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Posted: 2/13/2012 6:43 PM
Mike Wallace?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1055220-new-eng land-patriots-pittsburgh-steelers-mike-wallace-is- a-realistic-target
Makes good sense. With the Pats draft history lately, they are likely to trade down anyway. Why not trade the pick for a proven 25 yr old, deep threat who can take the lid off the D and open up the underneath for Welker, the seam for Gronk, and let Hernandez run wild (didn't even mention Branch on the other side)?
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Posted: 2/13/2012 7:01 PM
Re: Mike Wallace?
If he's not a free agent, then it might make good sense for the Pats but it wouldn't make any sense at all for Pitt to trade him simply to get an extra draft pick.
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Posted: 2/14/2012 5:18 AM
Re: Mike Wallace?
Why?
For the cost of Wallace, the Patriots could sign Vincent Jackson and also use the 1st round pick to draft Alshon Jeffery. FA is going to be flooded with talented WRs - so why trade a 1st rounder for one? If the Patriots wanted to make a big splash at WR, give a big contract to one of those guys in free agency and save the 1st round pick.
Imagine Jackson (6'5") and Jeffery (6'4") lining up on opposite sides. The Patriots have been on the receiving end of that kind of thing - it is a matchup nightmare.
Last edited 2/14/2012 5:50 AM by stealthdog666
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Posted: 2/14/2012 8:08 AM
Re: Mike Wallace?
There are so many good WR's both in FA and in the draft that there really is no need to trade for one. And to be clear on my comment above where I said it would make sense for the Pats I was thinking more of a second round pick. Either way it would make no sense for the Steelers to trade him even for a first.
Jackson and Jeffrey to replace Branch and Ocho would be quite a change from what opposing D's are used to seeing, and they'd still have to contend with Welker, Gronk, and Hernz. I am very anxious to see what the Pats do at the WR position. Lots of possibilities. I suspect they won't go for Jackson because he can be a problem, and Jeffrey does have the usual bust potential of all highly drafted WR's. There are some good WR's that can be drafted later that present smaller risk. **
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Posted: 2/14/2012 12:03 PM
RE: Mike Wallace?
I always worry about guys being able to pick up the system. A lot of these diva, larger, speed recievers don't seem to have a very good football IQ. If they don't see the play/defense the correct way we get the Ochocinco effect.
The problem is recievers don't play the "Patriots way" in some other systems and don't play that way in college so they have no idea what they are getting into.
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Posted: 2/14/2012 1:07 PM
RE: Mike Wallace?
Oh - I agree completely TN. Giving up a 1st round pick (and I assume Pittsburgh is going to tender him at the 1st round number) is the opposite of a typical Patriots value move when you consider the talent that will be available.
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Posted: 2/14/2012 1:12 PM
RE: Mike Wallace?
The Patriots need a receiver that is a vertical threat everytime he is on the field. A player that the defense MUST respect. A player that Bready can just throw it up there and he can "go get the ball" and physical enough to be able to out muscle corners and safeties for the ball.
Adding another receiver who can run the intermediate routes as well as be a vertical threat to truly keep defenses off balanced is needed.
Seeing how Lloyd signed with Condon today that rules out him coming to New England. I like to idea of Wallace coming to New England. Much more than Reggie Wayne.
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Posted: 2/14/2012 2:48 PM
RE: Mike Wallace?
Vincent Jackson
Dwayne Bowe
DeSean Jackson (though I heard Philly is going to tag him)
Marques Colston
Stevie Johnson
Brandon Lloyd
Reggie Wayne
That is 7 probowl caliber WRs right there.
Mario Manningham
Robert Meachum
Braylon Edwards
Laurent Robinson
There is really zero reason to trade a 1st round pick for a WR when there is this much talent that is going to hit the open market. If the Patriots don't get one of them, it is because they don't see the value there or they worry about how some of those guys will respond when they don't get the ball enough. When Brady had Moss, how many times did he force the ball his way to keep him happy? You also have to keep in mind that with Wallace also comes a huge contract to him too. |
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Posted: 2/16/2012 9:06 PM
RE: Mike Wallace?
Reiss talked about this during his chat. He doesn't see any chance of this happening. The Pats would be buying at Wallace's peak value (which is the opposite of what they do), and then he touched on the double whammy we mentioned - have to give up a 1st round pick & give him a huge contract.
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Posted: 2/25/2012 11:43 AM
RE: Mike Wallace?
Wouldnt mind seeing them go after Colston. They run a great offense in NO and he has done very well in it. I would think picking up the Pats offense would be easier for him. Great hands, good speed, not a diva.
