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Posted: 1/23/2012 9:48 AM
The official Super Bowl XLVI thread - Giants vs. Patriots
Who will win Super Bowl XLVI
- Poll closed on 02/04/2012
- Giants: 18 votes
- Patriots: 16 votes
Chance favors the Prepared Mind.
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Posted: 1/23/2012 10:24 AM
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This is the game that I wanted. I know the 49ers are a good team and not as complete a team as the Giants (the difference is the Giants are a better offensive club.) But I like the pay back factor. And also how many times can the GIants beat the Patriots in a row? It stands at two and counting.
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Posted: 1/23/2012 10:31 AM
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This is the matchup I was rooting for as well. I think the Giants are a dangerous team however...this will be the 3rd time that Pats see them this season (including pre-season) and then there is a small revenge factor from Brady, Wilfork, Welker etc. for the 2007 Super Bowl.
This game could get ugly. Fast. I love it.
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Posted: 1/23/2012 10:43 AM
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The Giants D is playing absolutely lights out. Eli is playing decently and more consitently. I actually wonder if we'll be favored. The most positive thing that I can think of is the game film that we have on them beating us and BB being able to study it for 2 weeks.
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Posted: 1/23/2012 11:19 AM
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My early take..
1. The Giants do not have the personnel to cover our TE's like the Ravens did so Brady should bounce right back
2. Cruz scares me, we need to figure something out with him. I do not want him doing that stupid Salsa dance at the SB..LOL
3. Giants utilize their TE's very well. We have had trouble this year covering TE's.
4. We have lost 2 in a row to the Giants and can't remember the last time we lost 3 to the same team. I think we turn the table in 2 weeks
5. Giants running game is nothing compared to Ray Rice or the Broncos. It has been good as of late but it will be interesting to see how we scheme this matchup. When teams have had success on us it has been on the outside
6. One thing I noticed we are having trouble with is when an opposing QB takes the snap and rolls to the outside. Manning can do this well like Flacco did.
7. It won't happen but I wish Mcdaniel would take the reigns for the SB play calling. That crap that O'brien called with 7 minutes left against the Ravens was garbage and almost cost us the game. It is different if you have a big guy like Moss or Megatron where you make that pass, but put it where nobody else can get to it. Slater was in double coverage. I wouldn't have thrown that to Slater if he was in single coverage, there is a reason he is on ST's more than the offense
8. Billboard material: Brandon Jacobs will talk. Rolle will talk, etc. We should have a nice 2 week collection of smack talking to put on the billboard
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Posted: 1/23/2012 11:29 AM
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Seems both the Patriots and Giants were somewhat lucky to survive their respective conferenace championship games. Both W by close scores, too. the Giants are hot however, it is realistic to say so are the Patriots. Patriot D has really elevated their game. Brady was noticable off his game yet, they still won. Flacco was on his game but, divine intervention was on the side of New England, as evidenced by Moor's "theft" of a TD and the miffed FG in the end. I see both incidents as beyond luck, well beyond luck.
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Posted: 1/23/2012 11:34 AM
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"One thing I noticed we are having trouble with is when an opposing QB takes the snap and rolls to the outside. Manning can do this well like Flacco did."
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I agree, - it was no accident Flacco did that. It takes away the impact that "pressure up the middle" has, and gives both the qb & his receivers time "to make something happen." - That could easily be a problem late in a close game. Easier said than done, - but we need to keep Manning "in the pocket" while getting pressure at the same time. He has no trouble throwing it away, - which is just fine.
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Posted: 1/23/2012 11:52 AM
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Hunter07 wrote: "One thing I noticed we are having trouble with is when an opposing QB takes the snap and rolls to the outside. Manning can do this well like Flacco did."
