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Official game 8 thread: Giants vs Patriots
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Posted: 10/31/2011 2:44 PM
Official game 8 thread: Giants vs Patriots
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No duplicate threads. The Rocks says that THIS is the official game thread. All game related material or comments belong heayah.
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Posted: 10/31/2011 4:14 PM
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I wonder wat will be the over and under when it comes to Eli Manning's passing attempts in this game?Hmmm  |
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Posted: 10/31/2011 7:16 PM
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From what I read today it was pretty much silent during film review of the Steelers game. Nothing needed to be said.
You never know with this team - I don't think they've played anywhere close to their potential yet on D. They played like crap against the Browns last year and went on a tear after that. All it takes is Albert to wake up or McCourty to get back to his old form ... or someone else to step up ... and they could be decent. Still not as good as the Harrison/Bruschi/WillieMac era - but at least they'd be in the top quarter of the league.
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Posted: 10/31/2011 7:25 PM
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Well, - it is November now, ... time to show who they really are. - The window for developing anything is closing.
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Posted: 10/31/2011 7:42 PM
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dokgonzo wrote: From what I read today it was pretty much silent during film review of the Steelers game. Nothing needed to be said.
You never know with this team - I don't think they've played anywhere close to their potential yet on D. They played like crap against the Browns last year and went on a tear after that. All it takes is Albert to wake up or McCourty to get back to his old form ... or someone else to step up ... and they could be decent. Still not as good as the Harrison/Bruschi/WillieMac era - but at least they'd be in the top quarter of the league. Yeah, it would have been nice to build on last years defense. Instead we scrapped it and started all over. I get the feeling that BB would rather put inferior talent on the field than someone whos not playing to their maximum potential.
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Posted: 11/1/2011 10:06 AM
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dokgonzo wrote: From what I read today it was pretty much silent during film review of the Steelers game. Nothing needed to be said.
You never know with this team - I don't think they've played anywhere close to their potential yet on D. They played like crap against the Browns last year and went on a tear after that. All it takes is Albert to wake up or McCourty to get back to his old form ... or someone else to step up ... and they could be decent. Still not as good as the Harrison/Bruschi/WillieMac era - but at least they'd be in the top quarter of the league. You really don't think they have played anywhere close to their potential on D? I have to ask this question then. Where do you think their potential is? I mean, they are so bad, it can't get worse and can only go up from here right? But where is this potential? The LB's are slow and can't play zone, the CB's are clueless save McCourty on occasion and they have no playmakers. Their D stud guy is a NT in a pass happy league and he probably leads team in INT's. Andre Carter is also having a great season. Haynesworth has showed he is not showing up. Mayo is a tackler, nothing more, nothing less and McCourty, when he is looking for the ball, is decent at best and Chung is ok. They need at least 7 new players on D. 2-3 LB's, 1 Def. Lineman , 2-3 CB's and 1Safety.
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Posted: 11/1/2011 10:59 AM
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I think some of the secondary issues are fixable. The zone coverage was being played by 4 of the 5 cover guys all game against PIT. The 4th or 5th guy every snap decided to play man to man coverage leaving 1 zone empty. That is coachable.
The DL is playing better, pressure is being generated, unfortunately Big Ben is not the type to rattle easily, Eli is.
The offense goes as Brady goes. Run the ball more with BJGE/Ridley to open things up for the passing game.
Finally it seems that luck is playing into this season a lot. Count up Brady's INT's and see which ones were tipped or touched and fell into defenders hands. Count up how many non-calls the Pats have gotten because a ref wasn't lucky enough to catch them.
If both sides of the ball execute and follow direction it should be a no brainer. Unfortunately it only takes one guy not knowing what he's doing to ruin the whole thing.
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Posted: 11/1/2011 11:39 AM
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3rdngoal wrote: I think some of the secondary issues are fixable. The zone coverage was being played by 4 of the 5 cover guys all game against PIT. The 4th or 5th guy every snap decided to play man to man coverage leaving 1 zone empty. That is coachable.
The DL is playing better, pressure is being generated, unfortunately Big Ben is not the type to rattle easily, Eli is.
