: 3/3/2012 12:11 PM
Hunter07 wrote: Tough call - to say "paying players" to injure another player. - Dropping a hint etc. that "it would be ok" if so & so didn't get up, - yeah. - There are so many teams switching/trading players, some with a grudge against a former team or coach etc. - you'd think at least one or two would blow the whistle.
Posted: 3/3/2012 2:10 PM
Posted: 3/3/2012 3:01 PM
It's one thing to show the SportsCenter highlights the day after a game and have players want to have their big hits in the show. It's another to selectively target opposing players and give a cash incentive for causing enough injury to take them out of the game. Worse still to have an organized system for doing this on a weekly basis. That's hardly what one would call "professional."Goodell has to get involved in this. He can't make all these rules changes and levy all these fines, and then let this go unpubished. That said, I think the Saints will get off lighter than the Pats. Partly because Greedell is a NY suck-up, and partly because what the Saints did isn't technically breaking any rules, and partly because Greedell just plain sucks in general.
Posted: 3/3/2012 3:35 PM
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Posted: 3/3/2012 11:32 PM
I don't see the kind of gutter-trash mean-streak needed for this kind of "coaching" in Rex. He loves the game too much.Latest report is that the league is widening it's investigation to include the 'Skins.
Posted: 3/4/2012 8:45 AM
vinnybravo wrote: This is way worse the the Patriots having an camera filming in an unapproved area. The Patriots lost a 1st round pick an was leveled a huge fine. Lets see what the Comish does.
Posted: 3/4/2012 2:00 PM
Posted: 3/4/2012 2:16 PM
Posted: 3/4/2012 2:55 PM
vikingfan52 wrote: I hear now that they are talking that this bounty system may have been instrumental in Peyton Mannings injury.... With the man love for Peyton ( not meant negatively towards Manning) if they look at it that way, might carry more weight than Favre, or Werner. Because his could be closer to ending ones career.But it is showing that this is just in the smoldering stage... There are going to be many fires churning in the coming future.
Posted: 3/4/2012 5:29 PM
Posted: 3/4/2012 11:10 PM
stealthdog666 wrote: Yeah - this just goes beyond playing hard and hitting hard. This is a system that encourages players to go out and intentially try to injure a player on the other team. The Saints systematically took cheap shot after cheap shot on Favre to get him out of the game. That is not hard play football. In a way this is very much like Spy Gate. Other teams/coaches admitted taping other teams, just as this investigation is branching out to other teams. There is no doubt in my mind that several teams have a similar thing. And I dont think there is anything wrong with giving players some cash for big games, like a 4 sack game. Where it crosses the line in the sand is giving players money for players they caused to be carted off the field, or giving players money for injuring a key player on the other team so they can't play anymore. That is about as unsportsman as I can think.The Saints are going to get hit hard and be the scapegoat - the league is going to make an example of them that this is not acceptable. Just like the Patriots. I'm guessing the penalty will be close to what the Patriots got....maybe even a little bit more because the league has taken such a big interest in player safety. Which leads me to wonder.....where is the NFLPA on this matter? Their silence suggests they condone bounties to try to injure the players they represent.
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Posted: 3/6/2012 10:04 AM
Chance favors the Prepared Mind.
Posted: 3/6/2012 10:20 AM
Posted: 3/6/2012 1:04 PM
Morpheus11 wrote: The thing is the NFL knew about it and warned the Saints. The Saints ignored the warning. All of a sudden Sean Payton looks a lot different in peoples eyes right now.
Posted: 3/6/2012 1:42 PM
Posted: 3/6/2012 4:01 PM
I know what Saints fans/players are in for:
Not defending them, just warning them.
Posted: 3/7/2012 1:04 AM
Posted: 3/8/2012 12:56 PM
According to the NFL's summary, Loomis failed to stop the bounty practice -- players and at least two assistant coaches paid for big plays and for hits that resulted in opposing players being carted off the field or knocked out of games -- after being alerted by NFL security in 2010 and owner Tom Benson in January of 2012, drawing a strong rebuke.
"In this respect, he failed to ensure that the club, and the coaching staff he supervised, conducted themselves in a way consistent with league rules and further failed to carry out the express instructions of the club's owner," the summary reads.
The summary also found that in "early" 2010, when NFL security went to investigate Saints employees, Payton told his staff to, "get your ducks in a row." Payton is said to have been aware of the "bounty" program with an email from convicted felon and marketing agent Mike Ornstein confirming as much.
"Coach Payton also received an email from Ornstein committing $5,000 towards a bounty on an opposing quarterback, which the coach recognized as a pledge toward a bounty," the summary stated.
Ornstein, a marketing agent for former Saints running back Reggie Bush and a confidant of Payton's who pleaded guilty last year to illegally selling Super Bowl tickets, pledged $10,000 toward the quarterback bounty in 2009, according to the summary. On at least two occasions in 2011, Ornstein "pledged substantial sums toward a bounty on an opposing quarterback."
Credit: Saints Scout Board, ...
Posted: 3/8/2012 3:03 PM
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Posted: 3/9/2012 1:38 PM
Posted: 4/17/2012 5:57 AM
"We didn't get any meaningful evidence, or any meaningful truth or facts," Brees told NFL.com after the meetings."Really? You were in the damn lockerroom and saw the how the bounty system was developed, collected, and paid. You should be able to give the "mainingful truth or facts" yourself. Maybe the NFLPA strategy was to have Brees and Faujita there to find out exactly how much and how deep the NFL knows...In other news, the number of former NFL players saying the NFL in the class action safety suit has risen to over 1600. The Saints are going to get decimated with player suspensions. If they just wipe this under the rug, that will be a strong example for that lawsuit of the NFL not caring about player safety.
Posted: 4/17/2012 6:30 AM
Posted: 4/17/2012 11:40 AM
Any player who played D for Williams over the last decade need to be careful. A QB or offensive player can claim no knowledge because they weren't in the meeting rooms when the bounties were levied (supposedly). But a defensive player was. And I'm going to assume that if the league gets put into a corner with this the "reasonable doubt" they'll try to introduce is the fact that this went on for years and none of the players cared enough about each other's safety enough to stop it. Which will make the proceedings take on the vitriol of a messy divorce.
Posted: 4/17/2012 2:15 PM
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