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I agree, - it was no accident Flacco did that. It takes away the impact that "pressure up the middle" has, and gives both the qb & his receivers time "to make something happen." - That could easily be a problem late in a close game. Easier said than done, - but we need to keep Manning "in the pocket" while getting pressure at the same time. He has no trouble throwing it away, - which is just fine. Completely, we began the game by playing run and blitzing an LB right up the middle. That was very effective but Flaccos rollouts really started to hurt us and I felt like they did a good job keeping us off-balance throughout the game. That was a solid move by their OC and Flacco did a good job. For everything that we're hearing about Reed and their kicker, where were Suggs and Rice during any point of the game? I think our plan was to put the game in Flacco's hands and he frankly almost won it. I'm not sure what we're going to try and do with the Giants. I'm hoping that they see the weakness in our secondary and go for a fast-paced shootout type of game. |
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Posted: 1/23/2012 1:04 PM
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usernameNEP wrote: Seems both the Patriots and Giants were somewhat lucky to survive their respective conferenace championship games. Both W by close scores, too. the Giants are hot however, it is realistic to say so are the Patriots. Patriot D has really elevated their game. Brady was noticable off his game yet, they still won. Flacco was on his game but, divine intervention was on the side of New England, as evidenced by Moor's "theft" of a TD and the miffed FG in the end. I see both incidents as beyond luck, well beyond luck. When I saw that Flacco pass go into his hands, I actually felt the season end for a second before I saw that ball get knocked out. It was a horrible feeling and going from that to a missed field goal was a joy overload. |
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Posted: 1/23/2012 1:07 PM
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Morpheus11 wrote: This is the game that I wanted. I know the 49ers are a good team and not as complete a team as the Giants (the difference is the Giants are a better offensive club.) But I like the pay back factor. And also how many times can the GIants beat the Patriots in a row? It stands at two and counting. You may have got the better matchup against the Giants. Considering Gronko and Hernandez are the two main targets, along with Welker's short patterns, that feeds into the 49ers real well. Those linebackers are brutal and that may have been a matchup nightmare for the Pats. As a Giants fan, I'm glad there are two weeks off. I think my team has some very sore players. |
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Posted: 1/23/2012 1:37 PM
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There is a symmetry to the Pats-Giants SB. This team hasn't been the same since that loss in 2007. This year they're as close as they've been to having that toughness back they used to have.
In some of the stories I read after yesterday, it is very clear that the dedication of the season to MHK, and to RK as well really, is more than just words. This team is a family. If it comes down to the final 30 seconds again, they'll find a way for that reason if nothing else.
All that said, this is a very different offense than the one the Giants beat 4 years ago. Back then all the had to do was stop Moss and Welker, either directly or by getting to Brady - which they did. This year there are twice as many primary targets - Branch, Welker, TE Party. Any one can break a game open. Add in the "do everything guys" of Edelman, Faulk, and Woodhead. And then Law Firm has shown he can get 5 y/c in a post-season setting. And the OL is a nice mix of pro bowl veterans and huge young talents. Frankly, the biggest liability this offense has is the coordinator.
The D has been playing inspired and gets better every game. Give Sterling Moore two weeks to actually learn the game plan (turns out he had no idea what the defensive call was yesterday on those last two plays, he just lined up and played) and I think he can hang as a starter. That lets McCourty play S which is where he needs to be right now. The LB's are playing great. The DL is playing great. And BB seems to add new wrinkles every week - those pre-snap shifts yesterday worked well.
And topping it all off is that Brady played like poop against BAL. We all know what he does the game after a bad one.
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Posted: 1/23/2012 2:42 PM
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I dont know how our team is favorite in this game.Its gonna take a huge effort to beat the giants.Manning has gotten better and become brady's nemesis.There's gonna be alot of pressure on Brady to perform well after that bad performance in the second half.What bothers me the most about it is that he didnt even have pressure on him and he maded that stupid long throw.He has been throwing ints lately. 07 still hurts alot.Try living in new york and hearing all these giants fan.I cant listen to sports radio.This is a huge game to erase that painful loss.  |
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Posted: 1/23/2012 2:59 PM
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49'rs sacked Manning 6 times in that game. Granted, SF has good front 7 but lets face it. Vince and Co are at least equal and I would suggest a bit more explosive. The Pats will have to play a similar game against Da Giants as they did against the Ravens. Force Manning out of the pocket. Make him get rid of the ball. I still don't think Manning is anywhere near equal to some of the better QB's out there, especially when it comes to quick reads of receivers. He has his number one guy in sight quick enough but he doesn't seem to anticipate number two and three in relation to initial reads on defensive match-ups.
Da Giants run game can be controlled as well. And when you look at Tommy"Hot Wife"Terrific's fakes and hand offs in comparison to Manning's, well, there is no comparison. The thing Manning and Da Giants have going for them is their receivers are all pretty good and they know how to get open. Its going to be another tough day on the Pats D backfield.. |
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Posted: 1/23/2012 3:01 PM
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I think the media in general is tired of the Patriots success (Including the loacl media). They don't provide any headlines and there is no contoversy over who's going to have a job next year.
Every game the Patriots are favored and every game you hear about the underdog. What do they have to do to win, what is the key to the game for them, what is there story coming into this game. Even during the game the impartial announcers focus on what the opposition should be doing or are doing to disrupt the Pats. I almost need to watch the games muted.
It really irks me and hopefully the Pats will take this one and the next 2 Super Bowls just to spite the rest of the league and media.
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Posted: 1/23/2012 3:27 PM
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Victor Cruz is the guy that worries me.Nicks didnt play in that regular season game as well.He can make big plays.This secondary will have its hands full.I hope the d-line can get pressure on Manning.This offense has to do a better job in the red zone.Stop kicking fgs!!!