The offense goes as Brady goes. Run the ball more with BJGE/Ridley to open things up for the passing game.
Finally it seems that luck is playing into this season a lot. Count up Brady's INT's and see which ones were tipped or touched and fell into defenders hands. Count up how many non-calls the Pats have gotten because a ref wasn't lucky enough to catch them.
If both sides of the ball execute and follow direction it should be a no brainer. Unfortunately it only takes one guy not knowing what he's doing to ruin the whole thing. Lots of new players...time obviously is needed. It's a marathon. We need them to stay in contention and get hot when it counts. Anyone saying they won't? There is no way! (S) ...sarcasm
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Posted: 11/1/2011 12:45 PM
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From this morning's press conf:
RapSheet: Patriots offensive coordinator Bill O'Brien on Taylor Price: "We need to get him in there more." Wow. "You'll see that on Sunday."
About freakin' time.
Now, what's curious is that they feel the need to get Price involved, not Ocho.
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Posted: 11/1/2011 1:12 PM
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Note to Morph... Could you send OB a free membership here so he could get these ideas quicker! |
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Posted: 11/1/2011 2:19 PM
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O'Brien worries me as a guy who seem cant make adjustments during the game.The steelers where so physical in that game.They played alot of man coverage and got their hands on the wrs.Wrs couldnt shake off the DBs.
I hope Price sees more action.I am surprise they havent cut Ochochinco.
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Posted: 11/1/2011 2:31 PM
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How about a victory for the defense and trying to hold Eli Manning under 300 yards passing.Cant afford another slow start by this offense.The offense has to execute to take less pressure off this awful defense!
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Posted: 11/1/2011 3:09 PM
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Eli's comming !!
New Englands Belicheck built, vaunted secondary to be tested again and again and again. Hey Bill why not cut loose another player back there???
Are we about to see the making of the Patriots first loosing streek since 199?????
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Posted: 11/1/2011 3:42 PM
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They better be prepared for a repeat of how the Steelers played them. Until the Pats prove they can stop the pass and can throw to more than 3 guys, they're going to get a steady diet of last weekend thrown at 'em. Well, at least by good teams.
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Posted: 11/2/2011 8:42 AM
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Guarantee:
G-Men will use last weeks Steeler model and, toss it +50 times shredding a secondary with journeyman skills and thats on a good day.
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Posted: 11/2/2011 12:51 PM
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This will be a shootout, Eli is playing great and Victor Cruz has emerged as a star, on the other side you guys have three amazing threats in the passing game with Welker, Hernandez and Gronkowski. One thing is for sure both secondaries will be very busy. Hopefully my Gmen will put enough pressure on Brady to force some INT`s or get some sacks.
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Posted: 11/2/2011 1:28 PM
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Giants Dline vs Pats Oline who wins? Giants lead the league in sacks. Welker, Hernandez and Gronkowski vs Giants banged up secondary who wins? If the Giants can put pressure on Brady this one will be close. It should be a good game. |
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Posted: 11/2/2011 1:49 PM
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Edelman was at practice today. Fletcher and Welker were not.
Anyone have any idea what the deal is with Fletcher? There's like zero info anywhere other than he ain't at practice.
Brady's remarks today:
“We’re all pretty much in a bad mood. There is a mourning process that goes on with our team, our coaches, players. We hate losing. It’s not something we’ll ever get used to. It sucks. The whole week sucks, actually. You just have to go out there and erase that memory with a good win and good days of practice. Once you get into the preparation of the week, you end up moving on to the week coming up.”
Meanwhile, Hines Ward more or less said that he didn't play Sunday because the Pats secondary was so bad that "there was no need for me to try to force it and go." I hope BB clipped that out and put it on the mantle.