After that, maybe Bowe? I duont know. The rest I dont see the Pats going after.
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Posted: 2/25/2012 10:36 PM
Re: Mike Wallace?
stealthdog666 wrote: Why?
For the cost of Wallace, the Patriots could sign Vincent Jackson and also use the 1st round pick to draft Alshon Jeffery. FA is going to be flooded with talented WRs - so why trade a 1st rounder for one? If the Patriots wanted to make a big splash at WR, give a big contract to one of those guys in free agency and save the 1st round pick.
Imagine Jackson (6'5") and Jeffery (6'4") lining up on opposite sides. The Patriots have been on the receiving end of that kind of thing - it is a matchup nightmare. Not true.Jackson whether he deserves it or not will want at least as much money as Wallace will get. Why can't the Patriots use the other first round pick to draft Jeffery if he is still there. The first round picks that the Patriots have from the Saints and their own are close together. Wallace is the better receiver. I'd rather have Stevie Johnson if the Patriots don't get Wallace (which probably won't happen) although I hope it does. Chance favors the Prepared Mind. |
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Posted: 2/26/2012 9:26 AM
Re: Mike Wallace?
Of course Jackson is going to get more money than Wallace. He's a better player.
What would you rather have:
Wallace + Jeffery
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Johnson/Jackson/Wayne/Colston/Lloyd + Jeffery + Fletcher Cox/Mark Barron
I don't see the purpose or value of trading a 1st round pick for Wallace when there are just as good or better guys out there that won't cost a pick. You would be wasting a potential impact player on defense.
If the Patriots traded for Wallace, they would have to give up the Saints #1 pick. They don't get to chose which one - its the higher of the two.
If you really want Wallace, just wait a year. The Steelers won't be able to afford to give him a big contract.
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Posted: 2/27/2012 2:13 PM
Re: Mike Wallace?
Jackson is a better player than Wallace? No he isn't. Just because you are in love with his height doesn't make him a better player. And Wallace would be better lockerroom fit IMO.
However I would be happy with either. The way the Patriots have been successful (lack thereof) with the receivers they draft I would hope they would sign two receivers. Of course I doubt that happens.
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Posted: 2/27/2012 6:53 PM
Re: Mike Wallace?
I guess who's better is a matter of opinion. My opinion says Vincent Jackson is a better WR than Mike Wallace. That's not to say I necessarily want Jackson on my team. But I'm also not willing to spend a first round pick and a huge contract on Mike Wallace. He's not one of the top 10 WR's in the league.
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Posted: 2/27/2012 9:46 PM
Re: Mike Wallace?
I'm not in love with Jackson's height. I like that he is a game changing, play maker at WR. He is one of the top 5-6 WRs in the game. How he would be in the locker room is a good concern though.
I haven't seen who it is attributed to, but some in Pittsburgh have cautioned giving Wallace a big deal because the consider him a 1 trick pony. Not my words....just what is being reported.
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Posted: 3/1/2012 9:18 AM
Re: Mike Wallace?
Just saw on ESPN that the Steelers will tender, not franchise, Wallace. That means that he could be had for only a 1st rounder...
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Posted: 3/1/2012 10:07 AM
Re: Mike Wallace?
There are still too many other options to consider giving up a first rounder and a huge contract.
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Posted: 3/1/2012 3:40 PM
Re: Mike Wallace?
osubucks221979 wrote: Just saw on ESPN that the Steelers will tender, not franchise, Wallace. That means that he could be had for only a 1st rounder... And a big, fat contract. Call me naive, but I'm assuming any deal with him comes with a new contract or he sits out. He is not going to another team and only playing for the one year tender amount. |
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Posted: 3/2/2012 12:30 PM
Re: Mike Wallace?
No no Wallace will be getting a new contract if he signs with a team and if Pitt doesn't match they will get a first round pick. Then again the new team could negotiate with Pitt and get that down to a second round pick.
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Posted: 3/2/2012 2:54 PM
Re: Mike Wallace?
That is actually a really good point that I never even considered Morph. The assumption is Pittsburgh is not going to afford to give Wallace a big contract. And they couldn't afford to put the Franchise Tag on him. If it becomse inevitable that they will lose him, would they be willing to trade him for a 2nd round pick? At that point it becomes a much more interesting thought. Belichick has moved a 2nd round pick for a player (Welker). I think he would (should) seriously consider a 2nd for Wallace, assuming he doesn't mind having 2 WRs with big contracts.
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