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Posted: 1/23/2012 3:54 PM
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I think Brady will have a MVP calibre SB. Watch out for Branch too - odds are the Giants will have their best defender on Welker and Branch is plenty capable of burning the #2 DB.
Be interesting to see if Ridley plays. They have two weeks to coach him up on ball security, but I'm guessing they'll roll with Law Firm.
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Posted: 1/23/2012 8:22 PM
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I agree, 56801, Giants will win easily. Not a blowout, but comfortably where we're not sweating out the final minutes. I just can't imagine the Patriots defense holding the Giants to 20 points or less. The Giants are so battle-tested, so hot and confident and now they go from a sloppy field to perfect conditions inside a dome.
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That passing game is going to LIGHT UP the Patriots like we've never seen. And that, in turn, will open the running game later in the game. The pass rushers will have excellent traction to get after Brady and harass him all game long.
I can't wait. I am truly not nervous one single bit.
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Posted: 1/23/2012 8:27 PM
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Hunter07 wrote: I agree, 56801, Giants will win easily. Not a blowout, but comfortably where we're not sweating out the final minutes. I just can't imagine the Patriots defense holding the Giants to 20 points or less. The Giants are so battle-tested, so hot and confident and now they go from a sloppy field to perfect conditions inside a dome.
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That passing game is going to LIGHT UP the Patriots like we've never seen. And that, in turn, will open the running game later in the game. The pass rushers will have excellent traction to get after Brady and harass him all game long.
I can't wait. I am truly not nervous one single bit.
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Posted: 1/23/2012 8:37 PM
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They're battle tested after that Gauntlet stretch they had. I seriously think they're going to win, but I am rooting for you guys.
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Posted: 1/23/2012 8:38 PM
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I don't think the Patriots have to keep the Giants under 20 points. I do think they need to keep them under 30. The Giants benefited from turnovers against Green Bay (4) and San Francisco (2). The Patriots turned it over 4 times earlier this year and still scored 20. If the Patriots don't turn the ball over, they score more than 20 points. There is going to be alot of offense in this game.
But it is nice to see the shoe on the other foot. Hopefully they become as disappointed as we were in 2007.
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Posted: 1/23/2012 8:40 PM
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The giants have been cocky since they won that first playoff game.They think they are world beaters.Try living in new york and hearing them on sports radio.The patriots offensive line will have to slow down their pass rushers.
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Posted: 1/23/2012 8:43 PM
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O'Brien's playcalling in the second half was bad.This guy needs to do a better job with the playcalling.I have been saying this for years.He can make this offense look predictable but then again it is predictable with the slot receiver and the tight ends.I am waiting for a guy like Branch to do a little more.
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Posted: 1/23/2012 8:47 PM
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stealthdog666 wrote: I don't think the Patriots have to keep the Giants under 20 points. I do think they need to keep them under 30. The Giants benefited from turnovers against Green Bay (4) and San Francisco (2). The Patriots turned it over 4 times earlier this year and still scored 20. If the Patriots don't turn the ball over, they score more than 20 points. There is going to be alot of offense in this game.
But it is nice to see the shoe on the other foot. Hopefully they become as disappointed as we were in 2007. I'm pretty happy that this is the prevailing view. The last 2 times, Eli was stoppable and we lost. Also, for what it's worth, we're not going to play these guys the same way that we did against the Ravens. We played to stop the run first, bit on almost all of the playactions, and allowed Flacco to beat us on deep plays...we didn't expect that he actually would consistently. I think we'll play back and let Eli drive down the field and try to stop him in the red zone. Our secondary stinks but they weren't playing pass until the very end of the game. It'll be hard and the above could be oversimplifying things but we're not going to have the same game plan. |
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Posted: 1/23/2012 8:53 PM
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I am sure the Manning family will be there supporting Eli.Brady has to have one of those games where he goes over 300 yards passing and throew 4 tds.The offensive execution has to be there.I hope they stick to the run more.I thought they gave up on it in the second half against baltimore. |
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Posted: 1/23/2012 8:56 PM
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dominicanthug wrote: The giants have been cocky since they won that first playoff game.They think they are world beaters.Try living in new york and hearing them on sports radio.The patriots offensive line will have to slow down their pass rushers. I do live in New York...I've listened to it every day for the past 4 years. And I'm 10 mins from their training camp at UAlbany-SUNY. I use to go to their sessions but after they won the SB they were so full of themselves I stopped. They've been training here for the past 15 years. I caught a break last summer because of the lockout. All I'm gonna hear about is 2007 for the next two weeks. The Time Has Come... It's Now Or Never!