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Posted: 11/2/2011 2:51 PM
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I wouldn't be surprised if the offense is clicking on all cylinders again this week and lights the G-men up. These guys usually get mad and take it out on the next opponent. The only thing missing is for a G-men DB to say he can cover Welker one on one and shut him down...then Welker and Brady will make him pay. :)
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Posted: 11/2/2011 5:42 PM
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Hunter07 wrote: Well, - it is November now, ... time to show who they really are. - The window for developing anything is closing. BB's famous for saying Thanksgiving on as I'm sure you know Hunter. Will they still be giving up way too much or have thanks for finally getting it on O & D down the stretch? Time will tell. It's nice to have a team with a lot of potential as infuriating and frustrating it is to watch at times. I'll join the bash BB brigade if there is no improvement in those early December games and onward! |
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Posted: 11/2/2011 5:42 PM
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Tweet from Ocho today:
I can't critique a QB, i'm not even playing WR the right way RT @sndjabbari: @ochocinco ok so what do you think of Tebow as an NFL QB
I'd laugh but it's starting approach being kind of sad.
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Posted: 11/2/2011 7:57 PM
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Kurt Warners weekly QB list. #1 Big Ben #2 Eli #3 Vick #4 Brady #5 Cam |
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Posted: 11/2/2011 8:24 PM
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fletcher out against steelersby site staff of patriotsinsider.com, october 29, 2011 at 3:38 pm etdane fletcher profilelb dane fletcher miss practice again, likely due to the thumb injury he sustained several weeks ago. fletcher was ruled out of the game against pittsburgh this sunday. for the year fletcher has recorded just 10 tackles on the year. in his rookie season (last year), fletcher recorded 23 total tackles two passes defensed and an interception.
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posted by monique walker, globe staff november 2, 2011 04:15 pm
foxborough -- wes welker did not practice today because of a neck injury. dane fletcher continues to be bothered by a thumb injury and also did not practice. dl albert haynesworth, who has been on the report with a back injury, is not listed.
the following players were limited:
s josh barrett (thumb)
dl shaun ellis (ribs)
rb kevin faulk (knee)
rb benjarvus green-ellis (toe)
te aaron hernandez (knee)
lb jerod mayo (knee)
ol sebastian vollmer (back)
New York Giants
T Stacy Andrews (back), DNP
C David Baas (knee), DNP
RB Ahmad Bradshaw (foot), DNP
WR Mario Manningham (illness) DNP
WR Hakeem Nicks (hamstring) DNP
DE Osi Umenyiora (knee/shoulder) DNP CB Prince Amukamara (foot), Limited
FB Henry Hynoski (neck), Limited
DE Justin Tuck (groin/neck), Limited LB Michael Boley (knee) Full |
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Posted: 11/2/2011 9:26 PM
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Giants are banged up kinda bad.
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Posted: 11/3/2011 7:21 AM
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Posted: 11/3/2011 7:30 AM
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Young Eli is now a mature QB, playing in a tough division. The G-Men are 5-2 respectable(sp) for a NFC East Team.
>IF< New England continues to leave the middle open and allows too many 3 and conversions, it will make for a long day come Sunday.
Personally, I hope not.
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Posted: 11/3/2011 10:05 AM
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usernameNEP wrote:
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Posted: 11/3/2011 11:27 AM
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Posted: 11/3/2011 1:46 PM
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Welkah was back at practice today. Apparently it was a neck injury, likely form the Polamalu facemask (which went uncalled).
Fletchah still out, only player missing. This is weird - he hasn't updated his twittah since 23.Oct either. He just seems to have vanished.
The good thing about Sunday's debacle in Pitt is it's bringing the D together. Vince is sticking up for the secondary, saying things like if the QB can complete 20-yard passes that's enough time for the front-7 to get to the QB.