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Posted: 1/23/2012 9:23 PM
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Posted: 1/23/2012 10:09 PM
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Speaking of slowing down DLs did anyone hear a peep about Suggs or Ngata? Brady with protection and motivation is deadly.
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Posted: 1/23/2012 10:16 PM
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Hey guys - a Giants fan here - I come in peace. So it's a rematch for our teams.
We are not over-confident. You guys can beat us. I hope it's a good game with no serious injuries.
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Posted: 1/23/2012 11:27 PM
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If Vollmer is back that changes the OL situation quite a bit. Mankins, Seabass, Solder is a pretty daunting trio to deal with. Waters is playing awesome on top of that. If Brady gets time to throw, it won't be pretty. I'm sure Dante will stress that if they win the battle on the line, they probably win the game.
And if they decide to commit to the run, they have Law Firm and Woody to get the yards. Compare that to 4 years ago when Maroney was the primary RB. Plus they have a big ole FB to run behind on top of that.
And I still expect Brady to have a monster game - he got the stinker out of the way yesterday. I also expect Faulk and Ocho to contribute in some way - maybe just pass-pro and downfield blocking - but BB will want the most experienced players on the field.
If they can settle on a starting secondary of Chung/McCourty at safety, and Arrington/Moore at corner, I think they'll be OK. These guys aren't world-beaters, but they all have good ball skills and know how to jump a route. They may need to gamble to get the INT's, but that may be the way to win this thing.
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Posted: 1/24/2012 7:41 AM
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The single most important thing the Pats will need to do in the game is to slow down the Giants pass rush. The last two times they have played them they have not been able to figure out a way to stop it. They have to come up with something.
Think back to the SB against the Panthers. Everyone was talking about how the Panthers great DLine would dominate the Pats UDFA-laden OLine. Then when the game was played the Pats used a lot of quick little bootleg type drop backs for Brady to move the pocket around and direct the blocking away from it. The Panthers DLine was a non factor. Now I'm not saying they necessarily need to use that same specific tactic, but it would be great if they can come up with something different that they haven't shown to them before and not keep using the same game plan. They have got to find a way to keep them off balance so they can't just pin their ears back and rush Brady every play.
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Posted: 1/24/2012 8:50 AM
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dokgonzo wrote: also expect Faulk and Ocho to contribute in some way - maybe just pass-pro and downfield blocking - but BB will want the most experienced players on the field.
Comcast reported yesterday that insiders say Ocho has played his last game as a Pat and he will be a healthy scratch more than likely for the SB. I thought he was out Sunday due to his fathers death, but apparently he was back and a healthy scratch |
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Posted: 1/24/2012 8:55 AM
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Screens, roll outs, direct snaps to Faulk or Woody quick passes and a decent running game can keep the Giants D line in check. We do need to see something different.
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Posted: 1/24/2012 9:11 AM
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Best thing that can happen between now and the game is the media and exuberant giants fans keep pulling a Rexy Ryan and claim the game is in the bag. It will take the focus of the Pats and hopefully give a little motivation.
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Posted: 1/24/2012 10:00 AM
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As for Tom Brady, I think he has enough motivation going into this game. Losing a close game in week 9 to the Giants. Playing like crap in the AFCCG and of course losing the Big One. As we all know a win in that SB would have given them a 19-0 undefeated season, 4 SB wins in 7 years and probably would have put the NWE Patriots into the history books as the Best Team Ever in the Super Bowl era.
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Posted: 1/24/2012 10:21 AM
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Buzz kill for a lot of Giants fans. I wonder if the Patriots organization does the same thing? LinkThe Time Has Come... It's Now Or Never! |
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Posted: 1/24/2012 1:14 PM
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I think there is enormous pressure on brady here.They have loss the last 2 games against the giants.He is 0-1 against Eli in the superbowl.It seems like pressure never seems to bother Eli.Brady needs more time to throw the football.
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Posted: 1/24/2012 1:19 PM
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Since he missed the final walk-through I figured that's why he was a scratch. I'd still rather have him than Underwood out there.
But you may be right. He doesn't mention the SB once in his Twittah timeline. I figured he'd at least say something about going to the SB.
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Posted: 1/24/2012 1:33 PM
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I agree with u dok.He can be a decoy out there.
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Posted: 1/25/2012 12:01 AM
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According to a couple of Giants special teams players, their unit targeted San Francisco 49ers punt returner Kyle Williams for big hits because he had a history of concussions, New York Magazine reported. The hope was to knock him out of the game.
After the game Jacquian Williams, who forced the fumble in overtime that led to the winning field goal, told reporters, “The thing is, we knew he had four concussions, so that was our biggest thing, was to take him out of the game.”
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Posted: 1/25/2012 12:24 AM
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Geezuz ... his last concussion was on Dec 24th ... why the hell was he even on the field?
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