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Posted: 11/3/2011 4:26 PM
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We got hit hard before the season started and it has carried over. We lost yet another CB last week for the season. So we are barely floating. Not sure if we will win this game, but thank god it's this year's version of the the Pats vs prior years where both sides of the ball were flat out sick! Once again, the defense will need to step up. If not, then Eli will need to put the whole team on his back yet again. dokgonzo wrote: Giants are banged up kinda bad. |
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Posted: 11/3/2011 7:56 PM
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Heh ... Ocho at least maintaining a sense of humor on Twittah:
@ochocinco: Well at this rate yo ass gone be single RT @EvelynLozada: @ochocinco Sidebar - The wedding is off until you score a touch down! #RealTalk
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Posted: 11/4/2011 7:51 AM
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Vinny.......God Bless You ! "I'll take the Giants and the 7.5 points. That should be easy money" Well, Ok then. Have the beads and bible out on the tv stand for this one. Why do I say that, you ask? Unless I missed something this week, the same secondary will play and you know what? They stink! Manning 's first look will be rite over the middle. I wanna believe this Sunday.......................  |
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Posted: 11/4/2011 7:55 AM
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dokgonzo wrote: Funny ... http://lolpats.tumblr.com/post/12281959308/have-yo u-seen-me
 Commander..Time to call Randy???? Whats this?? Ocho gettting a free ride this year from King Belicheck?? |
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Posted: 11/4/2011 1:04 PM
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Missing from practicer were LB Dane Fletcher (thumb) and OL Donald Thomas (wife popped out a critter).
There's about a 50-50 chance that Ron Brace will be activated before Sunday.
Ocho is suddenly very active on Twittah. Could be he expects to actually catch a pass on Sunday. Or it could be he's just amusing himself while he rides the pine.
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Posted: 11/4/2011 3:57 PM
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3rdngoal wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if the offense is clicking on all cylinders again this week and lights the G-men up. These guys usually get mad and take it out on the next opponent. The only thing missing is for a G-men DB to say he can cover Welker one on one and shut him down...then Welker and Brady will make him pay. :) Giants' DB Calls Out Welker  Why is he so tough to cover? It’s a good question – just not one for Giants safety Antrel Rolle. “I don’t know,” Rolle said. “You’ve got to ask those guys he’s giving trouble to,” Rolle said. I don’t plan on having to answer to those questions.” Good News for Wes"I'm feeling good. I'm just looking forward to this weekend," Welker said Friday. "I think any time you play in a game in the National Football League, you're going to have your bumps and bruises. Some things take an extra day -- some take longer, some take less. You have to monitor it and move on."
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Posted: 11/4/2011 4:35 PM
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And the league decided *not* to fine Polamalu for the facemask that injured Wes. You know, this one:  |
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Posted: 11/4/2011 5:01 PM
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If the official didn't see it, - THAT should be clear enough for the NFL front office. What's he have to do, - shoot him at the line???
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Posted: 11/4/2011 5:07 PM
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"I really want to pick the Giants, I really do. I feel like they will play well in this game. - Its sort of the same feeling that I had for the Giants-Eagles game in Week 3. But.....I just don't feel it enough. I think it's a good game, close game, but New England wins it ultimately. I just don't trust the Giants defense enough."
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From the Giants board, ... kinda sounds like a "touchy - feely kind of guy." - Not to mention a Giants fan that doesn't trust their defense, ... enough.
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Posted: 11/4/2011 7:00 PM
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Well, in all fairness, the facemask is all Welker's fault. It wouldn't have happened at all had he been taller. And if he was a little more motivated and signed a major endorsement deal, the ref's would have called the penalty.
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Posted: 11/4/2011 7:57 PM
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Score, Steve was made the highest paid DC in Football by the Giants after one year, his troubles with the Rams are many. It might just be a case of inexperience or bad drafting or bad luck, but the Rams have not improved to a satisfactory level while he has been the Head Coach. Both Coughlin and Belichick have been in the game for quite some time. What the Pats bring is an ability to force lesser coached teams into making bad choices. I see it time and time again, when pressure forces opponents to go away from their strenghts and play into the hands of Belichick, who like no other coach understands momentum. Watching Coughlin this year has been a joy. Going for two points against the Cardinals, even last week forgoing the FG attempt, there are many examples of understanding the game situations, that Tom has also distanced himself from his peers. During the game, it will be interesting to see not only the player match-ups, but how both Coaches dictate the flow of the game. If Belichick decides to hurry up the Offense, how the Giants react, do they come out with five and six DBacks, do they attack the Pats deep or play short ball, something the Steelers had success with, even the coin flip offers choices...if the Giants win the toss, I wouldn't be surprised if the defer, to try and get the Defense motivated. . Credit: Giants Scout Board, ... |
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